[Speculation] Canucks exploring Tyler Myers trade

[RWJC]

Myers hasn’t been good.
That’s pretty universally understood amongst the fan base/CDC.

But if you’re going to be fair and realistic, you need to include the majority of the F group who are also part of the process in turning over the puck, failing to adequately back check, or themselves out of position which - if they were playing a fully understood and appreciated team game, would realize that there are weaknesses in the D group and responsible play would help alleviate some of that.

 

I’m not advocating keeping Myers longterm, but we still need experienced bodies on the backend off the hop if we want to start the season strong.

The next gen will get their chances as the year goes on and hopefully someone or two really stands out and affords us the ability to better compose a roster both skill wise and financially. But we’re likely stuck with Myers for the next bit.

 

It’s just getting a little dull hearing the constant moaning and bitching about him, ya know? Monotonous. 

The points have been made. Everyone is aware. 
Apologies if I’m being grouchy, but I’m kinda sick and tired of people piling on him. It’s lazy. Almost like trolling now. 
 

 

 

Edited September 13, 2023 by RWJC

[aGENT]

1 hour ago, RWJC said:

But if you’re going to be fair and realistic, you need to include the majority of the F group who are also part of the process in turning over the puck, failing to adequately back check, or themselves out of position which - if they were playing a fully understood and appreciated team game, would realize that there are weaknesses in the D group and responsible play would help alleviate some of that.

 

Add the horribly un-complementary D put together. We replaced top 4 Tanev with bottom 4 Schenn and awkwardly shoved two offense leaning D (OEL and Myers) in to a matchup/PK role, TOGETHER...

 

Square pegs and round holes everywhere. And People wonder why these guys look bad? 

 

This D had been set up to fail for years now.

Edited September 13, 2023 by aGENT

[J-Dizzle]

5 hours ago, grandmaster said:

Yup and some folks also saying that with limited minutes on the 3rd line he can be good. Not happening. He is absolutely brutal 

This take is absolutely brutal. While I’d rather close the book on the Myers chapter, having the guy on a third pairing (paying him third pair money) would be beneficial to most teams. 

[Alflives]

3 hours ago, aGENT said:

 

Add the horribly un-complementary D put together. We replaced top 4 Tanev with bottom 4 Schenn and awkwardly shoved two offense leaning D (OEL and Myers) in to a matchup/PK role, TOGETHER...

 

Square pegs and round holes everywhere. And People wonder why these guys look bad? 

 

This D had been set up to fail for years now.

From Tanev (4 mil x 4) to Schmidt (6x6) to OEL (7.2 x 6). We clearly downgraded each time, allocated more on the cap, and paid valuable draft assets to do so. Benning was a complete nincompoop! 

[Citizen Erased]

1 hour ago, Alflives said:

From Tanev (4 mil x 4) to Schmidt (6x6) to OEL (7.2 x 6). We clearly downgraded each time, allocated more on the cap, and paid valuable draft assets to do so. Benning was a complete nincompoop! 

Rumour has it he was trying to get Dion Phaneuf out of retirement. Just kidding..sort of.

[aGENT]

3 hours ago, Alflives said:

From Tanev (4 mil x 4) to Schmidt (6x6) to OEL (7.2 x 6). We clearly downgraded each time, allocated more on the cap, and paid valuable draft assets to do so. Benning was a complete nincompoop! 

Funny thing is, they're not really "downgrades". Just I'll fitting players in ill fitting roles. Square pegs, round holes... as though nobody even considered what would actually make a COHESIVE D core. It was literally like throwing things at a wall to see what sticks. 

[Ted Lasso]

11 hours ago, aGENT said:

Funny thing is, they're not really "downgrades". Just I'll fitting players in ill fitting roles. Square pegs, round holes... as though nobody even considered what would actually make a COHESIVE D core. It was literally like throwing things at a wall to see what sticks. 

The OEL-Myers stylistic mismatch doesn’t get brought up enough. That's a great point there.

 

Same with the team game, emphasizing defense from the forward group. 
 

We need cohesive defensive systems and a complimentary set of defensive personnel at both forward and defense. 
 

Believe we’ve addressed each of these (somewhat) in the off-season, but there’s more work to be done.

 

IMHO, some of the priorities should be:

 

1. Find Hughes a quality, consistent partner for the next 2-3 years (Hronek? Pesce?)

2. Create a quality second pair that effectively plays a shutdown role (Soucy Hronek? Soucy Cole?)

3. Acquire or develop at least one high-end defensive forward (Räty?)

4. Acquire or develop 1-2 bigger defensive forwards /PK specialists (eg. Trenin)

5. Fill the 3rd pair D internally

 

 

Edited September 14, 2023 by Ted Lasso
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[-Vintage Canuck-]

 

[aGENT]

1 hour ago, Ted Lasso said:

The OEL-Myers stylistic mismatch doesn’t get brought up enough. That's a great point there.

Beyond our utter lack of systems play/puck support, it's so blatantly obvious but SO MANY people just brush it off as "player X sucks".

 

Funny how Schmidt was a solid D in VGK, in an appropriate role and appropriately partnered, and has been that again in WPG, approximately role and partner... But "mysteriously" he "sucked" here.... hmmm

 

Schmidt, Myers, OEL, Gudbranson... All set up to fail here.

Edited September 14, 2023 by aGENT

[Ted Lasso]

2 minutes ago, aGENT said:

Beyond our utter lack of systems play/puck support, it's so blatantly obvious but SO MANY people just brush it off as "player X sucks".

 

Funny how Schmidt was a solid D in VGK, in an appropriate role and appropriately partnered, and has been that again in WPG, approximately role and partner... But "mysteriously" he "sucked" here.... hmmm

 

Schmidt, Myers, OEL, goodness... All set up to fail here.

 

[BPA]

7 minutes ago, aGENT said:

Beyond our utter lack of systems play/puck support, it's so blatantly obvious but SO MANY people just brush it off as "player X sucks".

 

Funny how Schmidt was a solid D in VGK, in an appropriate role and appropriately partnered, and has been that again in WPG, approximately role and partner... But "mysteriously" he "sucked" here.... hmmm

 

Schmidt, Myers, OEL, Gudbranson... All set up to fail here.

Agreed that it didn’t quite work out here with those players.  So begs the question, what was needed for them to succeed?  A better system? A better partner?

[RWJC]

7 minutes ago, -Vintage Canuck- said:

 

Does Dhaliwal not realize he’s still a 6 mill strike against cap? The bonus was only part of the issue. 6 mill is major space to give up for a 3rd pairing D, whether you’re a contender or a bottom feeder (whom absorbing that cap is it’s own currency). I’d be pleased and shocked if we move Myers in a hockey trade that fetches us something we really require even if for one season. LTIR injury relief space teams are likely our major potential partner and in that case it might take some time after camp or into the season for those suitors to emerge. 

[aGENT]

8 minutes ago, BPA said:

Agreed that it didn’t quite work out here with those players.  So begs the question, what was needed for them to succeed?  A better system? A better partner?

Yes

[DeNiro]

1 hour ago, RWJC said:

Does Dhaliwal not realize he’s still a 6 mill strike against cap? The bonus was only part of the issue. 6 mill is major space to give up for a 3rd pairing D, whether you’re a contender or a bottom feeder (whom absorbing that cap is it’s own currency). I’d be pleased and shocked if we move Myers in a hockey trade that fetches us something we really require even if for one season. LTIR injury relief space teams are likely our major potential partner and in that case it might take some time after camp or into the season for those suitors to emerge. 

He would easily be a top 4 on certain teams.

 

Teams that want to at least look like they’re competitive.

 

Looking at Arizona’s roster I wouldn’t be surprised if they have interest.

 

No point making a trade unless we actually use the cap space for something though. Myers would still need to be replaced.

 

 

Edited September 14, 2023 by DeNiro

[grandmaster]

2 hours ago, aGENT said:

Beyond our utter lack of systems play/puck support, it's so blatantly obvious but SO MANY people just brush it off as "player X sucks".

 

Funny how Schmidt was a solid D in VGK, in an appropriate role and appropriately partnered, and has been that again in WPG, approximately role and partner... But "mysteriously" he "sucked" here.... hmmm

 

Schmidt, Myers, OEL, Gudbranson... All set up to fail here.

Couldn’t disagree with you anymore.

 

We’ve seen way too many “mistakes” that he made too many times for this to be that. The guy is a terrible player. I’m done with his daily snow angels, being constantly caught out of position and lack of awareness.

 

If your memory and or eyesight is an Issue then check out the the stats. He and OEL were the WORST defensive pairings in the ENTIRE NHL. We literally lost games because of these 2 numpties, 

Don’t even go there. 
 

Also, Schmidt is a decent player, just not a good fit here. He was nowhere near bad. He was here for 5 minutes while we saw chaos Giraffe for 5 years where he continued to get worse. 
 

Edited September 14, 2023 by grandmaster

[Canucks Curse]

1 minute ago, grandmaster said:

Couldn’t disagree with you anymore.

 

We’ve seen way too many “mistakes” that he made too many times for this to be a thing. The guy is a terrible player. I’m done with his daily snow angels, being constantly caught out of position and lack of awareness.

 

If your memory and or eyesight is an Issue then check out the the stats. He and OEL were the WORST defensive pairings in the ENTIRE NHL. We literally lost games because of these 2 numpties, 

Don’t even go there. 
 

Also, Schmidt is a decent player, just not a good fit here. He was nowhere near bad. He was here for 5 minutes while we saw chaos Giraffe for 5 years where he continued to get worse. 
 

Schmidt loved Vegas, he was very happy there, funny how that matters to players right... he was less happy in Van and ok in WPG and strange how his play mirrors his happiness with where he is living... so strange, its unbelievable right ????

Myers was good here for the first 4 years of his contract, in bubble he was playing amazing, he just lost a step last year and its over now, Guddy always sucked other than the playoffs one season in FLA like 8 games or something, he had a good playoff run and everyone thought he was coming of age and breaking out....not 

OEL just got old and banged up by hockey standards, 

agree with you 

[Ted Lasso]

All of these things can be true.

 

Vancouver had poor systems and players/pairings on defence, AND Myers’ decline is beyond repair

Edited September 14, 2023 by Ted Lasso
Fixed tense

[PhillipBlunt]

If the coaches can get Myers to play with a consistent physical edge, he'll be of more use to the team. That being said, if Alvin finds a suitor that takes on Myers last year, you go for that, and you for it hard. Like Lee Majors hard.

[PhillipBlunt]

2 minutes ago, Ted Lasso said:

All of these things can be true.

 

Vancouver has poor systems and players/pairings on defence, AND Myers’ decline is beyond repair

had, brah. had.

[Ted Lasso]

3 minutes ago, PhillipBlunt said:

had, brah. had.

Haha, fixed