Popular Post stawns Posted February 18, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted February 18, 2020 18 minutes ago, IBatch said: True. I'm upset - because I was under the impression we weren't going to mortgage the future for now, JBs said that enough lately for this to come out of left field a bit - BUT he's also said he's like to add another top six forward so get the deal too. I think the deal was fair - Toffoli as a rental is worth taking Schaller a 2, a prospect that's like a decent first round pick already developing, and maybe a 4th. Other teams would have paid that too. He also plugged a team weakness- with BB and Leivo out are already thin R side was pretty bad. And with the team in a rut right now it really comes down to how good Toffoli is for us down the stretch. To me it's a fair deal if we make it he playoffs. Maybe a good deal if he re-signs (assuming we can dump LE otherwise not a chance) at a decent price (say 5 x 4). Madden was probably never going to play in Vancouver. Petey Horvat Gaudette Beagle Jasek He'd have to overcome all those players to even be considered. Move to the wing? Miller Jake Boes Mac Podz Hog Lind Not likely there either. It's time to start being a playoff teams. Though I didn't think he'd give up a young guy, this is a good time for that trade. By getting TT, he gets a winger for Bo, a guy who has proven chemistry with TP, he eliminates a Canuck killer and he prevents any rival from upgrading their top 6 without over paying. 3 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odjick29willkillyou Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 13 hours ago, -AJ- said: Honestly a lot to pay, but where was Madden going to play on our team? EP Horvat Gaudette Madden? I think we'd need a Sutter/Beagle type here, not a 150lb skill player. Agree completely with this as our top 3C are young and should be here for a long time. Madden is NOT going to be a bottom 6C. Also, there was the potential for him to not sign once his college career is over. That is a lot to risk for someone who may not even decide to stay here. Also, I was thinking last night about Boeser and his injury issues combined with murmurs of him going back home to Minny. If TT can replace his scoring and we can do a "hockey trade" ala Johansen for Jones, why would we not do that for Dumba if he is available? Fills a top-2 D need long term with a like cap hit. I love Boes, but his injury issues are starting to concern me. I could see that happening at the draft. Just my thoughts. And I am going to see Boes' family at this weekend's hockey tourney in Minnesota so I do not have it out for him as some may think lol. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darius Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 (edited) There is a lot of risk here. There are several scenarios where they lose this trade - one of them is no playoffs and Toffoli walks. The trade looks fair if they make it in and Toffoli ends up signing here. The question I have is if BB doesnt go down for a significant period of time (as it looks like he will) do they make this trade? With a healthy top 6 they could have used those assets to shore up the bottom pair on D or to add some much needed toughness. Edited February 18, 2020 by Darius Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post tas Posted February 18, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted February 18, 2020 3 hours ago, GhostsOf1994 said: With the acquisition of Toffoli, a forward i think there may already be an addition or two on D. 1) Tryamkin back. 2) a hockey trade, goldy/baer for a RHD upgrade, maybe Stecher added to the package. Stecher + Baertschi + Goldobin For Severson( 25% retained) Wood Miller Pettersson Boeser Pearson Horvat Toffoli Roussell Gaudette Virtanen Wood Beagle Sutter Ferland Motte Eriksson and Leivo Edler Myers Hughes Tanev Tryamkin Severson Fantenberg Benn Spl00000sh! how are you going to turn liabilities that you haven't been able to give away for free all year into an upgrade at the league's most valuable position? 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aqua59 Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 5 minutes ago, Darius said: There is a lot of risk here. There are several scenarios where they lose this trade - one of them is no playoffs and Toffoli walks. The trade looks fair if they make it in and Toffoli ends up signing here. The question I have is if BB doesnt go down for a significant period of time (as it looks like he will) do they make this trade? With a healthy top 6 they could have used those assets to shore up the bottom 6 on D or to add some much needed toughness. First off there's always risk , ,always. You don't' use premium assets to shore up your bottom 6. Bottom 6 players are relativity cheap if you don't over pay as JB seemingly has for our current bottom 6. So getting away from over paying is probably the best part of this trade. Tyler Madden hasn't played a second with the big boys and doubtfully would crack the position he plays. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mpt Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 I just hope Toffoli is as good as he used to be 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darius Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 (edited) 11 minutes ago, aqua59 said: First off there's always risk , ,always. You don't' use premium assets to shore up your bottom 6. Bottom 6 players are relativity cheap if you don't over pay as JB seemingly has for our current bottom 6. So getting away from over paying is probably the best part of this trade. Tyler Madden hasn't played a second with the big boys and doubtfully would crack the position he plays. I meant to write bottom pair on D. Could any of those assets have been used to improve the D or the toughness ( maybe a versatile tough winger) on the team... I think if BB was healthy they would have filled other holes. Edited February 18, 2020 by Darius 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 10 hours ago, Darkstar said: The Canucks could trade Quinn Hughes for Kreider and there would be some posters excited about the deal lol. I really hate the Kings. They have an insane prospect pool, and it's going to be scary playing against them in the next couple of years. Wait what? Like...who? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 7 minutes ago, Darius said: There is a lot of risk here. There are several scenarios where they lose this trade - one of them is no playoffs and Toffoli walks. The trade looks fair if they make it in and Toffoli ends up signing here. The question I have is if BB doesnt go down for a significant period of time (as it looks like he will) do they make this trade? With a healthy top 6 they could have used those assets to shore up the bottom 6 on D or to add some much needed toughness. What's the risk? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sassbs Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 3 minutes ago, mpt said: I just hope Toffoli is as good as he used to be He’s not as good as he use to be..... he’s better! 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 Just now, stawns said: What's the risk? We don’t have Madden and a second to use to get help at the 2021 TDL. That’s the only risk here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RakuRaku Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 48 minutes ago, Phat Fingers said: All good points, and the nucks just shut Ferland down for the season... he may never play again. Eriksson is going to retire... you don't want to be the guy that derails a franchise on the rise. Added to that, he has most of his cash. I don't see a home for him anywhere in the NHL at that cap hit without the nucks losing one of our top 5 prospects. He will go thru waivers and then play in the AHL for the next 2 years. Ala Gagner and Baer. Lots of guys can be dealt in the off season on the last year of their deals. Sutter, Beagle, Benn... Rousell would be an easy player to deal, if Mikey is ready to be a backup, Demko could be moved, but not likely. We have a boon of young promising D men coming into the system. So depth isn't an issue on defence in the short term. So I don't see Tanev back. Stecher could stay and Tryamkin could take a top 4 spot. If JB can upgrade on Stecher, then so be it. If we go on a decent playoff run, anyone of these guys could become an in demand guy if they have a good playoffs. Looking at the trio if Beagle, Sutter and Eriksson, all.be co winners of the Conn Smythe!!! Then trade them all! I hope you're right about Eriksson but.... common sense tells me that $6M is too much to forgo to keep his price!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darius Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 Just now, stawns said: What's the risk? There are many scenarios where this backfires examples No playoffs, Toffoli walks First round loss, Toffoli walks Playoffs, Toffoli stays for inflated price.. Madden turns out to be a cheap top 6 player for his first 3 years etc etc etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 Just now, sassbs said: He’s not as good as he use to be..... he’s better! After sleeping (does passing out count as sleeping?) on the idea of this trade, I like the move. We have a very deep prospect pool, and can afford to use some to help now. Basically we’re rich. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingofsurrey Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 7 hours ago, DownUndaCanuck said: This shows you can add scraps together for a top line player. 2nd round pick, Madden and Schaller are all going to get nowhere, Toffoli is a 1st liner for another 3 years. Too bad we only have him for 20 games then......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riffraff Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 Lol at proposals involving Baer and stecher at this time of year. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Darius said: There are many scenarios where this backfires examples No playoffs, Toffoli walks First round loss, Toffoli walks Playoffs, Toffoli stays for inflated price.. Madden turns out to be a cheap top 6 player for his first 3 years etc etc etc Even if they miss the playoffs, the risk is very minimal, imo. A b prospect who was behind a glut of young cmen and probably 3 years away and a 2nd who will probably never play an NHL game. Edited February 18, 2020 by stawns 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 1 minute ago, stawns said: Even if they miss the playoffs, the risk is very minimal, imo. A b prospect who was behind a glut of young cmen and probably 3 years away and a 2nd who will probably never play an NHL game. We traded from a position of strength. It’s a good move. Bess was shut down; we replaced him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darius Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 (edited) 7 minutes ago, stawns said: Even if they miss the playoffs, the risk is very minimal, imo. A b prospect who was behind a glut of young cmen and probably 3 years away and a 2nd who will probably never play an NHL game. Dont get me wrong, i am glad they are doing what they can to take a leap into the playoffs, Im j questioning the use of the assets considering that the return is a UFA. I get it that Madden may have not worked out here, but he is a highly touted prospect - one of the best players in the NCAA...in my mind im thinking could they have used that prospect (in combo with the pick) to get a young rugged winger under contract or to have bolstered the D (holes on this team that are just as big ) Toffoli is a fantastic player - a real play driver and legit top 6. I just hope this doesnt come back to bite us in very short order. Edited February 18, 2020 by Darius Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForsbergTheGreat Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 2 minutes ago, Darius said: There is a lot of risk here. There are several scenarios where they lose this trade - one of them is no playoffs and Toffoli walks. The trade looks fair if they make it in and Toffoli ends up signing here. The question I have is if BB doesnt go down for a significant period of time (as it looks like he will) do they make this trade? With a healthy top 6 they could have used those assets to shore up the bottom 6 on D or to add some much needed toughness. Yep there is a ton of risk on the move. We all know that JB values playoffs hockey for the young cores development and he's willing to bet some futures on hoping to achieve that. He values this development at the same cost that contending teams value getting that piece to put them over the top for a playoff round. Whether this is a smart investment or not is another debate. If things go south and we miss playoffs, it could turn very ugly. We could essentially be not picking till the 80's at the 2020 draft and have no playoff growth to show for it. That's not a good look for a team who hasn't made the playoffs since 2015. If things go well, players like Petey, Hughes, Jake and Bo learn to see what it take to be successful in the playoffs 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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