Popular Post Chickenspear Posted January 4, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted January 4, 2023 Let's maybe give the kid some time before writing him off completely. It's only been 6 months since his draft. 2 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted January 4, 2023 Share Posted January 4, 2023 4 minutes ago, Locke Lamora said: It almost seems like the most predictable thing ever that Allvin’s first pick was a Swede. Not saying he wasn’t the BPA….but…. But did they rank him higher because he was Swedish? I mean if Gradin was pushing hard for him that’s one thing. But his first two picks being Swedes makes me think Allvin ranked them higher because of their nationality. And was he actually the consensus BPA? Or do they just say that after to try and project unity among the scouts and GMs? Let’s not forget Allvin was a European scout for the Canadiens and Pens. In that time he had a horrible track record of picks. I’m not so confident that our drafting isn’t going to suck under this regime. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Locke Lamora Posted January 4, 2023 Share Posted January 4, 2023 11 minutes ago, Chickenspear said: Let's maybe give the kid some time before writing him off completely. It's only been 6 months since his draft. Anyone writing the kid off at this point is just plain dumb. But I don’t think its out of line to say he’s been a disappointment since he was drafted. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Tre Mac Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 Looks like Brackett snagged the better swede at 19. This was a pick this organization had to get right and just like a bunch of other decisions it appears they got wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
higgyfan Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 8 hours ago, Darkstar said: Officially a bust. He looks terrible at every single level. At least Juolevi looked decent at the World Juniors as well as the CHL. 18 hours ago, Captain Canuck #12 said: Skimming through these pages, I haven't seen anybody say that he's a bust, although maybe you could find one or two instances with a more detailed 'skim' (and that doesn't include saying he's been a "bustaroo") What people are saying is that it's concerning how poorly he has played since being drafted, considering how highly-rated he was at the draft. That's just stating fact. And to get defensive about someone saying this means that you are being overly sensitive and probably wearing rose coloured glasses --- which is another fact! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cocanuck Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 I have to admit,, first time i have seen him play and there really wasnt much there.. no dynamic quality.. on the bright side i was impressed with petterson! Kid looks like a solid player! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VegasCanuck Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 8 hours ago, DeNiro said: My question is would Allvin have taken him if he wasn’t Swedish? We don’t need to be taking players because of their nationality, and I’m not convinced Allvin didn’t rank him higher because he’s Swedish. We weren’t gonna hit another home run with another Pettersson selection. Not that we need another player like Pettersson anyways. We need to be rounding out our team with players with different skill sets. Not everyone can be a sniper we need playmakers. We also need big bodied guys that can dig in the corners and make plays. I think this kid has talent, but I do feel like we are spending too many resources on Sweden right now. We need to be exploring players from all countries. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustABandwagoner Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 20 hours ago, Captain Canuck #12 said: Skimming through these pages, I haven't seen anybody say that he's a bust, although maybe you could find one or two instances with a more detailed 'skim' (and that doesn't include saying he's been a "bustaroo") What people are saying is that it's concerning how poorly he has played since being drafted, considering how highly-rated he was at the draft. That's just stating fact. And to get defensive about someone saying this means that you are being overly sensitive and probably wearing rose coloured glasses --- which is another fact! BUST Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Heffy Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 2 hours ago, Tre Mac said: Looks like Brackett snagged the better swede at 19. This was a pick this organization had to get right and just like a bunch of other decisions it appears they got wrong. Bichsel would have been really nice too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnthonyG Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 All I will say is in pretty much every final ranking I read, Lekkerimaki ranks in the top 10 in pretty much every final ranking and as high as 7th. https://www.sportingnews.com/ca/amp/nhl/news/nhl-draft-2022-big-board-top-100-players-draft-class/h6l24czrwdpmlqzun3hm0ywz https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/sportsnets-2022-nhl-draft-prospect-rankings-final-edition/sn-amp/ https://thehockeywriters.com/2022-nhl-draft-rankings-final-june-baracchini/ https://www.nhl.com/bluejackets/news/blue-jackets-2022-nhl-draft-consensus-poll-rankings/c-334744042 https://www.habseyesontheprize.com/platform/amp/2022/7/3/23192056/2022-nhl-draft-rankings-consensus-wright-slafkovsky-cooley-bob-mckenzie-athletic-prospects-elite https://syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/10039146-2022-nhl-draft-big-board-brs-final-rankings.amp.html Lets just let the kid develop. He is one of the youngest in the draft. So a little more time and some attention to some detail could pay dividends. Has the best shot in the draft already. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildcam Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 All you negative poster NHL draft guide 2022 had him a #11 guy????? The kid just turned 18 and has injuries this half of the season.... Get a life and stop this garbage 18 years old and your predicting his future...Pathetic posters with negative comments.. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Captain Canuck #12 Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 2 hours ago, AnthonyG said: All I will say is in pretty much every final ranking I read, Lekkerimaki ranks in the top 10 in pretty much every final ranking and as high as 7th. https://www.sportingnews.com/ca/amp/nhl/news/nhl-draft-2022-big-board-top-100-players-draft-class/h6l24czrwdpmlqzun3hm0ywz https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/sportsnets-2022-nhl-draft-prospect-rankings-final-edition/sn-amp/ https://thehockeywriters.com/2022-nhl-draft-rankings-final-june-baracchini/ https://www.nhl.com/bluejackets/news/blue-jackets-2022-nhl-draft-consensus-poll-rankings/c-334744042 https://www.habseyesontheprize.com/platform/amp/2022/7/3/23192056/2022-nhl-draft-rankings-consensus-wright-slafkovsky-cooley-bob-mckenzie-athletic-prospects-elite https://syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/10039146-2022-nhl-draft-big-board-brs-final-rankings.amp.html Lets just let the kid develop. He is one of the youngest in the draft. So a little more time and some attention to some detail could pay dividends. Has the best shot in the draft already. I wouldn't argue that Lekkerimaki wasn't highly ranked. What I would point out though, is that Kemmel was usually ranked higher (including in 4/6 of the above rankings). When Allvin had the chance to still grab Kemmel at #15, why did he ever choose Lekkerimaki? My feeling at the time was that it was simply because Lekkerimaki is the Swede. I would hope this wasn't the case, but I can't see any other good reason why he would project Lekkerimaki to be a better player than Kemmel in the long-run. Certainly this hasn't been the case to this point in time. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Canuck #12 Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 3 hours ago, Tank4Bedard said: BUST 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boudrias Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 I prefer players from the WHL even if it isn't Bedard. If we have to take a Euro then look at the Czechs and Slovaks. Canucks are not hard to play against. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 1 minute ago, Boudrias said: I prefer players from the WHL even if it isn't Bedard. If we have to take a Euro then look at the Czechs and Slovaks. Canucks are not hard to play against. Wasn’t Virtanen from the WHL? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boudrias Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 Just now, Alflives said: Wasn’t Virtanen from the WHL? Yes he was Alf but don't hold that against the league. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 4 minutes ago, Boudrias said: Yes he was Alf but don't hold that against the league. Just so long as we don’t have a GM who overrules the years of hard work put in by our scouts to pick “his guy” (who he watched for one tournament) then it’s fine. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goal:thecup Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 (edited) 19 hours ago, DeNiro said: But did they rank him higher because he was Swedish? I mean if Gradin was pushing hard for him that’s one thing. But his first two picks being Swedes makes me think Allvin ranked them higher because of their nationality. And was he actually the consensus BPA? Or do they just say that after to try and project unity among the scouts and GMs? Let’s not forget Allvin was a European scout for the Canadiens and Pens. In that time he had a horrible track record of picks. I’m not so confident that our drafting isn’t going to suck under this regime. In the clips from the draft, PA was conferring with the other AGMs and scouts and asked them if they were all on the same page, i.e. that Lekkerimaki was the group's choice. He also said you could get (I forget what it was exactly, but something like) 2nd and 3rd line players by many different means, but you have to use the draft to get great talent. I am sure that nationality did not play a role in these consensus decisions. We do have good connections with Sweden and do get very good info on Swedish players, but I think this Swedish-Centric idea is misplaced. PA went BPA with our 1st and, even though he is Swedish, took a big, strong, good-skating defenseman with his pick in the 3rd round (EPv2.0), which is more for a position of need. I think Allvin and His Big Band of Chipmunks did very well at the 2022 draft regardless of your opinion of his prior drafts with the Habs and Pens. Edited January 5, 2023 by Goal:thecup Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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