IBatch Posted March 7, 2022 Share Posted March 7, 2022 9 hours ago, EddieVedder said: He makes bonehead plays consistently and always has. Half his goals have been tapins or pucks that just happened to touch him. He scores at a lesser rate per playing time than Chiasson. Hes a brutal skater and getting worse. Hes not a line driver, or a play driver by any means. He is easily our physically weakest player. No, he wasnt our best forward "by a long shot" last yr. Chiasson plays 5:35 per game? Nope - he plays 10:48 with a fair amount of PP time... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IBatch Posted March 7, 2022 Share Posted March 7, 2022 9 hours ago, EddieVedder said: He makes bonehead plays consistently and always has. Half his goals have been tapins or pucks that just happened to touch him. He scores at a lesser rate per playing time than Chiasson. Hes a brutal skater and getting worse. Hes not a line driver, or a play driver by any means. He is easily our physically weakest player. No, he wasnt our best forward "by a long shot" last yr. No he was just our best forward. Did you watch the games? 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darius Posted March 7, 2022 Share Posted March 7, 2022 2 hours ago, IBatch said: No he was just our best forward. Did you watch the games? I hope Brock agrees to a reasonable deal so we can continue to have the entertainment of Eddie’s anti brock diatribes in the gdt’s every time Brock makes a mistake. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gollumpus Posted March 7, 2022 Share Posted March 7, 2022 To my mind, Boeser needs a guy like Pearson to get him rolling and to start producing points. Pearson needs a guy like Boeser to start producing points so that other folks notice the job he does, getting a guy like Boeser rolling. regards, G. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jason10009 Posted March 8, 2022 Share Posted March 8, 2022 I like Boeser. He's a great sniper and human being. I'm not sure he is worth over $7 million though. Unfortunately, another team will likely pay that much. Reminds me of microeconomics class...supply and demand. Crazy cap times! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanucksJay Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 Similar stature but completely different players. Pearson is grittier and better along the wall. Is more reliable defensively. Boeser has much better hands and shot. When both are skating hard, similar speed. Boeser has the ability to score though. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanucksJay Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 On 3/6/2022 at 8:22 PM, Gollumpus said: To my mind, Boeser needs a guy like Pearson to get him rolling and to start producing points. Pearson needs a guy like Boeser to start producing points so that other folks notice the job he does, getting a guy like Boeser rolling. regards, G. That line of Pearson Miller Boeser was good earlier in the year and it seems they are clicking again 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucklefuts Posted March 11, 2022 Share Posted March 11, 2022 Is fen1010 just another version of alf? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iinatcc Posted March 11, 2022 Share Posted March 11, 2022 I remember some early comparisons of Boeser to that of Patrick Sharp. I thought of myself Hawks had Sharp to win the cup so awesome 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammertime Posted March 12, 2022 Share Posted March 12, 2022 On 3/11/2022 at 1:58 AM, iinatcc said: I remember some early comparisons of Boeser to that of Patrick Sharp. I thought of myself Hawks had Sharp to win the cup so awesome Brock is about as close to P Sharp as he is to P Sherman 42 wallaby way. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junkyard Dog Posted March 12, 2022 Share Posted March 12, 2022 On 3/11/2022 at 1:58 AM, iinatcc said: I remember some early comparisons of Boeser to that of Patrick Sharp. I thought of myself Hawks had Sharp to win the cup so awesome Sharp was a two-way beast though and could take draws off the wing. Almost 3000 faceoffs in his career at 49.8 winning percentage. Finished top 10 in Selke twice(top 50 five times), one of those years he was 4th. Brock holds his own defensively but is no dynamo there. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*Buzzsaw* Posted March 13, 2022 Share Posted March 13, 2022 Original Poster has not looked carefully at the stats for each player. Pearson is a better defensive player with a little more speed, but he is not the scorer that Boeser is. Both are decently physical. The key to their difference is the goal and point totals for each. Pearson tops out at 24 goals and has only had two 20+ goal seasons over a career of 11 years. He won't hit 20 this year. His GPG is 0.23. Boeser tops out at 29 goals, has already had three 20+ goal seasons over a career of 6 years and will probably go 20+ this season. (the year total includes his 5 game initial season) His GPG is 0.375. When you count total goals and assists, Boeser is even further ahead in PPG. Boeser's goal totals this year have been affected by the position he plays in the PP. He was previously a shooter, now he is mostly beside the net as a setup man for Horvat in the slot and Miller in the half boards. If he was playing the right slot position with Pettersson as his setup man, as he did early in Bourdreau's tenure, he would be scoring a lot more... he had two goals there, and looked ready to continue, then was moved to the left beside the net and his role was changed. If Boeser was the designated trigger man on a PP, he could easily score 30+ goals... and goal scoring is at a premium in the league. Overall, Boeser is more valuable. The real question that has to be asked, is do the Canucks have too many triggermen/goalscorers, and not enough playmakers/setup guys? Miller is both a playmaker and shooter, Pettersson can be both, but is most valuable as a shooter. Bo is a shooter. Pearson is a meh shooter, Garland is ok as both, but prefers to shoot and his points ceiling is low, Hoglander wants to be both but the report card is still out. Podz is both but hasn't developed enough... will be a decent playmaker/shooter given time. Boeser has adapted his game to be a cycle setup/playmaker guy for Miller instead of a shooter, they do have decent chemistry, but Boeser would prefer to be a shooter. Boeser has to be in the Top Six or he is not useful... Pearson can be anywhere in the lineup. The question again, is whether Boeser should be replaced with a real playmaker... or a impact D-Man. Boeser is a nice guy, very popular in the room and probably ready to sign for less here. But probably, given an opportunity to play for Minnesota or Detroit, he'd go. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeyD Posted March 13, 2022 Share Posted March 13, 2022 At the end of the day, the goal as the GM is to not overpay players and get players for cheap. Keeping Brock means we are going to overpay him. It's why many people dislike Myers. Myers is a serviceable defenseman, he's just not a 6 million dollar defenseman. You need guys to earn their wages and play above them. The more room you have with the cap is the more chances you have at landing a player who is capable of being a steal. 2011 doesn't exist without the Sedin, Burrows, Kesler, Hansen, etc. contracts. Our defense were overpaid but we still had room to sign depth because of guys like those mentioned above. You need to avoid paying your best players the money they can make on the free agency market if you want to be contenders. Tampa Bay is the very very very rare example of this but only because their best players were incredibly consistent and had the perfect cap circumvention plan, and even then we will see how this season goes. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EddieVedder Posted March 13, 2022 Share Posted March 13, 2022 2 hours ago, MikeyD said: At the end of the day, the goal as the GM is to not overpay players and get players for cheap. Keeping Brock means we are going to overpay him. It's why many people dislike Myers. Myers is a serviceable defenseman, he's just not a 6 million dollar defenseman. You need guys to earn their wages and play above them. The more room you have with the cap is the more chances you have at landing a player who is capable of being a steal. 2011 doesn't exist without the Sedin, Burrows, Kesler, Hansen, etc. contracts. Our defense were overpaid but we still had room to sign depth because of guys like those mentioned above. You need to avoid paying your best players the money they can make on the free agency market if you want to be contenders. Tampa Bay is the very very very rare example of this but only because their best players were incredibly consistent and had the perfect cap circumvention plan, and even then we will see how this season goes. Whats myers worth? 5 mill? Im okay if we overpay him by a mill. There is no one in our system that comes even close to replacing him. Myers is hella underrated here. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EddieVedder Posted March 13, 2022 Share Posted March 13, 2022 Pearson literally does everything better than boeser. Bb might have a slight edge on his slapper. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junkyard Dog Posted March 13, 2022 Share Posted March 13, 2022 2 hours ago, EddieVedder said: Whats myers worth? 5 mill? Im okay if we overpay him by a mill. There is no one in our system that comes even close to replacing him. Myers is hella underrated here. Slightly overpaid and the fact that there's no one in the system to replace him, no RD succession needs serious addressing. Probably why we're rumoured to be in on a guy like Marino who helps now and moving forward. We need to inject some solid younger talent there. The D-core as it is will regress before anything else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferlands_Head Posted March 13, 2022 Share Posted March 13, 2022 (edited) On 3/3/2022 at 12:19 PM, RU SERIOUS said: Brock has never been the same after that major injury to his back from the hit into the open door. It's been a couple of years now and I think what we see is what will get going forward. It is what it is and as a result I fully expect him to be traded - SHORTLY ! Exactly, If you look at the goals from his rookie season his release is lightning fast, he's got more foot speed and is creating chances on his own. 2:10 Automatic goal from this spot - This season right into the crest. Check out that release at 4:25 - This season Boeser doesn't score that. 6:20 and check out his hand eye and release 7:46 He beats Strahlman wide and snipes it, doesn't have that kind of speed anymore 8:53 check out that extra move he does to open him up for that insane shot We haven't seen this BB since his rookie season. Maybe it's the 20lbs he put on, maybe he's damaged good we don't know. All I know is he's not the same player. Edited March 13, 2022 by Ferlands_Head 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EddieVedder Posted March 13, 2022 Share Posted March 13, 2022 6 hours ago, Ferlands_Head said: Exactly, If you look at the goals from his rookie season his release is lightning fast, he's got more foot speed and is creating chances on his own. 2:10 Automatic goal from this spot - This season right into the crest. Check out that release at 4:25 - This season Boeser doesn't score that. 6:20 and check out his hand eye and release 7:46 He beats Strahlman wide and snipes it, doesn't have that kind of speed anymore 8:53 check out that extra move he does to open him up for that insane shot We haven't seen this BB since his rookie season. Maybe it's the 20lbs he put on, maybe he's damaged good we don't know. All I know is he's not the same player. Baertschi was a pretty skilled player. Gave Boeser gift after gift that year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeyD Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 21 hours ago, EddieVedder said: Whats myers worth? 5 mill? Im okay if we overpay him by a mill. There is no one in our system that comes even close to replacing him. Myers is hella underrated here. I'd give him 4 max. Canucks have a huge tendency to overpay every dmen in their system. If he was consistent he could make 5 but some nights he handles it like a hand grenade. If Tanev is wroth 4 million ain't no way I'd pay more than that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RU SERIOUS Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 On 3/1/2022 at 8:24 PM, RWJC said: The only thing Brock battles is split ends. Ahhhhh, we're gonna miss brock when he's gone............. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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