Popular Post CanucksFan8353 Posted August 23, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted August 23, 2020 (edited) I was initially a huge proponent of the trade but with him likely not being able to play in the playoffs for us this year, looks like GMJB made a big mistake. We could have used the defensive depth that Tyler Madden would offer us down the road with the core being so strong. Madden might have been that last bit to get our core to Cup Contenders down the line. With Toffoli likely done like Ferland and Leivo though, it looks like the gamble GMJB made busted. Goes to prove those of you who say "don't mortgage the future" right. So frustrating! (And no, inserting an injured Toffoli into the series when we're down 3-0 or 3-1 ala us against Calgary in 2015 with the still busted Ryan Miller) doesn't count as good payback for the trade. Also makes me think of where we'd be if we had a healthy Toffoli, Ferland and Leivio in our roster this year, but, alas, Canucks luck. This trade is just really making me see red right now. Edited August 23, 2020 by Sean83 1 5 27 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post kloubek Posted August 23, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted August 23, 2020 Yes... Jim ignored his crystal ball and did it anyway. What an idiot. 4 2 15 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Bissurnette Posted August 23, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted August 23, 2020 Madden's ceiling projects to be a middle 6 undersized winger. You can't have a 150lbs C in the NHL. We have a ton of wingers. Loved that trade and we gave up a very reasonable price for a top 6 RW 2way vet with cup credentials. Loved the trade then, still love it now. 2 4 5 6 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gawdzukes Posted August 23, 2020 Share Posted August 23, 2020 Big over-reaction. Not the end of the world, and not even done yet. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Toni Zamboni Posted August 23, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted August 23, 2020 this thread is... 1 2 1 14 4 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptKirk888 Posted August 23, 2020 Share Posted August 23, 2020 Hard fail. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptKirk888 Posted August 23, 2020 Share Posted August 23, 2020 10 points in 10 games after the trade. Fit right in and had chemistry right away. Got injured in the playin, so don't really know what he brings in the playoffs. I can see why you are seeing red (red flashing sarcasm detector) 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Xanlet Posted August 23, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted August 23, 2020 https://www.cbssports.com/fantasy/hockey/news/canucks-tyler-toffoli-wont-play-friday/ He has been skating and was "aiming to play a potential game 7 Sunday (today)". Where are you getting that he is likely not going to play any more in these playoffs? 3 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patel Bure Posted August 23, 2020 Share Posted August 23, 2020 18 minutes ago, Sean83 said: I was initially a huge proponent of the trade but with him likely not being able to play in the playoffs for us this year, looks like GMJB made a big mistake. We could have used the defensive depth that Tyler Madden would offer us down the road with the core being so strong. Madden might have been that last bit to get our core to Cup Contenders down the line. With Toffoli likely done like Ferland and Leivo though, it looks like the gamble GMJB made busted. Goes to prove those of you who say "don't mortgage the future" right. So frustrating! (And no, inserting an injured Toffoli into the series when we're down 3-0 or 3-1 ala us against Calgary in 2015 with the still busted Ryan Miller) doesn't count as good payback for the trade. Also makes me think of where we'd be if we had a healthy Toffoli, Ferland and Leivio in our roster this year, but, alas, Canucks luck. This trade is just really making me see red right now. https://thehockeywriters.com/canucks-toffoli-new-contract-bargain/ 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanucksFan8353 Posted August 23, 2020 Author Share Posted August 23, 2020 Just looked it up bud. The standard recovery time per Google for a broken foot is 4 to 6 weeks (or longer). He was injured on August 2. So that means we, at the earliest, would get him back the back-to-back on August 31/Sept 1 at the latest. Also, anything more substantive to add, bud than "hard fail"? 1 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post D-Money Posted August 23, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted August 23, 2020 This thread is foolish on so many levels: 1) Toffoli isn’t “done like Ferland”. If he definitely wasn’t going to be able to play at some point, he’d have left the bubble. 2) Without Toffoli for the short period in the regular season, we likely would have ended up behind Flames in points, and faced the Jets in the play-in round. We haven’t fared well against them, and may not have got past them. 3) Toffoli hurt his foot on a shot-block, right? So it stands to reason that if he wasn’t in the team, the injury could still have happened to whoever was in his place at the time. So we could have no Toffoli, AND be down another top-6 winger. Having TT gave us the depth to sustain an injury like his and still ice as good of a lineup. 4) Madden has some upside, but he’s from a surefire NHL-er, and even farther still from an impact player. And even if he does end up a roster player, how effective can a guy his size truly be - especially in the playoffs? 5 1 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post UFCanuck Posted August 23, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted August 23, 2020 How about Chayka, trading for Hall and then quitting like a B*tch. 2 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Brad Marchand Posted August 23, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted August 23, 2020 Lost me at Tyler Madden as 'defensive depth'. 1 2 13 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanucksFan8353 Posted August 23, 2020 Author Share Posted August 23, 2020 2 minutes ago, Xanlet said: https://www.cbssports.com/fantasy/hockey/news/canucks-tyler-toffoli-wont-play-friday/ He has been skating and was "aiming to play a potential game 7 Sunday (today)". Where are you getting that he is likely not going to play any more in these playoffs? I see your confusion. It's a tweet from the GDT. Toffoli not likely to play until at least Game 3 now and since it keeps getting pushed back (I saw the report he'd be back for Game 7 if needed also), what's to say it doesn't continually get pushed back? What I'm saying is we were told we were aiming for Game 7 tonight or even Friday's game was possible. Now he won't be back until Thursday's game at the very earliest??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptKirk888 Posted August 23, 2020 Share Posted August 23, 2020 1 minute ago, Sean83 said: Just looked it up bud. The standard recovery time per Google for a broken foot is 4 to 6 weeks (or longer). He was injured on August 2. So that means we, at the earliest, would get him back the back-to-back on August 31/Sept 1 at the latest. Also, anything more substantive to add, bud than "hard fail"? Why didn't you quote me directly or you don't know how to do that?. What is your point? I made no mention on when he would be back or if he even would be back, bud. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Down by the River Posted August 23, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted August 23, 2020 4 minutes ago, Sean83 said: Just looked it up bud. The standard recovery time per Google for a broken foot is 4 to 6 weeks (or longer). He was injured on August 2. So that means we, at the earliest, would get him back the back-to-back on August 31/Sept 1 at the latest. Also, anything more substantive to add, bud than "hard fail"? Mark Recchi has some competition. 2 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptKirk888 Posted August 23, 2020 Share Posted August 23, 2020 1 minute ago, Sean83 said: I see your confusion. It's a tweet from the GDT. Toffoli not likely to play until at least Game 3 now and since it keeps getting pushed back (I saw the report he'd be back for Game 7 if needed also), what's to say it doesn't continually get pushed back? What I'm saying is we were told we were aiming for Game 7 tonight or even Friday's game was possible. Now he won't be back until Thursday's game at the very earliest??? So because a guy gets injured, it's a bad trade? I see you are noob on here, perhaps you are a Vegas fan? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanucksFan8353 Posted August 23, 2020 Author Share Posted August 23, 2020 4 minutes ago, D-Money said: This thread is foolish on so many levels: 1) Toffoli isn’t “done like Ferland”. If he definitely wasn’t going to be able to play at some point, he’d have left the bubble. 2) Without Toffoli for the short period in the regular season, we likely would have ended up behind Flames in points, and faced the Jets in the play-in round. We haven’t fared well against them, and may not have got past them. 3) Toffoli hurt his foot on a shot-block, right? So it stands to reason that if he wasn’t in the team, the injury could still have happened to whoever was in his place at the time. So we could have no Toffoli, AND be down another top-6 winger. Having TT gave us the depth to sustain an injury like his and still ice as good of a lineup. 4) Madden has some upside, but he’s from a surefire NHL-er, and even farther still from an impact player. And even if he does end up a roster player, how effective can a guy his size truly be - especially in the playoffs? Well I'll grant you, you raise some good points there especially with Toffoli providing the depth. Would feel better about no Toffoli if Boesser was producing at the level he's supposed to also. I'm just frustrated that if we were able to, for once, ice a healthy roster with Myers, Toffoli, Ferland and Leivio, I'd bet you we'd be storming to the Cup for sure right now. Instead we're heavy underdogs against the sainted Golden Knights. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post BCNeil Posted August 23, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted August 23, 2020 Don't feed the troll. 2 2 4 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanucksFan8353 Posted August 23, 2020 Author Share Posted August 23, 2020 (edited) 9 minutes ago, CaptKirk888 said: So because a guy gets injured, it's a bad trade? I see you are noob on here, perhaps you are a Vegas fan? It is a bad trade, yeah, because the truly exceptional players like Crosby, Jake G, Ovechkin, or Oshie don't go down when their teams are ready to make an extended cup run (not talking about Sid's concussion issues but when they were resolved for his cups in 2016/2017 and prior to the concussions in 2009). Also sucks that he managed to stay healthy during LAK's 2 cup runs but couldn't for us. History shows that you have to have players who know how to stay healthy to win the cup. The real reason I'm pissed though is because I truly believe a healthy Toffoli would go a long way towards winning us the series against VGK alone. Edited August 23, 2020 by Sean83 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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