[Rumour] Bo Horvat Trade/Contract Talks

[stawns]

4 minutes ago, SilentSam said:

He dosent,  if rarely,  sticks up for teammates,.   It’s starts to change at a slow pace ,  but I put that on bringing a tenacious Miller, Garland, and even OEL has that moxy.

 

if it’s not Horvat,.  It’s Boeser bringing us an Alex Tuch type power forward..

personally I love watching Trenin play on Nashville..  but this season he has embedded himself with Nashville..

becoming a Neely type forward.

I certainly don't see Miller standing up for teammates

[SilentSam]

Just now, King Heffy said:

Since we're paying Ferland anyway, maybe he can help out a bit there in an advisory role.

I’d rather bring. Bertuzzi in as a Skills coach..

Bert will tell you himself it’s the mental aspect of the power game more than anything.… you also learn from errors.

 

[rekker]

11 minutes ago, nergish said:

Matt Barzal plays with so much speed, I would love to see some of that injected into our lineup. What a story that would be: local boy comes home!

 

 

But what on earth would we have to add to Bo Horvat to get Barzal? There's no way it would be a one-for-one.

Unless we can convince them Horvat is the missing piece come playoff time...

 

Good question. I imagine this kind of trade would need to happen in the off season so that Bo can agree to an extension. If it's Bo agreeing to an extension, I think one for one is fair. Brazal does not come without a few warts as well. He has been criticized for his perimeter play and week defensive play. If the Isles are in win now mode, Bo is quite a catch. 

[SilentSam]

3 minutes ago, stawns said:

I certainly don't see Miller standing up for teammates

He takes the matter into his hands BEFORE the pugilists try to change the game..

or if needed, he will .

 

Goes to toe..  even far outside his limits.

 

this is a sample :   His ethic has always been top notch 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[-Vintage Canuck-]

Horvat is the only player remaining on the Canucks roster that wasn't acquired by Benning.

[tas]

10 minutes ago, SilentSam said:

I’d rather bring. Bertuzzi in as a Skills coach..

Bert will tell you himself it’s the mental aspect of the power game more than anything.… you also learn from errors.

 

are you going to be his designated driver to get him to and from practice? I hope you like qanon conspiracies.

[stawns]

5 minutes ago, SilentSam said:

He takes the matter into his hands BEFORE the pugilists try to change the game..

or if needed, he will .

 

Goes to toe..  even far outside his limits.

 

this is a sample :   His ethic has always been top notch 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I don't see that from Miller, sorry.  I did see Bo in a lot of scrums Las night though.

 

There sure are a lot of people who think slamming sticks, doors and screaming obscenities equates to "leadership" on this board.  The mythology of JT Miller I guess

[mll]

1 hour ago, ZH96 said:

Alex Goligoski and Victor Rask are UFAs after this season and won’t be kept. That’s another $9 Million in cap space right there. One of Nick Bjugstad or Nico Sturm will also walk as a UFA which creates another $750 to $900 K. As they need to make forwards spots for Rossi and Boldy; Greenway will probably have his RFA rights traded for a pick to help create room for them. That’s another $2.1 Million in space right there. One of Jordie Benn or

Jon Merrill will walk as a UFA and that’s another $850 to $900 K. So Minnesota will clear AT LEAST $12,700,000 to compensate for the Suter and Parise buyouts of $12,750,000. Add in that they already currently sit today with $2,251,914 in cap space and that leaves them with at least $2,000,000 to $2,401,914 in cap space. Then add on the $5.1 Million they’ll clear in involving Fiala in a trade for a high-end forward ie. Miller or Boeser. There’s at least $7,100,000 to $7,500,000 right there to take on Miller at $5,250,000 or take on Boeser and re-sign him long-term for the likely 8 years x $7.5 Million he wants. 
 

Sure most U.S. players are from the state of Minnesota but Guerin is still lying about liking having homeboy Minnesota players. GMs lie to media 24/7. As my list showed Guerin (who’s only been GM since August 2019) since has gone out and acquired a Minnesota native player in every way possible.
Draft, Free Agency, Trade, and Waivers.
And what do you mean Minnesota doesn’t have a playmaking center and Boeser needs one to succeed?
Joel Player Name Ek does a fine job of that as does Victor Rask who currently has 6 points in 11 games. Not to mention Rem Pitlick is a natural center who has 9 points in 12 games and Frederick Gaudreau is a center who can do everything out there with his energetic all-around play and has 10 points in 21 games. As for Boeser he can produce no matter who his center is and would not struggle in Minnesota. He is an underrated passer and playmaker due to his heady vision and hands in tight. His current struggles have to do with a mental struggle and Travis Green. As for Kevin Fiala he is on the block because they already have a plethora of small, shifty, skilled forwards on the roster and in the system; plus he’s struggling right now and they want an all-around impact top forward to push them over the edge for a playoff run. Rebuilding? Wouldn’t call it quite that. A team that’s rebuilding doesn’t go out and sign solid veteran D-men in Goligoski, Kulikov, Benn, and Merrill. And then trade for a solid veteran forward like Bjugstad while also signing F.Gaudreau and claiming Rem Pitlick. If they were truly rebuilding they also wouldn’t be looking at a 28 year old Miller who has 1.5 seasons left before being a UFA; and willing to move a 25 year old Fiala who’s got RFA status , in return. Fiala who also has more skill and upside than Miller and only one year ago was playing like a top ten player in the league. Minnesota is re-tooling on the fly and trying to get over the hump and win now while also bringing along the future core of..

 

Kaprizov -Rossi-

Boldy -Player Name Ek- Duhaime

Re.Pitlick -Hartman-

 

Brodin - Dumba

Lambos - Addison

O’Rourke/D.Hunt - Spurgeon

 

Kahkonen

 

That roster is not realistic and contradicts Guerin.  He's regularly interviewed and has been consistent in his message.

Guerin insists that he won't rush prospects.  He says he wants them to become difference makers and not just guys who play in the NHL.  He explains that the best place to develop is in the AHL where they will get the minutes they need.  They claimed Pitlick off waivers to make sure they wouldn't be giving one of their open spots to a prospect.  

They already have an understanding with Goligoski to bring him back at a lower cap hit per Russo.  He was signed because it's short term deal and gives time for their prospects to continue to develop.

 

Pitlick plays wing not C.  Rask is regularly a healthy scratch and won't be brought back.  

 

EriksonEk is a checker.  They really wanted to make him work with Kaprizov but it didn't click.  He's certainly not a playmaker. 

 

Gaudreau is already 28 and has never been a linenup regular before now.  He's ideally a 4th liner but is getting far more minutes and a bigger role than he should because of their lack of C.   

They are interested in Miller because he is a C which they need and is on a good contract and would bridge the gap to Rossi.  Being on a short term deal helps them.  Fiala is a winger and not a C + as RFA he would be looking for a long term deal.

 

Guerin traded Kunin drafted 15th overall in 2016 because they wanted that high 2nd round pick towards their rebuild.  They also moved Donato for a pick.  Last season he loaded up on UFAs on the hope of trading them at the deadline for additional picks but the pandemic put a damper into that + the Wild were solidly in a playoff spot.  

 

The Bjugstad trade was for a conditional 7th round pick.  They also didn't have to give up the pick because the conditions were not met.  He re-signed for cheap as depth player and has been a healthy scratch at times.  Bjugstad's agent had to convince Guerin to make the trade.  That's the only trade where they were possibly going to lose a pick.  Otherwise it has either been hockey trades or players traded to get additional picks/swapped for better picks.

 

His mandate is to build a perennial elite Cup contending team.  Ownership is more than fed up of only making the playoffs and has agreed to a proper rebuild.  That's why prospects won't be rushed.  

 

They still want to be competitive - having a winning culture is part of building a perennial contender.  Guerin was particularly shocked when he came over and felt there was a country club atmosphere where they had players who were there for personal reasons vs for hockey reasons.

 

Edited November 29, 2021 by mll

[SilentSam]

16 minutes ago, tas said:

are you going to be his designated driver to get him to and from practice? I hope you like qanon conspiracies.

OMG ..  really?

[48MPHSlapShot]

Anyone is available for the right price, but can we please get some decent managememt first? I don't want a dude thats likely months, if not weeks or days away from being unemployed pulling the trigger on a deal like this.

[Westcoastcanucks777]

“The whole fan base are prepping to get hammered”

 

-Farhan

[SergioMomesso]

Bo and Brock to NYI for Barzal and a pick

 

Get er done Jimbo

[Tortorella's Rant]

If this team gets blown up I'm done paying attention to them for a long, long time. We already went through a 'rebuild,' the last thing we need is another one. 

[appleboy]

4 minutes ago, Tortorella's Rant said:

If this team gets blown up I'm done paying attention to them for a long, long time. We already went through a 'rebuild,' the last thing we need is another one. 

When did they do a rebuild? That is the problem.  They never did do a rebuild.

[Hairy Kneel]

So... the rift is true then. Between JT and Bo. 

[Tortorella's Rant]

2 minutes ago, appleboy said:

When did they do a rebuild? That is the problem.  They never did do a rebuild.

Whatever the hell that was a few years ago. 

[tas]

48 minutes ago, SilentSam said:

OMG ..  really?

kinda yeah. 

[appleboy]

6 minutes ago, Tortorella's Rant said:

Whatever the hell that was a few years ago. 

Jim made it clear when he got here that a rebuild was never in the picture.  They have tried every year to make the playoffs.  Adding players and trading draft picks.

This is the result.

[NMHockey]

43 minutes ago, mll said:

 

That roster is not realistic and contradicts Guerin.  He's regularly interviewed and has been consistent in his message.

Guerin insists that he won't rush prospects.  He says he wants them to become difference makers and not just guys who play in the NHL.  He explains that the best place to develop is in the AHL where they will get the minutes they need.  They claimed Pitlick off waivers to make sure they wouldn't be giving one of their open spots to a prospect.  

They already have an understanding with Goligoski to bring him back at a lower cap hit per Russo.  He was signed because it's short term deal and gives time for their prospects to continue to develop.

 

Pitlick plays wing not C.  Rask is regularly a healthy scratch and won't be brought back.  

 

EriksonEk is a checker.  They really wanted to make him work with Kaprizov but it didn't click.  He's certainly not a playmaker. 

 

Gaudreau is already 28 and has never been a linenup regular before now.  He's ideally a 4th liner but is getting far more minutes and a bigger role than he should because of their lack of C.   

They are interested in Miller because he is a C which they need and is on a good contract and would bridge the gap to Rossi.  Being on a short term deal helps them.  Fiala is a winger and not a C + as RFA he would be looking for a long term deal.

 

Guerin traded Kunin drafted 15th overall in 2016 because they wanted that high 2nd round pick towards their rebuild.  They also moved Donato for a pick.  Last season he loaded up on UFAs on the hope of trading them at the deadline for additional picks but the pandemic put a damper into that + the Wild were solidly in a playoff spot.  

 

The Bjugstad trade was for a conditional 7th round pick.  They also didn't have to give up the pick because the conditions were not met.  He re-signed for cheap as depth player and has been a healthy scratch at times.  Bjugstad's agent had to convince Guerin to make the trade.  That's the only trade where they were possibly going to lose a pick.  Otherwise it has either been hockey trades or players traded to get additional picks/swapped for better picks.

 

His mandate is to build a perennial elite Cup contending team.  Ownership is more than fed up of only making the playoffs and has agreed to a proper rebuild.  That's why prospects won't be rushed.  

 

They still want to be competitive - having a winning culture is part of building a perennial contender.  Guerin was particularly shocked when he came over and felt there was a country club atmosphere where they had players who were there for personal reasons vs for hockey reasons.

 

If you want to bridge the gap for a top prospect forward like Rossi. You go and get a steady decent leader forward in Free Agency. Like they would have if that was the case; by signing someone like who Boston signed in Nosek and Haula. Going out and trading a 25 year old former top 15 pick forward with explosive skating ability and loads of creativity  in Fiala, for a 28 year old bonafide 1st line W/C power forward and leader and top 20 in the league point getter?? That is not rebuilding. Everyone tries to bring or keep at least one or two top prospects into their system as best they can no matter if they’re contending or rebuilding. Guerin is still going to keep the media on a leash and try and build that team up quickly. Again no rebuilding team signs that many quality veteran D-men at once. And look at the standings if you don’t believe me; the Wild are 8th in the league and going for it. Are you forgetting even without Rossi, Boldy, Lambos, etc. in the NHL yet that the Wild have Kaprizov, Brodin, Dumba, Spurgeon, EriksonEk, Zuccarello, M.Foligno, Hartman, Talbot. Players like Dumba, Zuccarello, M,Foligno, and especially Talbot would have been shipped off for picks and prospects by now if they were really rebuilding. By the way if EriksonEk was just a “checker” than they wouldn’t have given him an 8 year x $5,250,000 contract. He’s paid the same as Miller LOL. And I already said Rask will not be brought back and him along with everyone else i mentioned is still quality playmaking depth up the middle. They claimed Rem Pitlick because everyone know someone would claim him and that Nashville was stupid to waive him. Look at how he’s been flying around even more since joining the Wild; he’s also listed in this order as a C/LW. And like I said he has 9 points in 12 games… Bjugstad was acquired for only a conditional 7th because he was coming off a brutal injury riddled season and like I said Guerins attention to Minnesota born players is obvious. So what Goligoski and him have a connection from Pittsburgh? If it was to do with a Pittsburgh connection that much than Guerin would have nabbed an ex-Penguins. forward and D like Ceci and Sceviour. Frederick Gaudreau is producing because he’s an under the radar late bloomer who’s finally getting a bigger look. He’s a natural center with experience in the Cup Final and in playing a skilled role in all his previous stops before the NHL. Once he got to the NHL he had to play a checking and aggressive style to make the cut but now he’s finding his offensive touch again as well. And as far as what you said about Bjugstad here’s a goal of his from a day ago… and here’s a clip of EriksonEk a little while ago considering you think he’s just a checker…

 

 

[stawns]

38 minutes ago, Tortorella's Rant said:

If this team gets blown up I'm done paying attention to them for a long, long time. We already went through a 'rebuild,' the last thing we need is another one. 

I don't think you need to worry about that, they're not "blowing" anything up.  They ,might replace the coach and make a couple of trades to balance out the roster, but that's as far as I see it going, personally.