JM_ Posted June 9, 2022 Share Posted June 9, 2022 (edited) To Vegas: Rathbone and Aidan McDonough To Vancouver: Nic Roy and Nic Hague Why? Roy is a good fit for us at 3C, good size right hand shot that Vegas probably can't afford anymore due to their cap hell. Aidan McD is a promising prospect of the type that they will need in 2-3 years if/when he's ready to play in the NHL. Rathbone is great, but we're set on the left side for puck moving and need more size. Hague is a downgrade offensively, but we need big bodies on d. Vegas is offer sheet vulnerable and we'd be offering solid value back. Vegas is also helped out on their cap with Rathbone being a 10.2.c RFA, with zero negotiating rights. Edited June 9, 2022 by JM_ 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BPA Posted June 9, 2022 Share Posted June 9, 2022 Sure. Why not. We get NHL players and they get prospects. Don’t think Vegas will go for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted June 9, 2022 Author Share Posted June 9, 2022 25 minutes ago, BPA said: Sure. Why not. We get NHL players and they get prospects. Don’t think Vegas will go for it. Vegas is in a tough spot tho, Roy is a nice offer sheet target that only costs a 2nd that Vegas can't match. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Provost Posted June 9, 2022 Share Posted June 9, 2022 39 minutes ago, BPA said: Sure. Why not. We get NHL players and they get prospects. Don’t think Vegas will go for it. Have you seen their cap situation? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4petesake Posted June 9, 2022 Share Posted June 9, 2022 Problem is that AM isn’t signed so we could only trade his rights. Can’t see Vegas trading for the rights to someone who will be free to sign anywhere at the end of his season. Another prospect maybe? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shanghaii Owey Ice Posted June 9, 2022 Share Posted June 9, 2022 Garland for Roy and Dadaddnov Dadanov is a cap dump we only need to take 1 year of. We have Petey, Bo and Roy for the foreseeable future. Skill, 2 way dependability, size Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuxfanabroad Posted June 9, 2022 Share Posted June 9, 2022 Or Garland & Dermott, for Roy, Hague-monster & Daddy-O? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted June 10, 2022 Share Posted June 10, 2022 I’m liking the idea of moving Bone (who has no spot in our lineup) and McDonnough (who is likely to go the free agent route summer 2023) Rather we sent them to Boston though, for Carlo. Boston appears to be headed into a rebuild. Might be perfect timing for us to get Hughes a partner. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildcam Posted June 10, 2022 Share Posted June 10, 2022 3 hours ago, BPA said: Sure. Why not. We get NHL players and they get prospects. Don’t think Vegas will go for it. Vegas want to move Dadonov 33, 5'11--last season GP 79- G 20 - PTS 43 ---- 1 yr remaining @ 5 million--- Vegas want Ferland 3.5 LTI-- Vegas retain 800,000 of Dadonov contract and add Dylan Coghlan RD, 6'2, 24, RFA- to make the deal ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil_314 Posted June 10, 2022 Share Posted June 10, 2022 22 minutes ago, wildcam said: Vegas want to move Dadonov 33, 5'11--last season GP 79- G 20 - PTS 43 ---- 1 yr remaining @ 5 million--- Vegas want Ferland 3.5 LTI-- Vegas retain 800,000 of Dadonov contract and add Dylan Coghlan RD, 6'2, 24, RFA- to make the deal ?? Not bad, but does he have the upside? (He scored 13 points in 59 games and played 14 minutes a night) I'd rather poach a 3rd C in Roy (RFA) OR ask for Whitecloud (25 years old, signed for $2.75 million for several more years) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted June 10, 2022 Author Share Posted June 10, 2022 1 hour ago, Alflives said: I’m liking the idea of moving Bone (who has no spot in our lineup) and McDonnough (who is likely to go the free agent route summer 2023) Rather we sent them to Boston though, for Carlo. Boston appears to be headed into a rebuild. Might be perfect timing for us to get Hughes a partner. if Boston would do that, you have to say yes. I wasn't aiming that high but that would be a great deal for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coconuts Posted June 10, 2022 Share Posted June 10, 2022 1 hour ago, Alflives said: I’m liking the idea of moving Bone (who has no spot in our lineup) and McDonnough (who is likely to go the free agent route summer 2023) Rather we sent them to Boston though, for Carlo. Boston appears to be headed into a rebuild. Might be perfect timing for us to get Hughes a partner. You don't get Carlo for that 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VegasCanuck Posted June 10, 2022 Share Posted June 10, 2022 4 hours ago, Shanghaii Owey Ice said: Garland for Roy and Dadaddnov Dadanov is a cap dump we only need to take 1 year of. We have Petey, Bo and Roy for the foreseeable future. Skill, 2 way dependability, size To Vegas: Garland 2022 4th round pick To Vancouver Roy Dadanov 2022 2nd round pick That generally works for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VegasCanuck Posted June 10, 2022 Share Posted June 10, 2022 What about going after someone in the Vegas farm system like: Daniil Miromanov Offer sheet him for 1.5 million on a one way, 1 year deal. Would cost us a 3rd round pick to see if he's able to round out his game under BB etc. He's a big RD who had a pretty solid year in the Vegas farm system. Vegas will likely be trying to resign him around 850k, they can't afford anything on the cap, so they may just let him walk. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildcam Posted June 10, 2022 Share Posted June 10, 2022 2 hours ago, Phil_314 said: Not bad, but does he have the upside? (He scored 13 points in 59 games and played 14 minutes a night) I'd rather poach a 3rd C in Roy (RFA) OR ask for Whitecloud (25 years old, signed for $2.75 million for several more years) I can't see Vegas moving Whitecloud 25, they need his 2.7 million contract and only 25...Good value contract for 7 yrs so Vegas won't move.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mll Posted June 10, 2022 Share Posted June 10, 2022 3 hours ago, wildcam said: Vegas want to move Dadonov 33, 5'11--last season GP 79- G 20 - PTS 43 ---- 1 yr remaining @ 5 million--- Vegas want Ferland 3.5 LTI-- Vegas retain 800,000 of Dadonov contract and add Dylan Coghlan RD, 6'2, 24, RFA- to make the deal ?? They definitely don't want Ferland. It carves into a team's cap space to operate in LTIR and will make it even more challenging for them. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mll Posted June 10, 2022 Share Posted June 10, 2022 5 hours ago, Nuxfanabroad said: Or Garland & Dermott, for Roy, Hague-monster & Daddy-O? 5 hours ago, Shanghaii Owey Ice said: Garland for Roy and Dadaddnov Dadanov is a cap dump we only need to take 1 year of. We have Petey, Bo and Roy for the foreseeable future. Skill, 2 way dependability, size They are looking to clear cap space. Garland and Dadonov both make 5M so there's no cap being cleared. They need his 5M entirely off their books or will be forced to trade someone they prefer to keep over him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammertime Posted June 10, 2022 Share Posted June 10, 2022 (edited) 7 hours ago, JM_ said: To Vegas: Rathbone and Aidan McDonough To Vancouver: Nic Roy and Nic Hague Why? Roy is a good fit for us at 3C, good size right hand shot that Vegas probably can't afford anymore due to their cap hell. Aidan McD is a promising prospect of the type that they will need in 2-3 years if/when he's ready to play in the NHL. Rathbone is great, but we're set on the left side for puck moving and need more size. Hague is a downgrade offensively, but we need big bodies on d. Vegas is offer sheet vulnerable and we'd be offering solid value back. Vegas is also helped out on their cap with Rathbone being a 10.2.c RFA, with zero negotiating rights. Out of curiosity. What contract numbers are we talking? Maybe Vegas would prefer the offer sheets. There may be a bidding war. I would imagine multiple teams are considering offer sheets not just us. Like where you're going though. Edited June 10, 2022 by hammertime 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil_314 Posted June 10, 2022 Share Posted June 10, 2022 22 minutes ago, hammertime said: Out of curiosity. What contract numbers are we talking? Maybe Vegas would prefer the offer sheets. There may be a bidding war. I would imagine multiple teams are considering offer sheets not just us. Like where you're going though. As much as it's possible that there could be a race to sign them to the offer sheet, isn't it still only one team that gets to sign the player? Also (knowing Vegas' current lack of cap space) if no one helps them e.g. by taking Dadonov earlier, they're at the mercy of another team e.g. one that would likely just sign each of them to say a $4 million contract (which only amounts to a 2nd for each offer sheet). Even if teams do race, I wonder if they'll be as open to splurging when compared to UFA signings, since it still affects which draft pick(s) are sent as compensation, as well as the team's cap structure. So I don't think that competition would be as fierce, aside from which team tenders the OS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mll Posted June 10, 2022 Share Posted June 10, 2022 32 minutes ago, hammertime said: Out of curiosity. What contract numbers are we talking? Maybe Vegas would prefer the offer sheets. There may be a bidding war. I would imagine multiple teams are considering offer sheets not just us. Like where you're going though. They are further along in their development than a 2nd round pick in 2023. He gets to decide where he wants to sign that offer-sheet - Vegas can only match. A 5 year contract or shorter between 2.1M and 4.2M is only worth a 2nd round pick. To move up to a 1st + 3rd round compensation, the overall contract has to be worth more than 21M on a 6 or 7 year deal: 6 x 3.5M or 7 x 3M 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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