[PGT] New York Rangers at Vancouver Canucks | Nov. 02, 2021

[rekker]

35 minutes ago, stawns said:

they take they big picture suggestion that the coach would have given them and refined it for what happens on the ice.  That's how it works.  

 

I feel like people think hockey is like football, with coaches calling plays.........most of the stuff that happens on ice has nothing to do with coaches, beyond the big picture structure they have to play within.........the rest is left to the players to do in the moment.

Oh ya, I get that. I was more just giggling in a sense thinking it was like "whatever coach"

[CaptKirk888]

7 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said:

Chiasson has scored 34 PP goals in 9+ years in the NHL.  He had zero for Calgary and one for Ottawa.  His claim to fame was scoring 19 of those goals in a 3 year period playing on the PP with McDavid and Draisaitl, who don't really seem to miss him much anymore.

 

So I wouldn't really consider him a PP specialist per se.  Also, other than standing in front of the net on the PP he brings nothing else to his game or to the team.  Supposedly we don't have room for guys like MacEwen and Gadjovich even though other top teams are signing their tough guys to long term contracts.  But apparently we have room for a PP specialist who plays 10 minutes a game and is a liability on the ice 5 on 5.  

NHL.com seems to disagree. He had 5 ppgs for Ottawa. In Calgary despite no ppgs he had 12 goals and 24 points. Both respectable for a bottom six player. He also has 103 career goals, 33% of them being ppgs, 

Horvat has 44 ppgs out of 143 career = 30% ppgs. Miller 34 ppgs out of 140 career = 25% ppgs.

All with 8+ years experience, but both Bo and J.T. are top six forwards.

I would say it’s fair to claim Chiasson is a pp specialist, especially in his Oiler years.

 

 

[Putgolzin]

53 minutes ago, stawns said:

I think that's his speciality and has shown throughout his career he can make a career of it, yes.  For years fans have been screaming for a net front presence, now we get one who has made a career of it and people do nothing but call him trash.   

Really?

I mean, everybody keeps talking about how he was part of Edmonton's power play ... so I guess of course he's good enough for us then.

But Edmonton didn't want him.

 

 

[Dr. Crossbar]

46 minutes ago, -Vintage Canuck- said:

 

In all my years of watching this sport in my lifetime, this is one of the most amazing plays I've ever seen. It certainly ranks as one of my favorite goaltending memories in Canucks history. Just unbelievable. And to think Demko is just getting started. 

[CanucksJay]

15 minutes ago, CaptKirk888 said:

NHL.com seems to disagree. He had 5 ppgs for Ottawa. In Calgary despite no ppgs he had 12 goals and 24 points. Both respectable for a bottom six player. He also has 103 career goals, 33% of them being ppgs, 

Horvat has 44 ppgs out of 143 career = 30% ppgs. Miller 34 ppgs out of 140 career = 25% ppgs.

All with 8+ years experience, but both Bo and J.T. are top six forwards.

I would say it’s fair to claim Chiasson is a pp specialist, especially in his Oiler years.

 

 

A statistical variance from normal 5 on 5 does not make one a PP specialist. 

Does that mean Horvat is also a PP specialist? 

That 33% was boosted by playing with McDavid and Draisaitle. 

If Pod was playing on the Oilers and gets gifted time on the top unit, there is little doubt he'd rack up some points. Does that make him a PP specialist? 

Just because you're bad at 90% of your job but perform adequately when you get PP time playing with the best players on your team while also enjoying a man advantage does not make you a PP specialist. 

 

I feel bad ragging on Chiasson so I'll stop. 

He's doing what Green is asking him to do. Not his fault. 

I'm more angry with staff's strategy along with choice in personnel. 

 

Edited November 3, 2021 by CanucksJay

[cdgraham]

7 hours ago, spook007 said:

Be honest...are you fishing for a free season ticket......

Wouldn't complain! I still take credit for 2011 and that was the year I went to the most games lol 

 

In hindsight that team bring so good certainly helped 

[Taphouse Canuck]

My response to all the Chiasson critics:

 

He has 3 points in 9 games, the same number as Pearson, Hogz and Brock, but he only costs us $750,000 a year.

 

Seems like good value to me.

[CaptKirk888]

1 minute ago, CanucksJay said:

A statistical variance from normal 5 on 5 does not make one a PP specialist. 

Does that mean Horvat is also a PP specialist? 

That 33% was boosted by playing with McDavid and Draisaitle. 

If Pod was playing on the Oilers and gets gifted time on the top unit, there is little doubt he'd rack up some points. Does that make him a PP specialist? 

Just because you're bad at 90% of your job but perform adequately when you get PP time playing with the best players on your team while also enjoying a man advantage does not make you a PP specialist. 

 

Fair enough, but as I mentioned in another post, despite scoring less ppgs in Dallas, Calgary and Ottawa, he had smilar points totals to his time in Edmonton. IMO his not a bad 3rd or 4th liner.

[CanucksJay]

2 minutes ago, Taphouse Canuck said:

My response to all the Chiasson critics:

 

He has 3 points in 9 games, the same number as Pearson, Hogz and Brock, but he only costs us $750,000 a year.

 

Seems like good value to me.

On the flip side, if Pearson, Hogz or Boeser got as much PP time as Chiasson, would they have better stats? 

[spook007]

5 minutes ago, cdgraham said:

Wouldn't complain! I still take credit for 2011 and that was the year I went to the most games lol 

 

In hindsight that team bring so good certainly helped 

Absolutely... magical times...

[CanucksJay]

1 minute ago, CaptKirk888 said:

Fair enough, but as I mentioned in another post, despite scoring less ppgs in Dallas, Calgary and Ottawa, he had smilar points totals to his time in Edmonton. IMO his not a bad 3rd or 4th liner.

Hockey is a team game. I get it. 

Do you remember after both of our goals yesterday? Green threw the 4th line out there and they got completely hemmed in and killed the momentum. Even gave up a huge chance. 

I blame that more on Green for choice in deployment but at the same time, I don't think the same thing would have happened if the 4th line was Bailey Lammikko Motte 

Chiasson is too slow but also not physical. 

Schenn is slow but at least he hits and fights. 

[Devron]

We won

[IBatch]

1 minute ago, Devron44 said:

We won

Yep we did.  Let's be happy. 

[stawns]

1 hour ago, CanucksJay said:

Real world experience has nothing to do with knowing what to expect when a puck flies by you at 90+ MPH. 

LOL in this respect, you may be correct. If one was to take a slap shot off the feet, I'd rather Chiasson than Horvat. But then again this logic is faulty because why do we play guys like Miller and Horvat on the PK? By that logic, they could also hurt themselves. 

 

So..... Yeah potential of getting hit by the puck is not the reason they should be playing Chiasson. 

If you don't want to get hit by the puck, go play another sport. 

 

I bet if Green asks Podz if he wants to try PP1 netfront, Podz would jump at the chance. 

You make it sound like it's the most undesirable job lol. 

 

have you ever done it?

[CanucksJay]

2 minutes ago, stawns said:

have you ever done it?

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to realize it'll hurt. 

What is your point? 

 

Are you saying being a netfront guy on PP1 in the NHL is the most undesirable job in the world? 

 

Are you saying Chiasson is in because no one else wants to do it on this team?

 

Do Horvat and Miller want to stand in a passive box and get pucks shot at them on the PK? 

 

Edited November 3, 2021 by CanucksJay

[DeNiro]

1 hour ago, canuckleheads fan said:

I was wrong, this is from a pre-season story in the Province: Nolan Baumgartner will continue to work with defencemen and run the penalty kill but Shaw won’t be far away for some sage advice while helping direct forwards and the power play.

This is what I hate about that move.

 

They hire the guy they needed and cast him in the wrong role. 
 

Why would he not be running the defense and penalty kill with his experience? The penalty kill is one of our weakest areas right now.

 

If Green was determined to keep Baumer they should have found a new role for him. Hell have him run the powerplay it couldn’t get much worse.

 

Edited November 3, 2021 by DeNiro

[Elias Pettersson]

39 minutes ago, CaptKirk888 said:

NHL.com seems to disagree. He had 5 ppgs for Ottawa. In Calgary despite no ppgs he had 12 goals and 24 points. Both respectable for a bottom six player. He also has 103 career goals, 33% of them being ppgs, 

Horvat has 44 ppgs out of 143 career = 30% ppgs. Miller 34 ppgs out of 140 career = 25% ppgs.

All with 8+ years experience, but both Bo and J.T. are top six forwards.

I would say it’s fair to claim Chiasson is a pp specialist, especially in his Oiler years.

 

 

Sorry I meant Washington not Ottawa.  He was a PP specialist for McDavid and Draisaitl, who don't need him anymore.  He wasn't a PP specialist for anyone else.  

 

He had 12 goals for Calgary even strength 5 years ago.  It's safe to say he is well past him prime now considering we signed him off of a PTO...

[HomeBrew]

10 minutes ago, DeNiro said:

This is what I hate about that move.

 

They hire the guy they needed and cast him in the wrong role. 
 

Why would he not be running the defense and penalty kill with his experience? The penalty kill is one of our weakest areas right now.

 

If Green was determined to keep Baumer they should have found a new role for him. Hell have him run the powerplay it couldn’t get much worse.

 

To be fair, most of the areas are our weakest areas right - except goaltending.

[DeNiro]

Interesting to see the disparity between Hughes and Pettersson.

 

Both arrived to the team late yet Hughes looks dialed in and miles ahead of last season.

 

Gotta wonder if that negotiation soured Pettersson on the team. He played better last night but overall the heart and the effort are lacking.

[DeNiro]

2 minutes ago, HomeBrew said:

To be fair, most of the areas are our weakest areas right - except goaltending.

Yea but you don’t improve that by miscasting people in the wrong roles.

 

The PK and defense should have always been Shaws. Baumgartner’s record with the D speaks for itself. The defense is at the bottom of the league statistically year after year.

 

Edited November 3, 2021 by DeNiro