D.B Cooper Posted June 29, 2022 Share Posted June 29, 2022 29 minutes ago, Mustard Tiger said: Have you seen what a 2nd gets you at the TDL? He's no Saint, but come on lmao Ok you are right. A 3rd then. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKSR Posted June 29, 2022 Share Posted June 29, 2022 10 minutes ago, Alflives said: Florida or Carolina are my guess for JTM. Lundell out of Florida is the guy I want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CRAZY_4_NAZZY Posted June 29, 2022 Share Posted June 29, 2022 Seeing what Fiala went for today, part of me is sort of prepared that Allvin may not get exactly this drastic full package like many (media/fans) have exaggerated that it will be. Part of me isn't convinced we will see such a drastic improvement over the Chytil, Lundqvist, 1st offer. Seeing how NYR is now reportedly interested in Dubois (who may be a better fit in general), LA getting Fiala, and Washington considering Kadri, some options are potentially drying up. The bidding war may not be as big as I had first thought it would be. Should be interesting how things shake out in the next week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicklas Bo Hunter Posted June 29, 2022 Share Posted June 29, 2022 Dreger is reporting that we are interested in young players and not picks. Would not be shocked to see a return like: Necas+bear+Morrow 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mll Posted June 29, 2022 Share Posted June 29, 2022 1 minute ago, CRAZY_4_NAZZY said: Seeing what Fiala went for today, part of me is sort of prepared that Allvin may not get exactly this drastic full package like many (media/fans) have exaggerated that it will be. Part of me isn't convinced we will see such a drastic improvement over the Chytil, Lundqvist, 1st offer. Seeing how NYR is now reportedly interested in Dubois (who may be a better fit in general), LA getting Fiala, and Washington considering Kadri, some options are potentially drying up. The bidding war may not be as big as I had first thought it would be. Should be interesting how things shake out in the next week. Satiar Shah responding to some comments over twitter: Could get a bit more for Miller maybe but probably not significantly more. It’s usually how these trades are 2 really good pieces or 3-4 pretty good ones Ya but the Kings are extending Fiala so they paid that price because they’re getting security. This is a really good package, it’s like Schneider & the 19th overall pick, something NYR didn’t want to do 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mustard Tiger Posted June 30, 2022 Share Posted June 30, 2022 46 minutes ago, Devron said: Would not be surprised at all Imagine they went after Kadri in ufa lmfao 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted June 30, 2022 Share Posted June 30, 2022 9 minutes ago, Nicklas Bo Hunter said: Dreger is reporting that we are interested in young players and not picks. Would not be shocked to see a return like: Necas+bear+Morrow This would be fantastic return for Miller. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mustard Tiger Posted June 30, 2022 Share Posted June 30, 2022 (edited) 4 minutes ago, mll said: Satiar Shah responding to some comments over twitter: Could get a bit more for Miller maybe but probably not significantly more. It’s usually how these trades are 2 really good pieces or 3-4 pretty good ones Ya but the Kings are extending Fiala so they paid that price because they’re getting security. This is a really good package, it’s like Schneider & the 19th overall pick, something NYR didn’t want to do I would take Schneider and 19. As long as we don't blow any cap saving on ufas Edited June 30, 2022 by Mustard Tiger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MeanSeanBean Posted June 30, 2022 Share Posted June 30, 2022 1 hour ago, Smashian Kassian said: The more I think about Malkin hitting UFA the more I like the idea of getting the haul for JT & bringing Geno in as the replacement. Sat has mentioned the most the Canucks would be willing to go is 6 years, and Zibanejad is the obvious comparable. Malkin on the other hand is turning 36 and wouldnt be able to command as much term So would u rather 8.5 x 6 for Miller? or maybe, 7.5-8 x 2 for Malkin - plus the package you get for Miller? Geno's not a 90-100 pt player at this stage, but was still PPG. And when u talk about building a culture, he's been there before and won't be coming to a team to just collect a paycheck & lose. Malkin for 2. Have him mentor Petey like Sundin did for the Sedins. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashian Kassian Posted June 30, 2022 Share Posted June 30, 2022 40 minutes ago, RWJC said: But what good is 60-70pts from a guy who will likely also spend a fair bit of time on IR? The loss of that level of player offsets the point production and invariably creates another top role hole to fill. Imho, money and TOI is better spent on someone who we will have long term and integrate into our core group going forward. Malkin on the Nux is akin to Sundin or Messier 2.0. he’d just be playing out his last hurrah, and I think that belongs back in PIT if they can make the money work. Your never going to fully replace Miller with 1 player, the way you do it is by bringing in another point producing top 6/top line fwd, and Pettersson taking a step to be consistent all year. Pettersson is the replacement. Injuries are a concern with Malkin, that's also why you have some leverage to get him on a short term deal (on top of his age). A Sundin 2.0 scenario is what you want, except Malkin is a little younger (35 vs 37 for Mats) & he's not taking the break to decide if he wants to play, so he should have more game left. Ideally you get 70+ points out of Malkin - or atleast that pace - to help replace the production lost in the short term, he can help shake up the culture & be someone the young players learn from as they take those leadership roles (Petey, Hughes, Podz), and you also maintain the flexibility in the long term you wouldn't have with Miller. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashian Kassian Posted June 30, 2022 Share Posted June 30, 2022 Carolina is really interesting, and Necas as the centerpiece seems obvious. He would be a nice get. The only thing is would Dundon pay Miller? And if they aren't extending him would they even make the deal? I have doubts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Me_ Posted June 30, 2022 Share Posted June 30, 2022 1 hour ago, R3aL said: I just can’t imagine the rangers not being the ones to make the deal happen. Schneider + for Miller just makes so much sense for both sides. I’m convinced this is the deal that gets done. Especially if they lose Copp. but if they target PLD that would kill this Winnipeg offers rich young players in the tip top shape of their physical career and pockets full of cash, the excellent museum of human rights, three good restaurants, and a couple of bars where if the crowd isn’t in one, they’re in the other. New York is a tetramall from downtown to midtown. THOUSANDS. of restaurants of all Worley cultures. Idannaaaaaaaaaaa….. Maybe the PLD is on to something… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mustard Tiger Posted June 30, 2022 Share Posted June 30, 2022 13 minutes ago, Nicklas Bo Hunter said: Dreger is reporting that we are interested in young players and not picks. Would not be shocked to see a return like: Necas+bear+Morrow Yuck. In the grand scheme of things yes you want guys who can play right now. But it doesn't need to be from the initial Miller trade. I would 100000000x rather get picks then waste a dime of cap space on bear. 3/4 of the league who don't want Miller, Would want draft picks. You flip those picks from the initial Miller trade to target literally any player in the league. Media needs to learn this. It's not hard to understand Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Me_ Posted June 30, 2022 Share Posted June 30, 2022 4 minutes ago, Smashian Kassian said: Your never going to fully replace Miller with 1 player, the way you do it is by bringing in another point producing top 6/top line fwd, and Pettersson taking a step to be consistent all year. Pettersson is the replacement. Injuries are a concern with Malkin, that's also why you have some leverage to get him on a short term deal (on top of his age). A Sundin 2.0 scenario is what you want, except Malkin is a little younger (35 vs 37 for Mats) & he's not taking the break to decide if he wants to play, so he should have more game left. Ideally you get 70+ points out of Malkin - or atleast that pace - to help replace the production lost in the short term, he can help shake up the culture & be someone the young players learn from as they take those leadership roles (Petey, Hughes, Podz), and you also maintain the flexibility in the long term you wouldn't have with Miller. Why not just sign Miller… Why when you have one of the shiniest toys in the sandbox would ever want to exchange it for three smaller toys? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flickyoursedin Posted June 30, 2022 Share Posted June 30, 2022 16 minutes ago, CRAZY_4_NAZZY said: Seeing what Fiala went for today, part of me is sort of prepared that Allvin may not get exactly this drastic full package like many (media/fans) have exaggerated that it will be. Part of me isn't convinced we will see such a drastic improvement over the Chytil, Lundqvist, 1st offer. Seeing how NYR is now reportedly interested in Dubois (who may be a better fit in general), LA getting Fiala, and Washington considering Kadri, some options are potentially drying up. The bidding war may not be as big as I had first thought it would be. Should be interesting how things shake out in the next week. JT Miller is better than Fiala. Faber>Lundkvist LA Kings 1rst>NYR 1rst And Chytil is limited offensively and can’t win facoffs he’s looking like a bottom 6 winger. I’d honestly rather have Faber, LA’s 1rst and the cap space then Lundkvist, NYR 1rst and Chytil. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flickyoursedin Posted June 30, 2022 Share Posted June 30, 2022 10 minutes ago, Alflives said: This would be fantastic return for Miller. No Alf stay with me on the Necas, DeAngelo and Morrow return ;)! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashian Kassian Posted June 30, 2022 Share Posted June 30, 2022 1 minute ago, Me_ said: Why not just sign Miller… Why when you have one of the shiniest toys in the sandbox would ever want to exchange it for three smaller toys? Because 1) you maintain flexibility in the long term, when Miller's contract might be an issue. 2) it's a shakeup to the team/culture 3) you replace the production (or close enough to it) AND get a haul of assets. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RWJC Posted June 30, 2022 Share Posted June 30, 2022 7 minutes ago, Smashian Kassian said: Your never going to fully replace Miller with 1 player, the way you do it is by bringing in another point producing top 6/top line fwd, and Pettersson taking a step to be consistent all year. Pettersson is the replacement. Injuries are a concern with Malkin, that's also why you have some leverage to get him on a short term deal (on top of his age). A Sundin 2.0 scenario is what you want, except Malkin is a little younger (35 vs 37 for Mats) & he's not taking the break to decide if he wants to play, so he should have more game left. Ideally you get 70+ points out of Malkin - or atleast that pace - to help replace the production lost in the short term, he can help shake up the culture & be someone the young players learn from as they take those leadership roles (Petey, Hughes, Podz), and you also maintain the flexibility in the long term you wouldn't have with Miller. I hear what you’re saying and it makes sense to me. Still, I’d rather see us go another route. if I was Malkin I’d want to chase one last cup, rather than sign my retirement deal to help out my old GM. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Me_ Posted June 30, 2022 Share Posted June 30, 2022 2 minutes ago, Mustard Tiger said: Yuck. In the grand scheme of things yes you want guys who can play right now. But it doesn't need to be from the initial Miller trade. I would 100000000x rather get picks then waste a dime of cap space on bear. 3/4 of the league who don't want Miller, Would want draft picks. You flip those picks from the initial Miller trade to target literally any player in the league. Media needs to learn this. It's not hard to understand Per! Peh! Tchu! Al! Ree! buil!! Per! Peh! Tchu! Al! Ree! Bui…….. Oh wait…. I thought this was a Cup aspiration team rally. Sorry wrong room. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herberts Vasiljevs Posted June 30, 2022 Share Posted June 30, 2022 6 minutes ago, Alflives said: This would be fantastic return for Miller. Agreed. I feel like there's a lot of pressure on Carolina too. While it would also be smart to be patient with a player like Necas (because he's a hell of a player), getting ousted in the 2nd round was a MAJOR disappointment for a team that had much higher expectations. A player like Miller could have helped them win that series against the Rags, whereas Necas was nowhere to be found. Necas might benefit from a change of scenery. And he definitely fits the mantra of getting younger and faster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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