Popular Post SID.IS.SID.ME.IS.ME Posted May 27, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted May 27, 2021 I’m not sure I’d even sign Kuznetsov as a UFA right now for $7.8 million over four years (which is what’s remaining on his current deal), never mind trade valuable assets for him, given his contract, and his trajectory. I mean, even before this season, Dom Luszczyszyn’s GSVA model rated Kuznetsov’s contract a “D” grading and put it at -$15.8M (as in negative, or overpayment) in value over the remaining term. And since that rating, Kuznetsov’s 2020-21 season saw him posting his worst scoring production rate since 2014-15 (his sophomore NHL season). I definitely wouldn’t trade Boeser or Miller, plus other assets (as suggested in some posts here), for Kuznetsov. Both Boeser and especially Miller, have outproduced and outperformed Kuznetsov for the last two seasons, and they are both younger, and on better deals. Kuznetsov appears to be starting his age related decline curve, and could potentially approach “negative value” territory and even buyout candidacy before his current contract expires. Some Caps fans say he’s already not earning his money. That’s not very likely to improve as his rounds age 30 and continues to get older and see his production decline. In any trade for Kuznetsov involving one of our younger, star forwards, I’d expect Washington to be the team adding pieces, and significant ones at that (assets like a high draft pick, top prospect, second roster player, etc). And even still, I’m not even sure I’d do it, unless the deal was massively weighted in our favour (like offloading Eriksson’s cap hit, getting a premium future asset in the return, etc). Kuznetsov is also really bad at faceoffs, especially for a 29 year old veteran. He’s actually worse than Pettersson is on draws. Difference is Petey is young and will get stronger and better at faceoffs. Kuznetsov is probably already past his prime and he’s a career 43.5% on faceoffs, and was around 41% last season. He’s not very likely to get better. He’s a talented player, no doubt, and if acquisition costs, and salary cap implications, were not factors in the equation, I’d be happy to insert a skilled forward like Kuznetsov into the lineup. However, in the real world, I’m not sure I see a realistic pathway to make it happen, or at least one that really works in the best favour for the Canucks. 2 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-P Posted May 27, 2021 Share Posted May 27, 2021 Don't think he'd be a good fit on our roster, even if he was still living up to his contract. Also, we don't have the assets to trade. Giving up Hogs, Podz, Boeser, Horvat etc. would set us back. The only really valuable assets I can think of that we could part with in exchange for a forward are Miller (who's on a good contract but with some question marks IMO and you could speculate he's at his peak now and won't be when we are ready to contend) and/or our 1st round pick, but then the return better be good. Best course of action is probably to stay away from other teams cast offs, keep our pick and make cap room for one FA forward and/or one FA RD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PistolPete13 Posted May 27, 2021 Share Posted May 27, 2021 Can’t afford him. Don’t want him. Eos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustABandwagoner Posted May 27, 2021 Share Posted May 27, 2021 1 hour ago, oldnews said: as opposed to whatever you are. Canucks fans would be correct, WSH fans would be running to the bank to cash in lol. If you don't want people to messyou, then...might want to hold off on the #facepalm proposals. but yes, that was fun, thanks Its an online stupid forum w/e 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PistolPete13 Posted May 27, 2021 Share Posted May 27, 2021 2 hours ago, #Canucks said: This would literally be worse than the Loui signing. 7.8m for a player that has not scored over 30 goals in a season that will be 30 next year. Crazy people! This. We don’t need another LE on our hands. This guy has whipping boy written all over him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted May 27, 2021 Share Posted May 27, 2021 Kuznetsov 29 pts in 41 games, 21 pts at even strength. 72.5% ozone starts 51.2% corsi 493 faceoffs = 41.4% Unflattering outcomes, to say the least - however on the other hand he has very high on ice shooting % - can assume that he counterbalances some weaknesses with high quality scoring chances/conversion.. Regardless - there's nothing resembling a complete enough player - that I'd be spending anywhere near the kind of assets some people are talking about - to acquire a guy like him - that far into his prime. Makes next to zero sense for us. Let the Calgarys send a Gaudreau or Monahan that way.......while we stay the course and hard pass on distractions like this. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Podz92 Posted May 27, 2021 Share Posted May 27, 2021 IIRC didn’t he claim he was present but not partaking? Not saying we should be interested at all... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.B Cooper Posted May 28, 2021 Share Posted May 28, 2021 On 5/26/2021 at 5:31 PM, DontMessMe said: What would be the cost I wonder.... Decent mentor for Pod Just spitting FOR FUN Miller, Boeser and 9th overall? (Canucks fans will call his an overpayment, and WSH fans will prob call this an underpayment and not enough) Boeser Hog 9th overall? Miller Hog 9th overall? Miller, 9th overall, 2nd round 2022? Miller and 2 x 2nds? (I would actually heavily consider this one, but its prob not enough) I’m sorry but what the hell are you talking about? Both Miller and Boeser are younger, have better stats, and are cheaper. you want to bundle both of them, plus a top 10 pick? hahahahahahahahahahahahHahahahahahahahahahahhahahHhHHahahahahhahahahahahahhahaahahhaha hahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahhahaha hahahahahahahahhaha 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.B Cooper Posted May 28, 2021 Share Posted May 28, 2021 (edited) I nominate @DontMessMefor most hilarious/ridiculous post of the year for his work today. Not only did he suggest this over paid cocaine user would be a mentor for our young Russian, he suggested we trade two of our top 4 players who both out produce him, Plus a top 10 pick. Great work! Edited May 28, 2021 by drummerboy 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ilya Mikheyev Posted May 28, 2021 Share Posted May 28, 2021 only way he holds value is if Caps retain 25%+ cap hit or take wasted cap space back I like Kuzie but 7.8 is ridiculous Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted May 28, 2021 Share Posted May 28, 2021 (edited) oops Edited May 28, 2021 by oldnews Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted May 28, 2021 Share Posted May 28, 2021 (edited) again Edited May 28, 2021 by oldnews Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DefCon1 Posted May 28, 2021 Share Posted May 28, 2021 No thanks, we have Miller, Horvat and Petersson as centers. No need for Kuznestov. Canucks should target wingers since they only have Boeser, Podkolzin and Hoglander. We need one more top 6 winger to complete the top 6 and have miller or Horvat as 3rd C centering Pearson and Lind. Its either have that setup or look for 3C. Kuznestov doesnt fit the Canucks needs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustABandwagoner Posted May 28, 2021 Share Posted May 28, 2021 1 hour ago, drummerboy said: I nominate @DontMessMefor most hilarious/ridiculous post of the year for his work today. Not only did he suggest this over paid cocaine user would be a mentor for our young Russian, he suggested we trade two of our top 4 players who both out produce him, Plus a top 10 pick. Great work! Go ahead! I love getting recognition!! #TANKFORBEDARD 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chickenspear Posted May 28, 2021 Author Share Posted May 28, 2021 10 minutes ago, DontMessMe said: Go ahead! I love getting recognition!! #TANKFORBEDARD There is such a thing called "bad publicity" 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustABandwagoner Posted May 28, 2021 Share Posted May 28, 2021 1 minute ago, Chickenspear said: There is such a thing called "bad publicity" This is just an online forum #BEDARD2023 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Heffy Posted May 28, 2021 Share Posted May 28, 2021 (edited) 6 hours ago, oldnews said: Kuznetsov 29 pts in 41 games, 21 pts at even strength. 72.5% ozone starts 51.2% corsi 493 faceoffs = 41.4% Unflattering outcomes, to say the least - however on the other hand he has very high on ice shooting % - can assume that he counterbalances some weaknesses with high quality scoring chances/conversion.. Regardless - there's nothing resembling a complete enough player - that I'd be spending anywhere near the kind of assets some people are talking about - to acquire a guy like him - that far into his prime. Makes next to zero sense for us. Let the Calgarys send a Gaudreau or Monahan that way.......while we stay the course and hard pass on distractions like this. Calgary makes a lot of sense actually. His character issues would make him a great fit with those scumbags; he'd make a great linemate for the midget on and off the ice. Edited May 28, 2021 by King Heffy 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IBatch Posted May 28, 2021 Share Posted May 28, 2021 19 hours ago, RakuRaku said: I'd take him!!! Kuz is a proven offensive centre and will boost up our 2nd line instantly and of course will also make Podz feel safe & warm!! But the only way to make the trade work is for them to take on some % of Eriksson's contract and will have to throw in 2 top young guys and a 1st pick.... I really don't know if Juolevi + Lind would be enough?? Take away Ovi and his PP points .... and there is a pretty good chance Horvat is the better producer playing with Pearson and Hogs. Hard pass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted May 28, 2021 Share Posted May 28, 2021 (edited) I wonder if Burkie would look at Malkin for Kuznetsov? I'd sure like to see Makkin and Ovechkin together to take one more old man run at the cup. It would take moving more lesser assets in the deal in the whole package, but it lowers Pittsburgh's cap, brings in new scoring, and gives Ovi a reason to re-sign in WSH at a discount for one more run. Edited May 28, 2021 by Jimmy McGill 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Heffy Posted May 28, 2021 Share Posted May 28, 2021 1 hour ago, Jimmy McGill said: I wonder if Burkie would look at Malkin for Kuznetsov? I'd sure like to see Makkin and Ovechkin together to take one more old man run at the cup. It would take moving more lesser assets in the deal in the whole package, but it lowers Pittsburgh's cap, brings in new scoring, and gives Ovi a reason to re-sign in WSH at a discount for one more run. Malkin and Ovechkin are known to not get along. Doesn't make sense for Washington to do this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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