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19 minutes ago, 48MPHSlapShot said:

How disgusting what he did at the draft was cannot be overstated. By selecting Mailloux, Bergevin and his staff tried ro invalidate the pain and trauma that the Mailloux's victim must have felt, as well as taking steps to normalize the "win at all costs" mentality that allowed for the Kyle Beach situation to happen.

 

If you're for Bergevin, then you're cool with all of this 

Yeah this guy is toxic waste. I'd rather have a capable assistant GM as a rookie GM than Bergevin

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https://www.thescore.com/nhl/news/2205292
 

 

Marc Bergevin's time with the Montreal Canadiens has come to an end following nearly 10 years. After taking over as the general manager of the illustrious franchise in May 2012, he became one of the NHL's most active executives.

Montreal had a roller coaster of success and failure during his time, making the playoffs six times while reaching the Stanley Cup Final once and the Eastern Conference Final twice. Bergevin certainly made a number of massive moves to try to improve the Habs during his time at the helm, but he wasn't able to piece everything together to form a championship roster.

With the Canadiens set to usher in a new era under newly hired vice president of hockey operations Jeff Gorton, let's take a look back at five of Bergevin's franchise-altering moves during his tenure.

Dealing Subban for Weber

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There were rumblings at the time that the relationship between P.K. Subban and the Canadiens organization wasn't great, but trading one of the most popular players the franchise had in years still seemed like a long shot. Not only was Subban electric on the ice, but fans adored him.

In June 2016, moments after the shocking Taylor Hall-for-Adam Larsson trade, it was announced that the Canadiens dealt Subban to the Nashville Predators for Shea Weber. Similar to Subban in Montreal, Weber was the face of the franchise in Nashville and a true legend of the team. The deal sent shockwaves throughout the NHL, receiving mixed feedback.

To this day, people still debate who won the trade. Ultimately, it seemed to work out pretty well for both sides. Subban played an integral role in Nashville during his first season en route to a Stanley Cup Final appearance. The Canadiens got their future captain and one of the league's most respected veterans. Fast forward to today, and Subban is no longer the dominant Norris Trophy-caliber defenseman he once was, while Weber is on the verge of retirement due to injury.

It's fair to say Bergevin took a massive gamble and came away a winner. The fanbase was shocked at first but quickly welcomed and adored Weber. He anchored the blue line over the last five seasons and did everything that was asked of him. You can't ask for much more than that.

Grade: B+

Moving on from Pacioretty

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This surely had to be one of the toughest moves of Bergevin's tenure. Max Pacioretty was a fan favorite and one of the most consistent goal scorers the club had seen in decades. Shortly after being named captain in 2015, things seemed to sour between Pacioretty and the organization, which ultimately led to him being traded.

Bergevin undoubtedly hit a home run on this one. Getting Nick Suzuki - who's quickly developing into a legitimate No. 1 center - along with Tomas Tatar and a second-round pick from the Vegas Golden Knights was a fantastic haul. It also worked out for the Golden Knights, as Pacioretty has continued to dominate.

One thing that we've learned over the last decade is that Bergevin isn't scared to make a big trade or shake things up. Making this deal got the Canadiens the franchise center they'd been looking for forever and put the team in a much better position to be competitive for years to come.

Grade: A

Breaking the bank for Price

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The Canadiens have taken a lot of flack ever since they signed Carey Price to his hefty contract. With an annual cap hit of $10.5 million, he still remains the league's highest-paid goalie. Bergevin isn't to blame for this one, though. His hands were tied, and if he didn't sign Price at the time, another team surely would've backed up the Brinks truck.

Price was the nearly undisputed best goalie in the world when he signed in 2017. As he just showed with his performance last postseason, he's arguably still in the running for that title. Price followed up his dominant 2014-15 Hart Trophy-winning campaign with two more great seasons, so Montreal signing him to an eight-year, $84-million contract was inevitable.

Sure, Bergevin could've let Price walk into free agency and let another team pay him. It's impossible to say how the Habs would look today if Price signed elsewhere. But there's no doubt he has the utmost respect of his teammates and players around the league, and he's still seen as one of the top netminders in the world. The contract definitely makes Montreal's cap situation tricky, but Bergevin had to do it.

Grade: B-

Bringing Drouin back home

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Jonathan Drouin wasn't happy with his role and progression in Tampa Bay after being selected third overall in 2013. Bergevin took note and didn't balk at the opportunity to bring in the Quebec native to play in his home province. The price was steep but fair: Mikhail Sergachev, who at the time was deemed a top defensive prospect but barely had any NHL experience.

Yet the move was puzzling. Sergachev, whom the Canadiens selected ninth overall in 2016, looked to be the exact piece the team desperately needed: an offensive-minded, puck-moving defenseman.

Drouin's an extremely talented forward, but he didn't address a glaring need for Montreal, and the move also dug a deeper hole on its blue line. Meanwhile, Sergachev has developed nicely in Tampa Bay, and Drouin has struggled to stay consistent. This was one of Bergevin's rare misses.

Grade: C-

Robbing Blackhawks of Danault

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In what was probably the best move of Bergevin's time with the Canadiens, he somehow pawned off Dale Weise and Tomas Fleischmann on the Chicago Blackhawks in exchange for Phillip Danault and a second-round draft pick that was eventually used to select Alexander Romanov.

The Blackhawks didn't expect Danault to magically become a Selke-caliber two-way center when he tossed on the Canadiens sweater. Is it fair to think Bergevin knew what he was getting in him? Bergevin was the Blackhaks' assistant GM when they drafted Danault with the 26th pick in 2011.

The move couldn't have paid off more for the Canadiens. A small deadline deal that sent away two bottom-six veteran forwards earned Montreal its No. 1 shutdown center for years to come, and it also landed the team one of its top defensive prospects in Romanov. To make matters worse for Chicago, Weise and Fleischmann combined for two goals and four assists across 34 games and managed one goal in four playoff contests.

Grade: A+

Honorable mentions: Acquiring Jeff Petry from the Edmonton Oilers; trading Alex Galchenyuk for Max Domi

Marc Bergevin's time with the Montreal Canadiens has come to an

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1 hour ago, 48MPHSlapShot said:

How disgusting what he did at the draft was cannot be overstated. By selecting Mailloux, Bergevin and his staff tried ro invalidate the pain and trauma that the Mailloux's victim must have felt, as well as taking steps to normalize the "win at all costs" mentality that allowed for the Kyle Beach situation to happen.

 

If you're for Bergevin, then you're cool with all of this 

Sorry but I disagree. The kid made a dumb mistake that I 100% am sure many young kids do all the time. Sure sharing the pic was immature but the girl was not raped and she allowed him to take a pic, he is a douche for showing the picture but Jesus maybe times are different but when I was growing up and you hooked up on the QT and promised not to tell that promise was broken pretty quickly.

Hell even girls gabbed, I hooked up with a girl one night and let's just say I regretted it and asked her not to tell, she told the whole school.

Let's be real here, if you're 14-16 and sexually active, expecting the guy or girl to not act immature after probably is a little nieve.

I get that today it's all about canceling but let's call a spade a spade,  she gave a guy she hardly knew  oral sex and consented to him using his phone. He's a punk but most 16 yearold boys are and the Habs are owning it and are giving him a chance to not have his life ruined for what was a dumb mistake that a kid made.

People acting like hes some predator and treating him like he's a rapist just seems very over the top to me.

 

Disagree with me but I think he's a dbag but I also geez why is nobody saying to her make better decisions, don't let some punk you barely know record you doing something you don't want people to find out about.

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2 minutes ago, MaxVerstappen33 said:

^ That's a fairly long list of shrewd moves in my estimation. You have to think he is being considered. Aqualini said that he knows Marc for what that's worth

That and let’s not forget he recently just brought a team to the Finals only last year

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2 hours ago, Chip Kelly said:

GMGM would be a good choice.

 

He knows Boudreau, He knows Vancouver  with his time with the Canucks in the past.

 

He knows the Pacific division.

 

He has GM experience of an expansion team and understands how to build a contender quickly.

I agree George Mcphee please he is agm at vegas but wants to be the boss. He should be the nunber 1 choice.

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59 minutes ago, McIlhargey the Lesser said:

Hard no.

 

He’s bold, I’ll give him that, but I think the Habs would have been a hell of a lot worse over his tenure if not for Carey Price.

And they haven’t been good.

I disagree that a goalie is that much of a difference maker. Especially one that's checking into rehab. 

 

Was Loungo that big of a difference maker ? Does this make Gainey a genius for drafting Price ? Even though he traded for Scott Gomez ? Which is maybe the worst trade in NHL history. Or pro sport history. 

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1 hour ago, PositionOfPower said:

I agree George Mcphee please he is agm at vegas but wants to be the boss. He should be the nunber 1 choice.

 

McPhee is the boss in Vegas - he's president of hockey ops.  He was GM/president when he started in Vegas.  McCrimmon was his AGM and was starting to get a lot interest from other teams and he didn't want to lose him so he promoted him to GM but stayed as President of hockey ops.  

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10 hours ago, Alienhuggyflow said:

nobody saying to her make better decisions

This right here is victim blaming. The equivalent of putting blame on the girl that was walking down a dark alley at night and got attacked. 

 

Here's the thing, I'm not even saying the kid doesn't deserve a second chance.. .eventually, but he himself took himself out draft contention. What Bergevin did was put his arm around the kid and say "You know what? Don't worry about it, kid", all because Bergevin wanted him in the draft, which is the same mentality that those that covered up the Kyle Beach story had. "Whatever it takes". It's not all that surprising that Bergevin was the Blackhawks management group during that time too.

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21 hours ago, MaxVerstappen33 said:

I disagree that a goalie is that much of a difference maker. Especially one that's checking into rehab. 

 

Was Loungo that big of a difference maker ? Does this make Gainey a genius for drafting Price ? Even though he traded for Scott Gomez ? Which is maybe the worst trade in NHL history. Or pro sport history. 

Normally I agree with you about goalies but Carey Price is in a league of his own and IS that much of a difference maker. The unbelievable low GAA of the 2014 olympics illustrates my point.

 

And your question about Gainey is neither here nor there and not relevant to what I’m saying.

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On 12/7/2021 at 8:55 PM, PositionOfPower said:

I agree George Mcphee please he is agm at vegas but wants to be the boss. He should be the nunber 1 choice.

I bleive he is the President in Vegas though.

 

Does Vegas let him join a division rival?

 

Without the Canucks giving up a draft pick as compensation potentially?

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He was runner up for GM of the year last season when he led his team to the finals, then promptly let go. Occasionally we see things like this, but one has to wonder why an owner would let go of a GM so soon after exceeding expectations. Naturally, they wanted answers for the poor start but it still seems to me that there were secondary reasons for him getting fired. They are probably the same reasons many of us don't want him as our GM. 

 

Despite lack of results, this team has tried had to bring in quality, character guys. Character players. Character management. Good people.

 

MB has proven to me (and many, I think) to have made questionable moral decisions, and that's not the kind of guy I want running this team.

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10 hours ago, Chip Kelly said:

I bleive he is the President in Vegas though.

 

Does Vegas let him join a division rival?

 

Without the Canucks giving up a draft pick as compensation potentially?

The NHL did away with draft pick compensation for teams hiring other teams front office staff quite awhile ago.  In fact I believe Vancouver was the last team that actually benefited from it.  
 

All that said I don’t see why Vegas would allow Vancouver to talk to McPhee when they clearly want to keep him in the organization 

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1 hour ago, qwijibo said:

The NHL did away with draft pick compensation for teams hiring other teams front office staff quite awhile ago.  In fact I believe Vancouver was the last team that actually benefited from it.  
 

All that said I don’t see why Vegas would allow Vancouver to talk to McPhee when they clearly want to keep him in the organization 

Pretty standard for teams to let employees talk to other teams.

 

If McPhee wants back in as a general manager I doubt they would stop him. After all they only “promoted” him so that they wouldn’t lose another guy.


Kind of a slap in the face to a guy that built a contender out of nothing. They owe him out of respect.

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I keep oscillating between whether JR would hire an alpha dog GM that will really be the GM or if he will hire a pencil pushing underling. There have been mixed signals in the media. We will know when the hire is done. I think Aqualini likes Bergavin and it could be a possibility. And Aqualini is involved in the hiring process.

 

It is good for JR to hire an independent GM because he can just fire him if things go wrong. On the other hand if he hires an underling, the bad moves will be on him. And everyone will know it.

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