[Signing] Canucks re-sign J.T. Miller

[DeNiro]

1 minute ago, KirkSave said:

Every time the Leafs head into a new season with Dubas and their "elite" core 4. Their fans be like.

 

 

Maybe if they traded one of them for a proper starting goalie...plus you got to win a round or 2, right @DeNiro!

Lol.

 

Its in Leafs media’s contract to hype them and call them contenders. No one takes that noise seriously.

[BPA]

4 minutes ago, -DLC- said:

What site is this?

Just PlayNow

[-DLC-]

6 minutes ago, BPA said:

Just PlayNow

 

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[-DLC-]

Also, I bet longshots, always have.

 

I love it when people are so sure of the favourite that doesn't come in. And I go cash in my ticket because I saw something they didn't.

 

When you're dealing with live creatures/humans, it's a little unpredictable. Especially when the oddsmakers likely don't factor in some of the things they should. They often factor in past performances....but Petey was hurt. And Green. And....

 

whatever.

 

I'll bet on my team. you guys keep coming up with arguments based on your opinions but I don't think you know as much as you think you do. Because you've got it all figured out but no one possibly can at this point.

[AV.]

4 minutes ago, DeNiro said:

I’m well aware who he is.

 

He was not mainstream at the time which disproves your example that mainstream were claiming they were contenders.

The Hockey News and Bleacher Report are mainstream.  Why is mainstream the barometer for valid opinion, anyway?  My example of Tulsky demonstrates that being a fan, blogger, "amateur", or whatever poses no limitations or disadvantages in being able to correctly assess teams.  If a team makes the playoffs two years in a row in the mid-seed position like LA did and then makes the moves the Kings did, it is not now, or then, unreasonable to say they moved into legitimate cup contender territory.  Just because they dogged the regular season that year, it didn't mean they suddenly weren't a good team anymore.  Coaching change and Carter acquisition steered them back on path and credit to them, they performed when it mattered most.

[Chris12345]

Just now, -DLC- said:

Also, I bet longshots, always have.

 

I love it when people are so sure of the favourite that doesn't come in.

 

When you're dealing with live creatures/humans, it's a little unpredictable. Especially when the oddsmakers likely don't factor in some of the things they should. They often factor in past performances....but Petey was hurt. And Green. And....

 

whatever. I'll bet on my team.

Rookie mistake....haha

 

I love betting against Vancouver.

 

They win, I win!

They lose, I win!

 

I call that the perfect hedge.

[4petesake]

2 hours ago, Master Mind said:

The 09 penguins and 12 kings were legitimate contenders from the start of the season. The kings underwhelmed in the regular season, but people were foolish for writing them off.

 

No Cinderella team has won the cup in the cap era.

 

We shouldn't be trying to just get in and hope for the best. We should be aiming to build sustainable success.

Of course the Pens were contenders from the start, any team with Crosby and Malkin would be. Entering the playoffs though their next highest scorer had 49 pts. They finished 8th in the league, 1 pt behind the Canucks. In the playoffs Fleury had the 10 worst sv%  out of 16. Contenders yes, but still improbable cup winners.

I’m not even going to comment again on the Kings, entering the playoffs only Ottawa and Washington had fewer points.  They were the first 8th seed to win a championship in North American professional sports history.

 

I didn’t say we should just try and get in and hope for the best. I was responding to @Alf’s comment that not every team that makes the playoffs is a legitimate contender. You win a cup the same way you eat an elephant…one bite at a time. Bite one - make the playoffs.

 

[-DLC-]

1 minute ago, Chris12345 said:

Rookie mistake....haha

 

I love betting against Vancouver.

 

They win, I win!

They lose, I win!

 

I call that the perfect hedge.

I'm talking at the track. I'd never bet against my team...I can't do it.

[DeNiro]

1 minute ago, -DLC- said:

Also, I bet longshots, always have.

 

I love it when people are so sure of the favourite that doesn't come in.

 

When you're dealing with live creatures/humans, it's a little unpredictable. Especially when the oddsmakers likely don't factor in some of the things they should. They often factor in past performances....but Petey was hurt. And Green. And....

 

whatever. I'll bet on my team.

That’s what I mean by odds lagging behind real success.

 

Obviously the majority of people see the Canucks as the team of the past few seasons and don’t see the improvements that are being made.

 

Im with you, I’ll bet on my team.

[Chris12345]

Just now, -DLC- said:

I'm talking at the track. I'd never bet against my team...I can't do it.

Right on

[Master Mind]

2 hours ago, Drive-By Body Pierce said:

St. Louis in 2018-19?

They were legit contenders going into the season. They had a terrible start, but the roster was still very good.

[Pure961089]

2 hours ago, DeNiro said:

Exactly.

 

They see that this team will win or lose on the backs of elite players like Hughes, Petey, and Demko. They’re obviously willing to make the bet after watching them that they’re a core that can get it done with the right supporting cast.

I’m looking forward to seeing how Demko performs in Oct, Nov Dec when the PK isn’t giving up 2 goals a game.   Rutherford identified Demko as a Star talent right from the get go.  And they know what they have in Hughes and Petey.  I think they love Garland too, Boudreau loves him. What’s not to love? He’s a great middle 6 player who excels 5 on 5 and he’s on a great contract.  Everyone can see Podkolzin is a star waiting to bust out.  And then theirs Brock Boeser who seems to have been forgotten.  Don’t sleep on him, he’ll get 30 this year.  He’s got something to prove as well as Pettersson.  

Edited September 5, 2022 by Pure961089

[aGENT]

57 minutes ago, Chris12345 said:

Yea no one in the Pacific is a contender. Just an absolute trashy division.

VGK and CAL are probably closest. though Vegas seems to be trying their best to shorten their window (implode?) with a series of ...interesting ... moves. Calgary arguably got better this year (I thought they were overhyped last year...turns out they were) but has also shortened their window. LAK will continue to move forward (not dissimilar to the Canucks). Edmonton *should* be about the same or maybe slightly better retaining Kane, adding Murray etc...but man, what a flawed build and the string and rubberbands keeping Kane in check and that AHL defence/goaltending could fly apart at any minute in to a fantastic explosion... 

[aliboy]

2 hours ago, Drive-By Body Pierce said:

St. Louis in 2018-19?

They were the last team to win on the sum of the parts. It can be done, was recently done, and we will now try to succeed with that same model.

[Master Mind]

2 hours ago, DeNiro said:

You bet money on them because of the odds be serious.

 

They did come out of nowhere and you can only say that after the fact. At the time no one thought they would beat the presidents trophy winners. 

Nah there were no odds at play. I definitely should have made a bet like that though.

 

My point being that they weren't some bubble team trying to just make the playoffs, which is what we appear to be.

 

Those Kings are often brought up as the example that anything can happen in the playoffs. But the true Cinderella teams (not including contenders who had poor regular seasons) always fall short in the cap era -- making the finals at best.

[Master Mind]

36 minutes ago, 4petesake said:

Of course the Pens were contenders from the start, any team with Crosby and Malkin would be. Entering the playoffs though their next highest scorer had 49 pts. They finished 8th in the league, 1 pt behind the Canucks. In the playoffs Fleury had the 10 worst sv%  out of 16. Contenders yes, but still improbable cup winners.

I’m not even going to comment again on the Kings, entering the playoffs only Ottawa and Washington had fewer points.  They were the first 8th seed to win a championship in North American professional sports history.

 

I didn’t say we should just try and get in and hope for the best. I was responding to @Alf’s comment that not every team that makes the playoffs is a legitimate contender. You win a cup the same way you eat an elephant…one bite at a time. Bite one - make the playoffs.

 

I agree with that comment -- not every playoff team is a true contender.

 

There was no way Nashville, Dallas, or Washington were winning the cup last year. There are teams like this every year that are easy write offs.

 

Even the ones who do cause an upset, like the 2017 Preds sweeping Chicago, they eventually fell to a true contender in Pittsburgh.

[Pure961089]

3 hours ago, Alflives said:

Isn’t the media criticism more about the timing of these two signings though?  Flames are in must try an win now mode, while we are actually more in a building mode, no?  

Personally I think the Flames WAY overpaid for Huberdough and we got Miller on an excellent deal. 

We’re not sure what Calgary has right now.  They had a magical year and had a magical line, everyone on that line scored 40 goals. The chemistry was on a Sedins Burrows level. But that line was decimated. The magic they had is gone.  They’re kind of starting from scratch.  I don’t expect them to be nearly as dominant as they were last year.  But I agree they were desperate and had no choice.  Canucks are being proactive and looking ahead.  They’re confident, and they give a reassuring feeling.  I had no faith in Benning and Green. 

Edited September 5, 2022 by Pure961089

[-DLC-]

So...by the standards set here by some, Avs were not "true contenders" yet....they won the cup. I mean, getting "into" the playoffs doesn't cut it, remember? Means nothing. Bubble stuff. I'm sure the yardsticks'll be moved now though. 

You know what makes a team a contender? Not just a roster...on paper. Staying injury free. Goaltender playing lights out. Getting good/fair officiating. Guys firing on all cylinders at the same time (hot streaks vs cold ones). 

 

And getting into the playoffs gives teams experience (and confidence). 

It isn't predetermined. There are probabilities, sure. But you can't predict all of those things working out at the same time.  It just can't be dumbed down like that and I'm surprised that some people are so stubborn they don't consider all the factors that could weigh in. Not just who is the bestest.

 

[Chris12345]

11 minutes ago, Pure961089 said:

We’re not sure what Calgary has right now.  They had a magical year and had a magical line, everyone on that line scored 40 goals. The chemistry was on a Sedins Burrows level. But that line was decimated. The magic they had is gone.  They’re kind of starting from scratch.  I don’t expect them to be nearly as dominant as they were last year.  But I agree they were desperate and had no choice.  Canucks are being proactive and looking ahead.  They’re confident, and they give a reassuring feeling.  I had no faith in Benning and Green. 

Call me crazy and I apologize for the profanity but I think Calgary is actually better this year.

 

They might not finish as high in the standings point wise but I always thought they sucked last year. Not so sure this year.

[Alflives]

3 hours ago, SilentSam said:

so many headlines and people reacting to this contract as the “ Win Now Mode” .

 

We’ll be winning for the next 5 years at least!

 

as much as this player is about having strength on the team now,.  This is about shaping it for the future.

 

Trading him would have been going back to a simple foundation, and building up all over again.

Okay, but the fact still remains we didn’t make the playoffs with JT having a career year.  As he ages is he going to get better or decline bit by bit?