Can the Canucks afford to let Chris Tanev walk away?

[Grape]

15 hours ago, theo5789 said:

Artemi Panarin +36 last season almost matching Tanev's career number, defensive specialist forward. So good defensively that he averaged a whole second of PK ice time per game this past season!

Lol I like how canuktravella “thanked” your post not realizing you were clearly being sarcastic. Clueless.

[Oregon.Duck]

Man seeing Tanman in the exhibition games, I don't think we can.

[Chris12345]

18 hours ago, Junkyard Dog said:

If Tanev walks and no there's no replacement than we won't be as good next year. Can't expect young guys to play at or above his level as rookies.

 

IDK about you guys but I don't want Leafs-like D. Need a good overall team.

I believe you build a team from the goal and you build out.

 

Sure TT is good but d takes priority. If you can't get the puck to the forwards I don't care who's upfront. 

 

I am not saying Tanev is necessarily the guy but to your point you need a replacement.  

[Junkyard Dog]

2 hours ago, Chris12345 said:

I believe you build a team from the goal and you build out.

 

Sure TT is good but d takes priority. If you can't get the puck to the forwards I don't care who's upfront. 

 

I am not saying Tanev is necessarily the guy but to your point you need a replacement.  

And we had a pretty bad 3rd pair all year and a lot of us were talking about wanting to seek upgrades there. Covid happened and we can't do that and now some people want to rely on a rookie to replace Tanev as if that's a safe bet? We aren't in a full rebuild. We're trying to take that next step. We need to ice a good team to do that.

 

People also seem to forget that when we have a good team we set a high bar for young players to make. If you get rid of Tanev without replacing him you're lowering the bar for rookie defenseman.

 

Praying that Loui retires and we can re-sign everyone but what I see happening is us moving out picks to shed some contracts and clear cap. I feel JB is comfortable enough with our prospect group to do that and I feel he wants Toffoli, Tanev and Marky back next year. It would suck but it might be necessary to be the best we can be next year. JB could land another rookie FA like Stecher/Mac/Rafferty(possible) that could help offset the loss of picks but nothing is guaranteed.

 

Covid's definitely throwing a wrench in our plans but that's the new environment for everybody.

Edited July 21, 2020 by Junkyard Dog

[fanfor42]

TT and Tanev and Marky will all be re - signed. Maybe less term and less $ than pre covid might have been necessary.

 

Some combo leaving of Sutter Benn Eriksson Stecher Roussel Beagle or -  Virtanen or a pick will pay for it

Have faith. It will happen. 

 

We're close Benning knows it. 

 

 

 

 

[King Heffy]

3 hours ago, fanfor42 said:

TT and Tanev and Marky will all be re - signed. Maybe less term and less $ than pre covid might have been necessary.

 

Some combo leaving of Sutter Benn Eriksson Stecher Roussel Beagle or -  Virtanen or a pick will pay for it

Have faith. It will happen. 

 

We're close Benning knows it. 

 

 

 

 

That's what I'm hoping for.  The Benning haters will have a field day if he has to get rid of a first to get under, but I think it will make the team better.

[canuktravella]

11 hours ago, Grape said:

I don’t “love” Tanev any more than other Canucks. He’s just a regular player to me. You’re just underselling him so significantly it’s laughable.

ya well we are in a cap crunch hes   ok dman il give u that but hes no allstar   he was here since 2011 and we havent done anything since the final loss to bruins   thanks to gillis bad drafting   finally we have prospects im excited to see wat happens i just dont see tanev getting 6mill in van   id rather  pay 11 mill for blues captain alex but  we have  to many crappy 4th liners  ( eriksson sutter  roussel beagle) making 16.5 mill combined 

[HorvatToBaertschi]

At the end of the day, no matter what anybody thinks, signing Tanev to a long term deal is extremely risky. The guy has been the definition of injury-prone. He's been more injury prone than Sami "IR" Salo. Guy's a warrior, but we need to start looking for replacements, whether it be by trade or UFA, or by promoting from within. His expiry date is much closer than a lot of people like to admit. I'd even argue he's past it. 

[IBatch]

57 minutes ago, HorvatToBaertschi said:

At the end of the day, no matter what anybody thinks, signing Tanev to a long term deal is extremely risky. The guy has been the definition of injury-prone. He's been more injury prone than Sami "IR" Salo. Guy's a warrior, but we need to start looking for replacements, whether it be by trade or UFA, or by promoting from within. His expiry date is much closer than a lot of people like to admit. I'd even argue he's past it. 

No way the team will offer more then two years.  Likely one.  So I don’t think that’s anything to worry about, his play itself shouldn’t deteriorate much over that sort of timeframe.    And on the bright side for the first time in awhile it’s to the teams advantage to get some RHD prospects in there to get a look at their development so missing games isn’t bad either.  See us him signing a one year flat deal.  Also see Stetcher not getting re-signed and a cheaper option signed for one year  - like Benn or Fatenburg last summer.    Our right side is in a holding pattern until one of our prospects takes over Stetchers spot and until money opens up in two years to sign a top four vet upgrade which will become  Tanevs long-term replacement.   It’s possible the team would go with Rafferty but don’t think they will yet. 

[IBatch]

On 7/19/2020 at 6:44 PM, theo5789 said:

Funny how certain players need to be the perfect specimens to have any value when in reality almost every player could be nitpicked into not excelling in certain areas of their game. Like Hughes and physical play or EP and his faceoffs for a centerman, but they get a pass because they aren't a player they like and they provide the "sexy" offense. Actual (smart) defense is so underrated and they want to build the team with the current Toronto model, yet also make fun of them for their lack of defense (or so I think, unless they are closet Leafs 

It would sure be nice to have a guy like Mitchell on our team right now.   Or Murzyn in his prime (plus skating ha ha). Someone who will punish guys for coming into our zone and going into the dirty areas.   Feel that’s what our right side needs (more teeth) and hope that our long term RHD replacement for Tanev or Stecher can do that.   Was hoping Tree would be that guy and maybe he will next year (with the state of Covid in the US doesn’t seem that surprising he stayed at home).    Tanev on one year deals going forward should be fine for a little while.   And I’m almost certain that’s how things will go. 

[King Heffy]

1 hour ago, HorvatToBaertschi said:

At the end of the day, no matter what anybody thinks, signing Tanev to a long term deal is extremely risky. The guy has been the definition of injury-prone. He's been more injury prone than Sami "IR" Salo. Guy's a warrior, but we need to start looking for replacements, whether it be by trade or UFA, or by promoting from within. His expiry date is much closer than a lot of people like to admit. I'd even argue he's past it. 

Edler's a pretty good comparable to what a Tanev deal looks like.  Guessing 2 years at roughly the same salary he's currently making, with a NTC.  We can use Stecher's spot to work in some youth without throwing them in the deep end.

[LegionOfDoom]

Unless tanev takes a Canuck favoured contract I’m not intrested in paying big bucks for a guy that just hasn’t been able to stay healthy, and before I get roasted I understand that tan man playing with Hughes is putting himself in a lot less high risk injury plays, just don’t see the aging shot blocker staying healthy for us, and I hope he proves me wrong in the playoffs I’d happily eat my words 

[HorvatToBaertschi]

47 minutes ago, King Heffy said:

Edler's a pretty good comparable to what a Tanev deal looks like.  Guessing 2 years at roughly the same salary he's currently making, with a NTC.  We can use Stecher's spot to work in some youth without throwing them in the deep end.

Paying a defensive dman as much as a physical 2 way #2 dman (who's been playing as a number 1 for a decade) is dumb. Tanev plays his role extremely well, but he doesn't deserve Edler money.

[CanuckCup2022]

The Canucks are a much better team with Tanev than without Tanev imo.

[Tracksuit]

Benn sutter LE rousel beagle Spooner 

To lesser extent Myers All bad deals To name just a few. 

So pick your poison if we  resign tanev then we will need to let go some youth. 
We have young guys that have earned a shot.Time to move on, 

 

markstrom toffoli Tanev JV stecher just no way to get all of them.

 

Of markstrom toffoli tanev pick two 

and if we’re lucky add one of JV or stecher. 

 

1markstrom 

2toffoli 

3JV 

 

And don’t forget who we will need cap space for next season. Before throwing  6 mill For 6 years to to an over 30 again

Only good news we won’t have any cap space for any new overpaid  ufa mistakes a JB specialty. 

 

 

 

[IBatch]

Darkindianrises why don’t we start another thread about can we afford to let Markstrom walk?   If Tanev has his best season yet I doubt we’d be even talking about to this right?  
 

I will start.  First off we will save maybe .5-1.00 million from Markstrom current cap hit to find a capable veteran on say 2 year contract like the one Allen recently signed (there was a time not too long ago he was considered top ten too).   Well plus his raise of course. 
 

2 x 2.  Maybe more then a million who knows. (Plus his raise)

 

2.  Demko stays - no more ED worries of losing him for nothing and he becomes the new “goalie of the future” and at 24 his age works with the young core.

 

3.  Sign Tanev - flat cap to a one year deal- that should work.

 

4.  Give the raise to JV with the Markstrom savings also one year bridge 

 

5.  Let Leivo go, and trade Roussel.  Use that money to sign TT...he’s not going to make 5 x 5 anymore ... 

 

6.  If more cap is needed don’t sign Stetcher and do a Fatenburg or Benn like deal on the right side.

 

The only real movement in this case is the goalie and swapping a third pairing RHD but adding TT.
 

We can’t keep everyone that is obvious. Guess it comes down to who do we need more.   Hard to know for sure. 

Still think we should trade Pearson, let Leivo walk, trade Benn, let Stecher walk and sign the rest.  JV could play on the L side - plus we still have Ferland and Bear.   Can’t think of a better way to fix the cap - and it’s only for one year.  After that we will shed a lot of contracts - unless EP gets 100 points have plenty of money to add too (after next season)...and we’d still have LE and Luongo in the bank for later.   JB has some work to do but I certainly understand why he doesn’t feel we have any cap issues.  Losing Pearson would suck but we have the replacements already and TT is a modest upgrade.  Do you think we will re-sign him anyways (Pearson)?  Bet TT wont get better then 4.5 x 4 in the current market too.  If he wants much more we’d be better off going after Hoffman or Dandanov.  And in this scenario yes of course all the guys includes Markstrom. 

Edited July 21, 2020 by IBatch

[IBatch]

1 hour ago, Tracksuit said:

Benn sutter LE rousel beagle Spooner 

To lesser extent Myers All bad deals To name just a few. 

So pick your poison if we  resign tanev then we will need to let go some youth. 
We have young guys that have earned a shot.Time to move on, 

 

markstrom toffoli Tanev JV stecher just no way to get all of them.

 

Of markstrom toffoli tanev pick two 

and if we’re lucky add one of JV or stecher. 

 

1markstrom 

2toffoli 

3JV 

 

And don’t forget who we will need cap space for next season. Before throwing  6 mill For 6 years to to an over 30 again

Only good news we won’t have any cap space for any new overpaid  ufa mistakes a JB specialty. 

 

 

 

Don’t be ridiculous.   We still needed to ice a team and all those guys you’ve listed were fair deals with the exception of LE.   Who was supposed to play instead?  AG before he was ready instead of Beagle and ruin his development?   Benn scored over 20 points in MTL and has good underlying stats - at 2 million what were you expecting?  Sutter was never injured before he came here ... bad luck there.   Surprised you didn’t add Ferland - he didn’t seem right last summer and felt we were stretching a bit id give you that. 
 

Even LE at the time seemed reasonable - a lot of fans were excited to have him.   Fair warning for the future go big or don’t bother.  These medium level stars are all over the board including Okposo, Neal, Lucic, Ryan and on and on.  
 

Spooner have us Schenn didn’t he?  Funny thing is all these guys are off the books in one or two years so what’s the big worry.  Oh crap we can’t sign TT who was BB replacement just to help the push to the playoffs ... we still lost a lot with him didnt we?  He’s a rental.  Why don’t we just wait until after the season is done to freak out too much and lay a bunch of blame on a GM who’s added so much to our hopes of becoming a playoff team again in the first place.   He’s one year off on his timing - oh poor us his drafting is too good.   It’s not that hard to work it - and I’m sure he will work it ... see my above post - the math works too. 

[theo5789]

2 hours ago, Tracksuit said:

Benn sutter LE rousel beagle Spooner 

To lesser extent Myers All bad deals To name just a few. 

So pick your poison if we  resign tanev then we will need to let go some youth. 
We have young guys that have earned a shot.Time to move on, 

 

markstrom toffoli Tanev JV stecher just no way to get all of them.

 

Of markstrom toffoli tanev pick two 

and if we’re lucky add one of JV or stecher. 

 

1markstrom 

2toffoli 

3JV 

 

And don’t forget who we will need cap space for next season. Before throwing  6 mill For 6 years to to an over 30 again

Only good news we won’t have any cap space for any new overpaid  ufa mistakes a JB specialty. 

 

 

 

1 Markstrom

2 Tanev

3 JV

 

Who are the young guys that have earned a shot? I don't disagree that we should bring in some youth, but who replaces Tanev effectively? The young guys that should have a shot are wingers and while there are a couple of RD options, it is hard to replace Tanev's role. Worrying about a 6x6 deal for him is futile IMO. There is not even a rumour that he's looking for that much. I suspect more along 4.5-5 for 4 years.

[vannuck59]

I say go all out and target Rasmus Ristolainen in a trade swapping Virtanen, Stecher and a First.  Sign TT and  JM to 6 mil deals 4 years Send Benn  and LE to the minors. Trade SB and a Third to Detroit with a 7th coming back.  Dont sign Tanev.  

[King Heffy]

3 minutes ago, vannuck59 said:

I say go all out and target Rasmus Ristolainen in a trade swapping Virtanen, Stecher and a First.  Sign TT and  JM to 6 mil deals 4 years Send Benn  and LE to the minors. Trade SB and a Third to Detroit with a 7th coming back.  Dont sign Tanev.  

So you want to replace our best shutdown guy with a defensive liability?  Our D would be almost as bad as Toronto's if we did that.