Harold Drunken Posted July 13, 2022 Share Posted July 13, 2022 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Horvat is a Boss said: Love the player, question the contract. Mikheyev is a forechecking monster and an absolute speed demon who is not afraid to get physical. I think he would be a great fit as Pettersson's winger but his utility allows him to play a 3rd line checking role effectively as well. Really, he's the type of player who plays a simple, hard game and really could play anywhere with us. He was used pretty much exclusively on a matchup 3rd line in Toronto this past year and excelled. In the Playoffs he was great, pushing play into Tampa territory and being a nightmare for their defensemen while being responsible defensively. I think Mikheyev is Podkolzin with a higher RPM but less awareness, a great utility player. Mikheyev, Podkolzin and Kuzmenko now represent Russia on the Canucks after Podkolzin was isolated last year. The contract in isolation makes sense considering Mikheyev is coming off of a 21 goal, 32 point season in 53 games (a 32 goal, 49 point pace over 82 games) with 4 points in 7 Playoff games, but the Canucks have to be looking at another move. We already had enough top-9 wingers before this signing, so something has to give. Plus we need a 3C unless the team is running Dickinson in that spot next year, which would not be ideal. If we move out one of Pearson or Dickinson then the cap works out, but with no improvements on defense. The added area of concern is that Mikheyev has consistently had health problems, missing considerable time in two out of his three NHL seasons. We need to see the effect that this contract has on the overall team as a result of the cap. Like I said, Beagle was making $3 million per, Poolman $2.5 per, Dickinson $2.65, Pearson $3.25. Putting it into perspective I have no problem with it, it's right in line (actually under) what reports said were his price. Young, fast, kills penalties, super responsible defensively and coming off a career year - it's about right. Edited July 13, 2022 by Harold Drunken 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sell.the.team Posted July 13, 2022 Share Posted July 13, 2022 for someone who was on pace for 32 goals last season (extrapolated data, i know)...there sure seem to be a lot of posters and radio pundits alike harping on him offering 'virtually zero' offensive upside. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrJockitch Posted July 13, 2022 Share Posted July 13, 2022 9 minutes ago, Horvat is a Boss said: Love the player, question the contract. Mikheyev is a forechecking monster and an absolute speed demon who is not afraid to get physical. I think he would be a great fit as Pettersson's winger but his utility allows him to play a 3rd line checking role effectively as well. Really, he's the type of player who plays a simple, hard game and really could play anywhere with us. He was used pretty much exclusively on a matchup 3rd line in Toronto this past year and excelled. In the Playoffs he was great, pushing play into Tampa territory and being a nightmare for their defensemen while being responsible defensively. I think Mikheyev is Podkolzin with a higher RPM but less awareness, a great utility player. Mikheyev, Podkolzin and Kuzmenko now represent Russia on the Canucks after Podkolzin was isolated last year. The contract in isolation makes sense considering Mikheyev is coming off of a 21 goal, 32 point season in 53 games (a 32 goal, 49 point pace over 82 games) with 4 points in 7 Playoff games, but the Canucks have to be looking at another move. We already had enough top-9 wingers before this signing, so something has to give. Plus we need a 3C unless the team is running Dickinson in that spot next year, which would not be ideal. If we move out one of Pearson or Dickinson then the cap works out, but with no improvements on defense. The added area of concern is that Mikheyev has consistently had health problems, missing considerable time in two out of his three NHL seasons. We need to see the effect that this contract has on the overall team as a result of the cap. Well, you just described everything we need in our forward group. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R3aL Posted July 13, 2022 Share Posted July 13, 2022 11 minutes ago, Horvat is a Boss said: Love the player, question the contract. Mikheyev is a forechecking monster and an absolute speed demon who is not afraid to get physical. I think he would be a great fit as Pettersson's winger but his utility allows him to play a 3rd line checking role effectively as well. Really, he's the type of player who plays a simple, hard game and really could play anywhere with us. He was used pretty much exclusively on a matchup 3rd line in Toronto this past year and excelled. In the Playoffs he was great, pushing play into Tampa territory and being a nightmare for their defensemen while being responsible defensively. I think Mikheyev is Podkolzin with a higher RPM but less awareness, a great utility player. Mikheyev, Podkolzin and Kuzmenko now represent Russia on the Canucks after Podkolzin was isolated last year. The contract in isolation makes sense considering Mikheyev is coming off of a 21 goal, 32 point season in 53 games (a 32 goal, 49 point pace over 82 games) with 4 points in 7 Playoff games, but the Canucks have to be looking at another move. We already had enough top-9 wingers before this signing, so something has to give. Plus we need a 3C unless the team is running Dickinson in that spot next year, which would not be ideal. If we move out one of Pearson or Dickinson then the cap works out, but with no improvements on defense. The added area of concern is that Mikheyev has consistently had health problems, missing considerable time in two out of his three NHL seasons. We need to see the effect that this contract has on the overall team as a result of the cap. This is my biggest worry for Ilya, Can he stay healthy the way he plays. I really hope so, because if he can we could have a 25-30 Goal 50-60pt Guy who delivers a lot of intangibles to our team winning and really help his line mates. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrJockitch Posted July 13, 2022 Share Posted July 13, 2022 Just now, The.Burrowers said: for someone who was on pace for 32 goals last season (extrapolated data, i know)...there sure seem to be a lot of posters and radio pundits alike harping on him offering 'virtually zero' offensive upside. He scored at about same rate as Boeser. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noble 6 Posted July 13, 2022 Share Posted July 13, 2022 4 minutes ago, Harold Drunken said: Like I said, Beagle was making $3 million per, Poolman $2.5 per, Dickinson $2.65, Pearson $3.25. Putting it into perspective I have no problem with it, it's right in line (actually under) what reports said were his price. Young, fast, kills penalties, super responsible defensively and coming off a career year - it's about right. Those are not the contracts we should be using as organizational benchmarks, those are the contracts we should be looking to get rid of because too many of them bring down the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ilya Mikheyev Posted July 13, 2022 Share Posted July 13, 2022 2 minutes ago, The.Burrowers said: for someone who was on pace for 32 goals last season (extrapolated data, i know)...there sure seem to be a lot of posters and radio pundits alike harping on him offering 'virtually zero' offensive upside. he was top-30 in goals per 60 mins played played with two mediocre players in Kampf and Engvall, and was the play driver on his own line pundits are haters, Mikheyev gonna hit 35 goals/60-65 points this year playing with Petey 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenny Blankenship Posted July 13, 2022 Share Posted July 13, 2022 Don’t know too much other than he’s got speed to burn, could he be our Russian Zack Hyman? Nice to see a bit of size. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scottydzik Posted July 13, 2022 Share Posted July 13, 2022 2 hours ago, CRAZY_4_NAZZY said: I'm scared about this deal tbh, the kid struggles with staying healthy. Could be a nice gamble, but a guy whose career year was 32 points last year, 4.75 seems steep. Ya it is definitely scary Podz Horvat mikeyhev would hate play that line. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ilya Mikheyev Posted July 13, 2022 Share Posted July 13, 2022 Just now, Kenny Blankenship said: Don’t know too much other than he’s got speed to burn, could he be our Russian Zack Hyman? Nice to see a bit of size. Actually not a bad comp. Last year he paced higher for goals than Hyman ever has though, but Hyman might be a bit better/useful as a net front presence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R3aL Posted July 13, 2022 Share Posted July 13, 2022 SN650 just made a Grabner comparison . I like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harold Drunken Posted July 13, 2022 Share Posted July 13, 2022 3 minutes ago, Horvat is a Boss said: Those are not the contracts we should be using as organizational benchmarks, those are the contracts we should be looking to get rid of because too many of them bring down the team. 100% agree you're preaching to the choir, they were being used for perspective, as I explained. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mbnuckfan Posted July 13, 2022 Share Posted July 13, 2022 1 hour ago, Jayinblack said: Got to admit i had to double check the 5'10" cause he does NOT seem that. He isn't, he even said in an interview that he's not near 5'10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coryberg Posted July 13, 2022 Share Posted July 13, 2022 5 minutes ago, R3aL said: SN650 just made a Grabner comparison . I like that. They just said Lazar has really good speed as well 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilduce39 Posted July 13, 2022 Share Posted July 13, 2022 17 minutes ago, Harold Drunken said: No we'd definitely know already, there's would be 4th liners and fringe NHL'ers being signed to $2.5 and $3 million dollar per year contracts. Is signing a 3rd line guy to a 4.75 million dollar contract much better? I like the signing because I’m a homer and can appreciate the PK / speed element we need but if Benning does this deal people are looking at it a lot more negatively. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesB Posted July 13, 2022 Share Posted July 13, 2022 6 minutes ago, Teemu Selänne said: he was top-30 in goals per 60 mins played played with two mediocre players in Kampf and Engvall, and was the play driver on his own line pundits are haters, Mikheyev gonna hit 35 goals/60-65 points this year playing with Petey Hope this is how things work out. To me, this is the first big test of the new management group. With the beefed up pro scouting unit, new AGMs, and emphasis on consensus decision-making not to mention Allvin and JR at the top, I am sure a lot of due diligence went into this move. Mikheyev is a good player but this is a high price tag, especially for a team as cap-constrained as the Canucks. The Canucks do have just enough cap room for today's moves but they will be into LTIR and have basically zero cap room left unless they move someone out. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post SID.IS.SID.ME.IS.ME Posted July 13, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted July 13, 2022 Great acquisition. Love the player and what he brings. Contract seems maybe a tad high (I think he models at around $4.1M value FWIW), but I’m sure the market required stepping up to this kind of AAV to get a deal done. I’d expect there were many other teams interested/competing on Mikheyev, and with at least a few offers in the same neighbourhood on salary and term. This will be a test of the new management and pro scouting. Results TBD. Certainly Mikheyev’s last season (assuming it’s representative long term) more than justifies this level of contract. If he continues at that rate, or improves on it, and maintains his underlying numbers, this contract will prove to be a significant bargain. If he drops back to something closer to what you see in his three-year weighted average, then he might underperform on value. I’m more inclined to believe he’s on the upswing and last season was just a taste of what he can provide to this team over the next four seasons. But it’s a gamble. An informed gamble, of course, and he’s a very good player to bet on. Hopefully this acquisition and contract will look very good on our managers and pro scouts in the coming years. 4 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junkyard Dog Posted July 13, 2022 Share Posted July 13, 2022 If he outplays Garland then it’s a good contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FutureFilm Posted July 13, 2022 Share Posted July 13, 2022 (edited) Like the signing. Def brings a bit of muscle and speed to our top 6/9. Improves our PK. So Pearson maybe Garland out? So our potential lineup if we keep Miller? Miller-Petey-Boeser Mikheyev?-Horvat-Podkolzin Kuzmenko?-Dickinson-Hoglander Dowling?-Lazar-Lockwood? OEL-Myers Hughes-Schenn Dermott-Burroughs Demko Martin Edited July 13, 2022 by FutureFilm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mustard Tiger Posted July 13, 2022 Share Posted July 13, 2022 (edited) 34 minutes ago, rekker said: He will. His speed and size is something the top six is desperately needing. Even your gm calls him what he is. A middle 6 not top 6 lol Edited July 13, 2022 by Mustard Tiger Holy crap brain what even happened lmao Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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