VegasCanuck Posted July 27, 2022 Share Posted July 27, 2022 2 minutes ago, TmanVan said: I mean... I did't even know he could skate, and hes also 41 years old. But hey, if New Jersey wants him then no issues here! Fixed lol 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post King Heffy Posted July 27, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted July 27, 2022 2 minutes ago, Herberts Vasiljevs said: Just getting the popcorn ready for @King Heffy's Toews post. If we trade for Toews, I'll become a Seattle fan. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
singing chef Posted July 27, 2022 Share Posted July 27, 2022 1 hour ago, eeeeergh said: Idk why you've been asking for this - its literally never going to happen, ever. No team is going to go on record saying "here's exactly what we offered" nor is the team on the other side saying "here was the offer we got". It would be stupid b/c you'd open yourself up to so much unnecessary hindsight criticism + it shows your hand. The closest thing you have is insiders with generally decent track records of calling things before they happen (proof that they actually have ppl that they talk to within the teams). Satiar Shah - who reported that thats what the offer was, is one of the "more reliable" people, as is Elliott Friedman. YES - that's EXACTLY the point I'm making. There is no real knowledge of what was offered; only speculation. This is why it's irritating when posters say " we should have taken the (blank and blank and a first offer), and now it's off the table we're hooped. We just don't know what was out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TmanVan Posted July 27, 2022 Share Posted July 27, 2022 13 minutes ago, VegasCanuck said: Okay, here, rip this to shreds: Trade: To Vancouver: J Toews 50% retained To Chicago Dickinson 2024 2nd 2025 4th (Conditional on Resigning / effectiveness of Toews) Trade: To Vancouver Severson Mukhamadullin 2023 1st round 2025 3rd round To NJ JT Miller Trade: To Vancouver Shattenkirk To Anaheim Myers 2023 4th round pick from Rangers New 2022 / 23 Lineup Forwards Podkolzin / Pettersson / Boeser Pearson / Horvat / Garland Kuzmenko / Toews / Mikheyev Joshua / Lazar / Hoglander Dowling Defense Hughes / Severson OEL / Shattenkirk Rathbone / Schenn Dermott Goal Demko / Martin LTIR Ferland Poolman (if he's healthy, he competes for a spot on the right side, if he can't out perform the guys who are there, we trade or waive him and send to Abbotsford. Mukhamadullin spends a year in Abbotsford maturing and getting ready to replace Schenn when his contract expires next summer. $2,906,667 in remaining cap space. Okay everyone, rip it apart! In: Toews at 50% retained Severson Shattenkirk Mukmahdullin 1st round pick 3rd round pick Out: Dickinson Miller Myers 2nd round pick 4th round pick 4th round pick On paper its not terrible. It manages to keep us competitive, finds a 3c, improves the defense overall, gets some future assets, and clears cap space all at the same time. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted July 27, 2022 Share Posted July 27, 2022 10 minutes ago, singing chef said: YES - that's EXACTLY the point I'm making. There is no real knowledge of what was offered; only speculation. This is why it's irritating when posters say " we should have taken the (blank and blank and a first offer), and now it's off the table we're hooped. We just don't know what was out there. Are you saying that “you guys don’t have all the information”? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kobayashi Maru Posted July 27, 2022 Share Posted July 27, 2022 (edited) I would have to think that Seth Jones would be one of the more perfect fits for Quinn Hughes on the right side and definitely doesn't fit the Chicago rebuild timeline. He is only 27 and paid until 33. Now he is a little overpaid, but if Chicago is in full rebuild then maybe they can help a bit there. What about a three way deal with NYI:To Vancouver Seth Jones (1M per year retained by Chicago) To New York Islanders JT Miller To Chicago New York Islanders 1st Bode Wilde Nils Hoglander The following would be a pretty major upgrade to our right side D: Hughes Jones OEL Myers (Maybe we can still snag Severson in other ways) Rathbone Schenn Extras: Dermott Poolman Edited July 27, 2022 by Kobayashi Maru 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VegasCanuck Posted July 27, 2022 Share Posted July 27, 2022 2 minutes ago, Kobayashi Maru said: I would have to think that Seth Jones would be one of the more perfect fits for Quinn Hughes on the right side. He is only 27 and paid until 33. Now he is a little overpaid, but if Chicago is in full rebuild then maybe they can help a bit there. What about a three way deal with NYI: To Vancouver Seth Jones (1M per year retained by Chicago) To New York Islanders JT Miller To Chicago New York Islanders 1st Bode Wilde Nils Hoglander The following would be a pretty major upgrade to our right side D: Hughes Jones OEL Myers (Maybe we can still snag Severson in other ways) Rathbone Schenn Extras: Dermott Poolman Even though Chicago wasn't a very good team last year, minus 37 is an impressive number for Jones, especially after he was minus 18 the year before in Columbus who wasn't horrible at the time. At the moment, his career might be heading in the wrong direction to lock into a 8 year, 9.5 million dollar contract, even with 1 million retained, considering the full NMC that he wouldn't likely be willing to leave behind in any potential trade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted July 27, 2022 Share Posted July 27, 2022 4 minutes ago, Kobayashi Maru said: I would have to think that Seth Jones would be one of the more perfect fits for Quinn Hughes on the right side and definitely doesn't fit the Chicago rebuild timeline. He is only 27 and paid until 33. Now he is a little overpaid, but if Chicago is in full rebuild then maybe they can help a bit there. What about a three way deal with NYI:To Vancouver Seth Jones (1M per year retained by Chicago) To New York Islanders JT Miller To Chicago New York Islanders 1st Bode Wilde Nils Hoglander The following would be a pretty major upgrade to our right side D: Hughes Jones OEL Myers (Maybe we can still snag Severson in other ways) Rathbone Schenn Extras: Dermott Poolman Jones would be a great partner for Hughes. Get up JR! It’s time to - Get ‘er done! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Heffy Posted July 27, 2022 Share Posted July 27, 2022 1 minute ago, VegasCanuck said: Even though Chicago wasn't a very good team last year, minus 37 is an impressive number for Jones, especially after he was minus 18 the year before in Columbus who wasn't horrible at the time. At the moment, his career might be heading in the wrong direction to lock into a 8 year, 9.5 million dollar contract, even with 1 million retained, considering the full NMC that he wouldn't likely be willing to leave behind in any potential trade. He also has some pretty extreme political views. Vancouver wouldn't be a good fit off the ice. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RWJC Posted July 27, 2022 Share Posted July 27, 2022 1 hour ago, -Vintage Canuck- said: 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RWJC Posted July 27, 2022 Share Posted July 27, 2022 (edited) 41 minutes ago, VegasCanuck said: Okay, here, rip this to shreds: Trade: To Vancouver: J Toews 50% retained To Chicago Dickinson 2024 2nd 2025 4th (Conditional on Resigning / effectiveness of Toews) Trade: To Vancouver Severson Mukhamadullin 2023 1st round 2025 3rd round To NJ JT Miller Trade: To Vancouver Shattenkirk To Anaheim Myers 2023 4th round pick from Rangers New 2022 / 23 Lineup Forwards Podkolzin / Pettersson / Boeser Pearson / Horvat / Garland Kuzmenko / Toews / Mikheyev Joshua / Lazar / Hoglander Dowling Defense Hughes / Severson OEL / Shattenkirk Rathbone / Schenn Dermott Goal Demko / Martin LTIR Ferland Poolman (if he's healthy, he competes for a spot on the right side, if he can't out perform the guys who are there, we trade or waive him and send to Abbotsford. Mukhamadullin spends a year in Abbotsford maturing and getting ready to replace Schenn when his contract expires next summer. $2,906,667 in remaining cap space. Okay everyone, rip it apart! I like it except for the Toews trade. if you’re sending a package like that somewhere it should be for something lateral with a bit of future returned as well. Not a fan of Toews at this point in his career Edited July 27, 2022 by RWJC 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VegasCanuck Posted July 27, 2022 Share Posted July 27, 2022 So, just to confirm, we haven't traded him in the last 15 min? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted July 27, 2022 Share Posted July 27, 2022 12 minutes ago, Kobayashi Maru said: I would have to think that Seth Jones would be one of the more perfect fits for Quinn Hughes on the right side and definitely doesn't fit the Chicago rebuild timeline. He is only 27 and paid until 33. Now he is a little overpaid, but if Chicago is in full rebuild then maybe they can help a bit there. What about a three way deal with NYI:To Vancouver Seth Jones (1M per year retained by Chicago) To New York Islanders JT Miller To Chicago New York Islanders 1st Bode Wilde Nils Hoglander The following would be a pretty major upgrade to our right side D: Hughes Jones OEL Myers (Maybe we can still snag Severson in other ways) Rathbone Schenn Extras: Dermott Poolman 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grandmaster Posted July 27, 2022 Share Posted July 27, 2022 1 hour ago, 48MPHSlapShot said: What possible reason is there to say this publicly? They want him to stay. His agent is playing hardball and maybe Miller can tell his agent to ease up? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kobayashi Maru Posted July 27, 2022 Share Posted July 27, 2022 11 minutes ago, VegasCanuck said: Even though Chicago wasn't a very good team last year, minus 37 is an impressive number for Jones, especially after he was minus 18 the year before in Columbus who wasn't horrible at the time. At the moment, his career might be heading in the wrong direction to lock into a 8 year, 9.5 million dollar contract, even with 1 million retained, considering the full NMC that he wouldn't likely be willing to leave behind in any potential trade. Chicago was trash last year and I think Columbus wasn't good enough before that. In either location, there wasn't the insulation for him to not just be out in every situation paired with other subpar partners. Paired with Hughes on PP1 and OEL on PK1 would balance the D out pretty well. 9.5 is super steep, but 8-8.5 is in Miller territory and he would arguably fill a greater need on our team plus gain us 2-3 years which is better for our window. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook007 Posted July 27, 2022 Share Posted July 27, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, 48MPHSlapShot said: What possible reason is there to say this publicly? Negotiation tactics... and if it doesn't work, fans and possible suitors are aware... It may even be a 'we are open for business' sign... Edited July 27, 2022 by spook007 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tas Posted July 27, 2022 Share Posted July 27, 2022 46 minutes ago, Jester13 said: Wouldn't the NYR offer be a good example of the value a contending team would offer, though? And that's with an entire year left; this time he'll be a rental. we have no idea if nyr even made an offer. are you talking this offseason or last tdl? desperation come at tdl, and despite the season the rangers had last year, they weren't a real contender, desperate to capitalize on a window. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angry Goose Posted July 27, 2022 Share Posted July 27, 2022 I do think think trading JTM a developing C that can slot in the third line would be the way to go. Lundell (FLA) Newhook (COL) Drury & Suzuki (CAR) Chytll (NYR) If they go for tweeners from CAR example, re-sign Lammikko. Or heck re-sign Lammikko and trade for Lysell from BOS! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook007 Posted July 27, 2022 Share Posted July 27, 2022 11 minutes ago, VegasCanuck said: So, just to confirm, we haven't traded him in the last 15 min? Any minute now.... 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VegasCanuck Posted July 27, 2022 Share Posted July 27, 2022 1 minute ago, spook007 said: Negotiation tactics... and if it doesn't work, fans and possible suitors are aware... Yup, they are playing the blame game. Team wants fans to make sure that they understand the reasoning for not jumping to extend him, Miller's agent releasing a statement a few days ago tells me that Miller really does like it here and would like to stay. There are risks on both sides if they go into the next season without him extended. All it takes is one injury to kill all trade possibilities and set us back a year or two on being really competitive. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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