VegasCanuck Posted October 11, 2021 Share Posted October 11, 2021 19 minutes ago, Krinjer33 said: Yea but… but …..but Eastern Bias and… No tax state and… Yzerman and… the Kucherov LTIR and…. Fire Green and….. Gillis sold the farm and…. Orca Bay and…. Messier and…. Never had a 1st overall pick and…. the Orca logo and….. (insert excuse here) You left out, Sh!t happens 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidgoliath Posted October 11, 2021 Share Posted October 11, 2021 2 hours ago, ilduce39 said: I think people on here and Twitter are taking this Juolevi quote the wrong way. I read this as him dismissing the question - it’s really irrelevant whether he was (or thinks he was) treated fairly. That’s pro sports. And what else could he say in this situation. He probably doesn’t feel he was treated fairly, so if he says he was treated fairly he may feel it would not be the truth as he feels it. If he said he wasn’t treated fairly he’d be seen as a whiner and it would not be a good look for his new start. In the circumstances it was a good diplomatic answer to an awkward question. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Fig Posted October 11, 2021 Share Posted October 11, 2021 4 hours ago, ba;;isticsports said: 2012? No longer a prospect in 2021/2022 He still has promising size .... whatever the hell that means. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bell Posted October 11, 2021 Share Posted October 11, 2021 Wow, didn't see that coming. Wished they at least gave him a real look before bailing on him. Good luck kid, hope you do well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilduce39 Posted October 11, 2021 Share Posted October 11, 2021 1 minute ago, davidgoliath said: And what else could he say in this situation. He probably doesn’t feel he was treated fairly, so if he says he was treated fairly he may feel it would not be the truth as he feels it. If he said he wasn’t treated fairly he’d be seen as a whiner and it would not be a good look for his new start. In the circumstances it was a good diplomatic answer to an awkward question. Yeah it’s a trap question for sure - say you were treated unfairly and look like an entitled whiner or say it was fair and admit you aren’t good enough. The truth is, his circumstances with injuries, Covid and maybe cap situation(?) really limited his chances with the Canucks. I’d be fine with him saying it was unfair even if a lot would jump on him for it. On the other hand, the team feels they’re better off with Rathbone and using Hunt as the depth guy - I think there aren’t many secure positions right now so that’s their bet to make I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NHL97OneTimer Posted October 11, 2021 Share Posted October 11, 2021 2 hours ago, DeNiro said: Putting draft position aside Juulsen really isn’t that much of a downgrade on Juolevi. Both need much more development to be regular NHLers. At the very least Juulsen has already cleared waivers so we don’t need to lose him for nothing like we might have with Olli. I don't know Juulsen at all but this is the key part.....forgetting the draft position. Some people may say this trade was a loss whereas others will say the loss has already happened. JB moving what would be another media crosshair (i.e. losing him to waivers or keeping him on the team but not succeeding) was what he had to do. It may not prove to be the right move, but I sure respect that JB is willing to put his ego aside and push forward. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toyotasfan Posted October 11, 2021 Share Posted October 11, 2021 Why even ask for players like these in return? There’s better waiver wire scraps before the season starts, might as well have given Joulevi away for free and pick something off final cut waivers. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NHL97OneTimer Posted October 11, 2021 Share Posted October 11, 2021 47 minutes ago, Toyotasfan said: All we got is depth for Abbotsford. That's all OJ was at this time. Unfortunate, but true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Fig Posted October 11, 2021 Share Posted October 11, 2021 4 hours ago, flickyoursedin said: Didn’t Juulsen just clear waivers about a week ago? So that’s the return people are to get onboard with. The retailers at the Seven Oaks Mall are on board too .... they just picked up two new customers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SID.IS.SID.ME.IS.ME Posted October 11, 2021 Share Posted October 11, 2021 20 minutes ago, Dazzle said: Really? 23 games, 2 goals, 1 assist, while playing for a coach that forces him to take PK shifts, and no PP time? Yeah, he's a bust... /s I like your posts, but you're out to lunch on this one, IMHO. 25/29 of the other first rounders in OJ’s draft year have played more NHL games. Plus another 15 players drafted in the 2nd round. And a further 15 players drafted in rounds 3-7 of the 2016 Draft. If OJ was another team’s top-5 draft pick, and we weren’t at all invested in him, wouldn’t most of us have already labeled him a bust? That’s all I’m really saying. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NHL97OneTimer Posted October 11, 2021 Share Posted October 11, 2021 37 minutes ago, Dazzle said: It's kinda funny. Green jettisoned a few of the people who got a goal or assist during our DREADFUL preseason. No, we weren't outscoring teams. The players that generated some points were: Gadj, Juolevi (minor assist), and Di Giuseppe. Who did we keep? Petan - former Green player in the WHL. I must say though, Petan is decent. However, the problem isn't with Petan; it's with Green and him going back to his favourite players Who made Green's team? 0 points, 1 fight/KO Macewen - he's obviously poorly utilized by Green. Highmore, who I don't entirely dislike, but he was basically a nonfactor for a few of the games he's played. Rathbone = promising but underwhelming preseason, aside from 1 breakaway goal from the box and 1 penalty shot, did he do anything else? Chiasson = hustling, but generally not doing much aside from last game. How many penalties did we take? A lot. Who was killing most of the penalties. Juolevi. Green just doesn't have a clue. If you put together the list of healthy roster players on 4 OF lines and 3 D lines, you'll see that there isn't much room for all of the players from preseason. There will be other players lost or playing in the AHL that could have been in the NHL. That's the mark of an improved team. Not one game did we see the full lineup this preseason so I'm withholding judgment for now even though I would have liked to see more pedal to the metal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NHL97OneTimer Posted October 11, 2021 Share Posted October 11, 2021 39 minutes ago, Dazzle said: Really? 23 games, 2 goals, 1 assist, while playing for a coach that forces him to take PK shifts, and no PP time? Yeah, he's a bust... /s I like your posts, but you're out to lunch on this one, IMHO. The Hockey News in 2019 called Juolevi a bust......not saying he is, but it's not a reach to say he is: https://www.si.com/hockey/news/the-top-10-nhl-draft-busts-of-the-decade Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PetterssonOrPeterson Posted October 11, 2021 Share Posted October 11, 2021 7 minutes ago, King Heffy said: Neither of those guys were anywhere near the piece of garbage that Tkachuk is. His own teammates had to tell him to start playing like a man instead of a gutless coward. I have absolutely zero respect for him and make zero apologies for that. The NHL will be greatly improved when someone finally does the league's job and ends his pitiful excuse for a career. Benning has said multiple times that character is important, and Tkachuk doesn't belong on a respectable team. Tkachuk has had his tantrums and acts like a rat at times but how is that any worse than the way Kesler and Burrows acted out when they used to play? You are delusional to deny that and say they aren't anywhere "near the piece of garbage that Tkachuk is". For such a "ideal team filled with character players", that's weird, they were the most hated team in the league. Why do you think that is? They had the Lapierres, the Torres, the Burrows and Keslers. Such class acts. We only have respectable players on our team right? There is no excuse to bring in matters that was actually traumatic and detrimental to a person's psychological and physical wellbeing at some point in their life, especially when they were a child. Burrows was the type of "character guy" that crossed the boundary and found it ok to talk that trash to an opposing player. He literally thought in his head that it's ok to say those things just for the sake of trash talking someone. You call that a character guy? Nowhere near the type of garbage that Tkachuk is? Curb your damn bias. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Fig Posted October 11, 2021 Share Posted October 11, 2021 3 hours ago, Qwags said: By acquiring Juho Lammikko, the Vancouver Canucks extend their streak of having an ex-Panthers draft pick on their roster. 23 seasons. Jim has satisfied his inner Panther. Can't be a bad thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BPA Posted October 11, 2021 Share Posted October 11, 2021 44 minutes ago, stawns said: So one lhd Well I don't see QH or Rathbone being a staple on the PK. So what's left?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted October 11, 2021 Share Posted October 11, 2021 Just now, BPA said: Well I don't see QH or Rathbone being a staple on the PK. So what's left?? that's a good question Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidgoliath Posted October 11, 2021 Share Posted October 11, 2021 2 hours ago, DeNiro said: Very lazy. Most of those players Benning planned to re-sign its not like he willingly let them walk to free agency. The cap not increasing and the emergence of Demko kind of changed the situation. As for losing the prospects. I mean yea it sucks to lose depth but giving up Lind in the expansion draft is a pretty small cost. It looks like he won’t even make the Seattle squad so I doubt he could have helped us much. Gadjovich I think they liked as a player but they needed him to bring something more (pk ability). In a perfect world he would have cleared and worked on that in Abby. Maybe a bit of a misplay on that but I don’t think Gadjovich could have made it in Greens system. And as we’re seeing players of that level are available on waivers all the time. Dont need to discuss Virtanen and Juolevi any more than we have. They were bad picks not based on their potential but based on their character and work ethic. That’s ultimately what held them both back. An important aspect of scouting but one that’s much harder to gauge. Either way look at any GMs drafting history and you won’t find one without a few big misses. As long Benning hits more often than he misses we’re in good shape. Serious questions: what is this “Greens system” you speak of and why couldn’t Jonah fit in it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Fig Posted October 11, 2021 Share Posted October 11, 2021 3 hours ago, Alflives said: OJ is gone; he’s dead to me. Hell he was mostly dead here, especially after that bag skate! If you're bagged after a bag skate, can't the exercise be considered successful? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khay Posted October 11, 2021 Share Posted October 11, 2021 1 hour ago, stawns said: Aggressive defensive players means out of position defensive players. It would appear he's going full Crawford...........never go full Crawford Gonna be a boom or bust season. And at least Crawford was winning games and the games were exciting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DefCon1 Posted October 11, 2021 Share Posted October 11, 2021 (edited) Edited October 11, 2021 by DefCon1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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