timberz21 Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 43 minutes ago, Robert Long said: tbh I don't think Hoglander is on the trade bait list either, too much scoring talent potential there. For me it would be Lind, Juolevi the most likely two on the block for prospects. The guy hasn't score more than 10 goals at any level in the past 4 years but OK. IMO, he's a B+ prospect at best, if we can get some value while his stock is high, I wouldn't mind taking that risk (for the right deal). Otherwise, he reminds me too much of a certain Anton Rodin...overhyped way too much. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
awalk Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 5 minutes ago, timberz21 said: The guy hasn't score more than 10 goals at any level in the past 4 years but OK. IMO, he's a B+ prospect at best, if we can get some value while his stock is high, I wouldn't mind taking that risk (for the right deal). Otherwise, he reminds me too much of a certain Anton Rodin...overhyped way too much. SHL is notoriously a low scoring league so I wouldn't put much stock in that, but certainly agree he is a B+ prospect, which is solid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanuckGAME Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 4 minutes ago, timberz21 said: The guy hasn't score more than 10 goals at any level in the past 4 years but OK. IMO, he's a B+ prospect at best, if we can get some value while his stock is high, I wouldn't mind taking that risk (for the right deal). Otherwise, he reminds me too much of a certain Anton Rodin...overhyped way too much. He's been playing in the top tier Swedish league against men for 3 years. He's only 19 years old. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VegasCanuck Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 I feel slightly sorry for Armstrong in Arizona in this. He's walked into a disaster that he didn't create and is having to try and figure out how to assemble a team that's cap compliant, with a bunch of unmovable contracts, and the one guy who would pull significant interest around the league, who they REALLY need to move, has a full NMC and has given them 2 teams to negotiate with. Many of the contracts, Kessel, etc, they wouldn't be in any better shape cap wise, to buy them out either. They got slapped by the league for violating testing policies with potential draft picks, which again, is not his fault. Just nuts. But, we have a team to run and build, so if we can take advantage of them? Pillage onward! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
24K PureCool Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 JB should walk away now. Let them crawl back to us after free agency. If Armstrong don't play his cards right, he's gonna be fired before the season starts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwijibo Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 1 minute ago, 24K PureCool said: JB should walk away now. Let them crawl back to us after free agency. If Armstrong don't play his cards right, he's gonna be fired before the season starts. OEL has imposed a deadline of tomorrow at noon. After that he won’t agree to waive his NTC. This gets done before then or not until next season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Googlie Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 8 minutes ago, timberz21 said: The guy hasn't score more than 10 goals at any level in the past 4 years but OK. IMO, he's a B+ prospect at best, if we can get some value while his stock is high, I wouldn't mind taking that risk (for the right deal). Otherwise, he reminds me too much of a certain Anton Rodin...overhyped way too much. Although he turned heads with his 5 goals and 6 assists in 7 games against the worlds best juniors 10 months ago Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
24K PureCool Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 Just now, qwijibo said: OEL has imposed a deadline of tomorrow at noon. After that he won’t agree to waive his NTC. This gets done before then or not until next season I doubt OEL is gonna say no out of spite if Armstrong comes to him with a trade to Van or Bos after the deadline. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post VegasCanuck Posted October 8, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted October 8, 2020 8 minutes ago, timberz21 said: The guy hasn't score more than 10 goals at any level in the past 4 years but OK. IMO, he's a B+ prospect at best, if we can get some value while his stock is high, I wouldn't mind taking that risk (for the right deal). Otherwise, he reminds me too much of a certain Anton Rodin...overhyped way too much. I'm guessing that you have done ZERO research about the level of league he's been playing in and the type of competition he's been facing in playing against men from a really young age. When he was placed back with his peers at the World Juniors, he led the tournament up until he was tossed in the last game for a bad hit. But, he dominated at that level. In the Sweden U20 tournament, he put up 10 goals and 9 assists in 15 games. He doesn't have a massive top end speed, but he turns on a dime and has a really fast first couple of steps. Players have trouble containing him in the offensive zone and as we've seen if you look back to earlier pages in this thread, he has an edge to his game and isn't afraid to hit. Really hope that he is an untouchable in this negotiation. 4 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruilin96 Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 5 minutes ago, VegasCanuck said: I feel slightly sorry for Armstrong in Arizona in this. He's walked into a disaster that he didn't create and is having to try and figure out how to assemble a team that's cap compliant, with a bunch of unmovable contracts, and the one guy who would pull significant interest around the league, who they REALLY need to move, has a full NMC and has given them 2 teams to negotiate with. Many of the contracts, Kessel, etc, they wouldn't be in any better shape cap wise, to buy them out either. They got slapped by the league for violating testing policies with potential draft picks, which again, is not his fault. Just nuts. But, we have a team to run and build, so if we can take advantage of them? Pillage onward! He knows what he is walking into when they interviewed him. It will take a few years before this mess gets sorted out. He will have his time to construct the roster. For the time being, his goal is to recoupe lost draft picks so he can slowly reconstruct the roster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Petey Castiglione Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 Hockey insiders tracking the OEL trade rumours. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKSR Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 1 hour ago, Dazzle said: It's really scary how so many people don't know how a negotiation process works. Everything is an option when you're in talks like these. The goal is to maximize options for yourself. How so? If you know anything about negotiation, now is the PERFECT time to put the pressure on. Why sit here and wait for Arizona to dictate the terms. You tell them you'll walk away if we are plan B. Then see if they have a fire lit under them to get the deal done with Vancouver or gamble with Boston. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bure_Pavel Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 The deadline needs to be today at 4pm pacific time. We have 3 fairly high profile UFA's without contracts and stetcher now, their prices will rise once FA starts. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VegasCanuck Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 1 minute ago, ruilin96 said: He knows what he is walking into when they interviewed him. It will take a few years before this mess gets sorted out. He will have his time to construct the roster. For the time being, his goal is to recoupe lost draft picks so he can slowly reconstruct the roster. Correct, and if he can fix this, he's going to look like a god in Arizona. Still not a great position to be in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayinblack Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 21 minutes ago, flickyoursedin said: I’m hoping he stands pat on the deal that he’s made. I heard updates that Vancouver’s sweetened the deal. From the sounds of it Arizona needs to get rid of him and our offer is the best and might be the only one on the table. That’s their fault for the contract they gave to OEL. I just keep thinking Benning feels like he needs OEL now and might give up too much to get him. Might be able to ditch one of our bad contracts like Baertschi with a pick and sign both Tanev and Barrie while keeping the dollars around the same with giving up less than it sounds for OEL and not have an 8.25 contract for 7 more years. For me it's all about retention. I don't want OEL unless they retain at least 25%. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwijibo Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 (edited) 10 minutes ago, 24K PureCool said: I doubt OEL is gonna say no out of spite if Armstrong comes to him with a trade to Van or Bos after the deadline. According to every report out there he will. He has the NTC. He sets the terms of whether he waived or not Edited October 8, 2020 by qwijibo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VegasCanuck Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 1 minute ago, Jayinblack said: For me it's all about retention. I don't want OEL unless they retain at least 25%. I'm okay with them not retaining if they will take Loui and Benn.... 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayinblack Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 2 minutes ago, Bure_Pavel said: The deadline needs to be today at 4pm pacific time. We have 3 fairly high profile UFA's without contracts and stetcher now, their prices will rise once FA starts. I'm guessing JB has told all of them what he's willing to have them back at. It's their right to see what the market holds for them, but this year in particular won't be anything like previous FA frenzies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwijibo Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 2 minutes ago, Jayinblack said: For me it's all about retention. I don't want OEL unless they retain at least 25%. Then it’s not happening. They’re not going to retain $2.7m for 7 years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayinblack Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 Just now, VegasCanuck said: I'm okay with them not retaining if they will take Loui and Benn.... I"m not. I don't want to have 3 players (Petey, Hughes, OEL) eating up $25-30M for the following 5 years. Keep OEL's cap hit around $6M and we're in a great position. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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