If this season bombs, do you support a rebuild ?

[Hairy Kneel]

I don't think the players should take the hit of surviving 2 AHL coaches in a row. 

[Hairy Kneel]

I'm going to reroute back to what we've been missing. JB needs to get Tryamkin signed at the end of his KHL contract which ends next March or April, in time for us for next seasons playoffs. 1st unit pk guy. Shut down guy for either Hughes or OEL. 4M for 2 years (show me deal) should do it. 

Covid messed everything up but we need the big guy. Can play either side. 

 

ps Unfortunately, this year's playoffs look out of reach. 

[danjr]

2 hours ago, MaxVerstappen33 said:

Rebuild meaning keep Petey and Hughs mainly. But that could include Boeser, Pods Hog, Rathbone and Demko.

 

We only need to do a 1/2 rebuild because we already have 2 pieces in Petey and Hughs. That wasn't the case just a few years ago. We have already endured some of the rebuild pain. In 2014/15 a rebuild would have taken 4-6 years minimum. But now it would only take 1-3 years.

 

There will be somebody who says a rebuild means Petey should be traded too. That's wrong. The only reason you are rebuilding is to get players like Petey and Hughs so its insane to start trading them. Trading them is how you become the Oilers.

 

 

You need to have success, then fail, then start to rebuild.
We came close to success......we've been failing, we've been rebuilding, or haven't you watched the team in the last 10 years?

Its really F^*%ing redundant to rebuild, in the midst of rebuilding.

[Ghostsof1915]

Sportsnet 650 talked about something interesting.

Comparing the Canucks to the Av's.

How 2014 they made the playoffs, and they thought the core at the time was fine. Then the team derailed in 2016. 

Roy resigned. 

And they re-jigged, they didn't blow up the team but moved some key pieces to make a better core. Especially on Defence. 

 

Not quite the same, but a good example if the core you have maybe doesn't have the pieces you really need maybe just make a few trades. I just don't think we can find a team as stupid as Ottawa to trade with. (Maybe the Coyotes?) 

 

Edited November 21, 2021 by Ghostsof1915

[MaxVerstappen33]

1 hour ago, Drakrami said:

Never think about that it is the main pieces that are not working? 

They are the highest value players on the team by a large margin. Petey will get back to his old self. His first 2 years plus playoffs was not a fluke. Plus according to some hockey writers, Petey was the best player in the 2017 draft.

 

Either way. You are stuck with the players that you draft. They are priceless trade wise. You'll never get the same value back. Hughs will be and is totally fine too.

 

Its pure insanity to think of touching Petey or Hughs.

[MaxVerstappen33]

10 minutes ago, danjr said:

Its really F^*%ing redundant to rebuild, in the midst of rebuilding.

But we had 2 massive busts in Virtanen and OJ. So we are short at least one top player through the draft.

 

If you have a Kane/Teows Crosby/Malkin Perry/Getzlaf pairing on the team, you are almost guaranteed a cup. Without that pairing you risk mediocrity 

[MaxVerstappen33]

21 minutes ago, Hairy Kneel said:

I'm going to reroute back to what we've been missing. JB needs to get Tryamkin signed at the end of his KHL contract which ends next March or April, in time for us for next seasons playoffs. 1st unit pk guy. Shut down guy for either Hughes or OEL. 4M for 2 years (show me deal) should do it. 

Covid messed everything up but we need the big guy. Can play either side. 

 

ps Unfortunately, this year's playoffs look out of reach. 

What is he getting paid in the KHL ? We should be able to just out bid the KHL.

 

Looks like we were trying to get him for a million bucks a year and weren't willing to over pay

 

https://theprovince.com/sports/hockey/nhl/vancouver-canucks/canucks-nikita-tryamkins-decision-to-take-khl-deal-dripping-in-drama

Edited November 21, 2021 by MaxVerstappen33

[PetterssonOrPeterson]

Our core is still young so I don't think there needs to be another rebuild.

I'd like to see what this team can do with new coaching/management personnel though. 

 

Petey's been awful this year but it's still very early and who knows, maybe he could blow up next year and get back on track.

Everything has been abysmal and he's just another part of that.

[Ghostsof1915]

11 minutes ago, MaxVerstappen33 said:

But we had 2 massive busts in Virtanen and OJ. So we are short at least one top player through the draft.

 

If you have a Kane/Teows Crosby/Malkin Perry/Getzlaf pairing on the team, you are almost guaranteed a cup. Without that pairing you risk mediocrity 

Patrick White, Nathan Smith, Josh Holden, Libor Polasek, Jason Herter, Dan Woodley. 

Those are busts. 

You can't predict injuries. So I give OJ a pass. Yes it still sucks. 

We got almost 300 games out of Jake. Can a GM predict a guy will commit career suicide with his off ice actions. No.

 

Were there better choices? Sure. Ehlers especially. But very easy to say in hindsight. 

Sergachev would look fantastic on this team right now. 

 

 

 

[Hairy Kneel]

30 minutes ago, MaxVerstappen33 said:

What is he getting paid in the KHL ? We should be able to just out bid the KHL.

 

Looks like we were trying to get him for a million bucks a year and weren't willing to over pay

 

https://theprovince.com/sports/hockey/nhl/vancouver-canucks/canucks-nikita-tryamkins-decision-to-take-khl-deal-dripping-in-drama

His early contracts were @1M but must be more now. KHL isn't at the same rate as here. I would guess maybe 2M and tax free probably. And in his home town. 

[beni]

[Toyotasfan]

A 4th line centre that was like Adam Lowrey or Brian Boyle would be a key missing piece the other would be a tough 4th line winger . You add Motte on that line and the 4th line would change the dynamic of the team.

[24K PureCool]

I am already on the blow it all up train. Yes that include Demko, Petey, and Hughes.

[danjr]

7 minutes ago, beni said:

This is so appropriate!

[Hairy Kneel]

1 hour ago, MaxVerstappen33 said:

But we had 2 massive busts in Virtanen and OJ. So we are short at least one top player through the draft.

 

If you have a Kane/Teows Crosby/Malkin Perry/Getzlaf pairing on the team, you are almost guaranteed a cup. Without that pairing you risk mediocrity 

Or Tchuk, he was the most obvious pick. 

[King Heffy]

Rebuild would have to involve trading Petey as he'd be leaving as a UFA anyway.

[appleboy]

I don't think the retool/rebuild has stopped.  Did we make the playoffs last year?

[Timråfan]

For Petey’s sake Green and Benning has to go first.

Petey has probably 50 points less than he would have playing under Sutter in Flames with much less toi. No wonder if he’s frustrated with how Green wants the team to play. 

He needs a fast paced system with quick releases. 
 

Demko and Horvat is definately a must going forward. It’s really hard to find a goalie as Demko and Horvat is almost the only heart left of the hearty players like Marky, Tanev etc…

[MaxVerstappen33]

8 hours ago, King Heffy said:

Rebuild would have to involve trading Petey as he'd be leaving as a UFA anyway.

No they wouldn't. That's insane. And he isn't leaving as a UFA either. 

 

There is no point of a rebuild if you are just going to get rid of the assets you accumulate anyway. Which is exactly what trading Petey is. 

Edited November 21, 2021 by MaxVerstappen33

[EddieVedder]

As long as we keep trying to put hughes in the #1 dman category, we arent getting anywhere.