[Speculation] Canucks exploring Tyler Myers trade

[AV.]

It likely raises a warning sign to the whole NHL that a team like Vancouver, who have been rumoured to be in for RD help all off-season, are trying to move one of their own RD.

I'd be surprised if any deal gets done somewhere - the optics just aren't great.

[R3aL]

6 hours ago, AV. said:

It likely raises a warning sign to the whole NHL that a team like Vancouver, who have been rumoured to be in for RD help all off-season, are trying to move one of their own RD.

I'd be surprised if any deal gets done somewhere - the optics just aren't great.

I agree optics aren’t great but it’s not always the player but the fit. And teams know that. 
 

Like pits re shuffling their defense but ya if gudbranson worth 4 x 4 don’t think too many nhl teams wouldn’t mind 6 million for Myers 

 

I don’t think our team even wants to trade Myers I think media talks about it. But if there was a path to upgrade over him I think they wouldn’t have a hard time trading him 

[N4ZZY]

5 minutes ago, R3aL said:

I agree optics aren’t great but it’s not always the player but the fit. And teams know that. 
 

Like pits re shuffling their defense but ya if gudbranson worth 4 x 4 don’t think too many nhl teams wouldn’t mind 6 million for Myers 

 

I don’t think our team even wants to trade Myers I think media talks about it. But if there was a path to upgrade over him I think they wouldn’t have a hard time trading him 

Yeah, I don’t really see Myers going anywhere unless management has a plan to upgrade from Myers. But he’s reasonable at 6M for this season and next. I can see management trying to trade him in his last season, but if the team is contending for a playoff spot, do you get rid of him? It’s the same question essentially with Miller as well. 

 

Do you get rid of one of your best RD if you’re contending, or trade away your best point producing forward if you’re contending for a playoff spot in the conference?

[Nave]

I think Myers was pretty good for us defensively last season. Definitely improved in that regard. But then again he's still prone to those headshaking gaffes.
We need RHD, and I don't think trading our best RHD solves that problem. Would only trade him if we can improve on him. 

[N4ZZY]

5 minutes ago, Nave said:

I think Myers was pretty good for us defensively last season. Definitely improved in that regard. But then again he's still prone to those headshaking gaffes.
We need RHD, and I don't think trading our best RHD solves that problem. Would only trade him if we can improve on him. 

Yeah. Trading your best RD doesn’t solve the problem, but something has to change on the backend right? If nothing changes, then they’re essentially coming back with the same defensive unit as they did last season. And it wasn’t great. 

 

[R3aL]

2 hours ago, N4ZZY said:

Yeah, I don’t really see Myers going anywhere unless management has a plan to upgrade from Myers. But he’s reasonable at 6M for this season and next. I can see management trying to trade him in his last season, but if the team is contending for a playoff spot, do you get rid of him? It’s the same question essentially with Miller as well. 

 

Do you get rid of one of your best RD if you’re contending, or trade away your best point producing forward if you’re contending for a playoff spot in the conference?

Ya I don’t really know what they are gonna do here. 

[Coconuts]

10 hours ago, AV. said:

It likely raises a warning sign to the whole NHL that a team like Vancouver, who have been rumoured to be in for RD help all off-season, are trying to move one of their own RD.

I'd be surprised if any deal gets done somewhere - the optics just aren't great.

Even without optics I'll be surprised if he goes, it seems like a tough environment to clear cap in from what I've seen 

 

Even Vegas got pretty much nothing back for a still productive Pacioretty

 

Sure, they needed to clear cap and teams knew it, but that return was telling

 

If we do clear cap this summer it'll likely have to be a top six forward imo, that's likely the only way we get a top 4RD this summer too

Edited July 18, 2022 by Coconuts

[Spoosh]

I’m not a specialist on this cap/LTIR but moving Myers and signing someone, or trading him for a cheaper player won’t help our cap for the coming year all that much with Ferland still on the books. We need to be at the cap to get any help from that so clearing 6M and signing someone for 2M will result in roughly the same outcome as we’ll have Ferland count against the cap then? I’m not sure but that is my understanding of it. If we move both Myers and lets say Garland for picks and prospects then we’ll have real room to manouver at the deadline etc. No?

[DrJockitch]

1 hour ago, Spoosh said:

I’m not a specialist on this cap/LTIR but moving Myers and signing someone, or trading him for a cheaper player won’t help our cap for the coming year all that much with Ferland still on the books. We need to be at the cap to get any help from that so clearing 6M and signing someone for 2M will result in roughly the same outcome as we’ll have Ferland count against the cap then? I’m not sure but that is my understanding of it. If we move both Myers and lets say Garland for picks and prospects then we’ll have real room to manouver at the deadline etc. No?

If after trading someone the spending including Ferland is below 82.5 then we accrue cap savings. If it is over 82.5 then we don’t accrue cap space because we have to go into LTIR. So really depends how expensive it is. We can go 10% over cap in off-season before LTIR is activated. 

[stawns]

4 hours ago, Coconuts said:

Even without optics I'll be surprised if he goes, it seems like a tough environment to clear cap in from what I've seen 

 

Even Vegas got pretty much nothing back for a still productive Pacioretty

 

Sure, they needed to clear cap and teams knew it, but that return was telling

 

If we do clear cap this summer it'll likely have to be a top six forward imo, that's likely the only way we get a top 4RD this summer too

Not only will they get nothing, it'll cost them to move Myers........a high draft pick or prospect and then they'll have to find a way to replace his mins in the lineup.

 

[Coconuts]

5 minutes ago, stawns said:

Not only will they get nothing, it'll cost them to move Myers........a high draft pick or prospect and then they'll have to find a way to replace his mins in the lineup.

 

If they retain say.. 1-1.5M I don't think they'd have trouble moving him, but I don't think we'd get much back besides cap space, assuming we don't take someone back

 

But yeah, move Myers and you need to replace him, not that he won't need to be replaced sooner than later 

 

There's not much out there in UFA for RD, and finding a top 4 guy via trade would require moving a top 6 forward

[grandmaster]

Myers needs to stay. He is more value here than in a trade. His cap hit is only about 1M over what he should be. Given we are light on the RD position, it would make no sense moving him.

[BC_Hawk]

On 7/18/2022 at 6:52 AM, grandmaster said:

Myers needs to stay. He is more value here than in a trade. His cap hit is only about 1M over what he should be. Given we are light on the RD position, it would make no sense moving him.

It is not so much that his cap is WAY too high, it is more that he doesn't fit the mold of what we need at RHD. A little far fetched, but I'll throw it out there:

 

Myers, Hogs, Dickinson & a 2nd/3rd to Seattle for Larrson

 

Then, get Tramikin to come back over given our Russian influx. 

 

So, Canucks give up 8.65m; Larrson at 4m and Tram at 2m. Frees up 2.65m to resign Miller or add to pot to resign Horvat next offseason.

 

Hughes-Larrson

OEL-Tram/Schenn

Rathbone/Burroughs-Tram/Schenn

Dermott

 

Then, next offseason we need to find Schenn's replacement. Maybe Dermott has stepped up by then? Maybe Woo plays into the 3rd pairing???

 

Yes please!

Edited July 20, 2022 by BC_Hawk

[86Viking]

If the new regime doesn't think Hoglander will be a long term fit here, with the Mikheyev and Kuzmenko signings it seems to be pushing Hog down the lineup to the 4th line, maybe Hog gets attached to Myers or dickinson to clear some cap room?

 

I would much prefer the Canucks trade Hoglander for a younger D or C than the above but management talked at length of clearing cap space and they so far have failed to do that

[stawns]

On 7/18/2022 at 12:25 AM, Nave said:

I think Myers was pretty good for us defensively last season. Definitely improved in that regard. But then again he's still prone to those headshaking gaffes.
We need RHD, and I don't think trading our best RHD solves that problem. Would only trade him if we can improve on him. 

Who isn't?  The modern NHL has taken nearly all the tools in a dmans aresenal and prohibited them over the last 10 years.........imagine having to try and defend and 80% of your play has to be with your stick, with fwds like McD and NM skating around completely unhindered?

[stawns]

1 hour ago, BC_Hawk said:

It is not so much that his cap is WAY too high, it is more that he doesn't fit the mold of what we need at RHD. A little far fetched, but I'll throw it out there:

 

Myers, Hogs, Dickinson & a 2nd/3rd to Seattle for Larrson

 

Then, get Tramikin to come back over given our Russian influx. 

 

So, Canucks give up 8.65m; Larrson at 4m and Tram at 2m. Frees up 2.65m to resign Miller or add to pot to resign Horvat next offseason.

 

Hughes-Larrson

OEL-Tram/Schenn

Rathbone/Burroughs-Tram/Schenn

Dermott

 

Then, next offseason we need to find Schenn's replacement. Maybe Dermott has stepped up by then? Maybe Woo plays into the 3rd pairing???

 

Yes please!

What is it they need on rd, as far as skills and style?

[JM_]

1 minute ago, stawns said:

Who isn't?  The modern NHL has taken nearly all the tools in a dmans aresenal and prohibited them over the last 10 years.........imagine having to try and defend and 80% of your play has to be with your stick, with fwds like McD and NM skating around completely unhindered?

thats a good point. Colorado did put on a clinic tho on how to handle McSweep's speed. 

[BC_Hawk]

51 minutes ago, stawns said:

What is it they need on rd, as far as skills and style?

A more defensive minded defenseman. Myers is a blend of both, but more leans in the offensive direction in my opinion. Having a defensive specialist with Hughes or OEL pays dividends, as noticed when Schenn played with both.

 

Myers is a great Dman, but became redundant with the OEL acquisition. In addition, with us apparently wanting to bring up Rathbone next year, it is just much of the same.

[shazzam]

4 minutes ago, BC_Hawk said:

A more defensive minded defenseman. Myers is a blend of both, but more leans in the offensive direction in my opinion. Having a defensive specialist with Hughes or OEL pays dividends, as noticed when Schenn played with both.

 

Myers is a great Dman, but became redundant with the OEL acquisition. In addition, with us apparently wanting to bring up Rathbone next year, it is just much of the same.

Sounds like the redundancy is on the left side

[BC_Hawk]

2 hours ago, shazzam said:

Sounds like the redundancy is on the left side

Rathbone 850k...Burroughs sub in as required (850k)

 

OEL can go both ways, but his true potential is offensive (longterm contract)

 

Hughes...need I say more. (longterm contract)

 

So we offset a promising youngster at 850k/yr to fill a spot in FA or trade....humm

 

It's a right side problem; why screw with LHD when we are great there IMHO.

Edited July 20, 2022 by BC_Hawk