[PGT] Vancouver Canucks at Toronto Maple Leafs | Nov. 12, 2022

[Odd.]

Schenn is 33 years old but he’s aging like fine wine. This guy can probably play until he’s 40 years old, especially with the amount of games he’s missed the last 5-6 years, he seems like a guy who has a lot left in the tank. 
 

33 years old was top 5 in hits last season, leading the league in hits so far this season, you know he’s got A LOT left in the tank. 
 

Re sign this guy. Our best defenseman this season and it’s not even remotely close.

[shiznak]

50 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said:

I'm sorry bro, but even Petey had 3 hits tonight, while fly by BO had zero.  Sure, he can score goals and take faceoffs, but his unwillingness to engage with the opposition and even throw one hit in 60 minutes is quite disturbing and shows a lack of passion.  He should take some lessons from Luke Schenn on how to be more physical out there.  The guy is 215 pounds for crying out loud.  Petey is 176 pounds with his equipment on...

For a guy who had 3 hits, Pettersson was pretty unnoticeable today. 6th lowest xGF/60, with only 2 scoring chances. 
 

In comparison, Horvat led the forwards in scoring chances with 8 and was 3rd on the team in xGF/60.

 

But I guess, generating hits win you games.

[Elias Pettersson]

It's too bad Kevin Bieksa wasted his time talking to these players.  Whatever he told them went in one ear and out the other.  This team does not play as a team.  It plays as individuals.  That 2011 team was a "team".  It supported each other, had each other's backs, stuck up for one another.  Same with the 1994 team.  Hockey is a team game.  The "team" will always beat individual talent. 

 

Hockey is also a contact sport.  Surprised to see people say that players don't need to hit anymore.  If you watch playoff hockey, intimidation is a big part of winning the cup.  Look what happened to the Canucks in 2011.  They got intimidated by Boston and lost the cup as a result.  We had way more talent than Boson that year, but Boston had way more heart and physicality.  Marchand using Daniel's face as a punching bag with no pushback was the downfall of that team.  

 

Even Colorado learned their lesson and brought in Kadri, Nichushkin, Manson and others so they could withstand the physicality of the playoffs and win the cup.

[Elias Pettersson]

24 minutes ago, shiznak said:

For a guy who had 3 hits, Pettersson was pretty unnoticeable today. 6th lowest xGF/60, with only 2 scoring chances. 
 

In comparison, Horvat led the forwards in scoring chances with 8 and was 3rd on the team in xGF/60.

 

But I guess, generating hits win you games.

There is a reason Luke Schenn has won a Stanley Cup.  He knows what is takes to win and has been around other star players who also know how to win.  He probably goes to the rink every day and just shakes his head at the players he has to play with every day...

[Coconuts]

15 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said:

It's too bad Kevin Bieksa wasted his time talking to these players.  Whatever he told them went in one ear and out the other.  This team does not play as a team.  It plays as individuals.  That 2011 team was a "team".  It supported each other, had each other's backs, stuck up for one another.  Same with the 1994 team.  Hockey is a team game.  The "team" will always beat individual talent. 

 

Hockey is also a contact sport.  Surprised to see people say that players don't need to hit anymore.  If you watch playoff hockey, intimidation is a big part of winning the cup.  Look what happened to the Canucks in 2011.  They got intimidated by Boston and lost the cup as a result.  We had way more talent than Boson that year, but Boston had way more heart and physicality.  Marchand using Daniel's face as a punching bag with no pushback was the downfall of that team.  

 

Even Colorado learned their lesson and brought in Kadri, Nichushkin, Manson and others so they could withstand the physicality of the playoffs and win the cup.

That isn't what's being argued. Hitting is important, it's part of the game, but it's also overblown. Horvat throwing the odd hit and there isn't going to change things, the folks who want to harp on him will find something else. Hitting on it's own isn't going to move the needle, and if your team is always trying to chase guys around the defensive zone and nail them you're probably not the team on the ice with the better possession game. Scoring goals and stopping the other team from scoring are what matter, and we suck at the latter. Hitting more isn't going to mask the fact that our D isn't good enough as a group, or that the team in general isn't good enough defensively. 

 

Hitting has it's place, but the intimidation game ain't nearly what it used to be, even come playoff time. It's night and day from even the 2000's. Bruins vs Blues is probably the closest thing we've had to that in a long time. 

 

And the Canucks bit was much more complicated in the final, it wasn't just a lack of toughness. By the time they got to the final it was more of a stumble, not a run. They were injured to all hell. Realistically there was probably more that didn't get out. https://www.nhl.com/news/canucks-walking-wounded-aim-to-get-healthy/c-566315

 

Colorado didn't bully their way to a cup, they skated their way to one. Their entire team came at you in waves, really quick waves, they played Tampa's game better than they could. 

 

12 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said:

There is a reason Luke Schenn has won a Stanley Cup.  He knows what is takes to win and has been around other star players who also know how to win.  He probably goes to the rink every day and just shakes his head at the players he has to play with every day...

Yeah, he played on a modern day dynasty team. He was a piece of the puzzle but let's not pretend he's what was stirring the drink. 

Edited November 13, 2022 by Coconuts

[Canuck You]

Hope we lose tomorrow...with all due respect.

[R3aL]

2 hours ago, Provost said:

One more loss in the next five and we can’t make it to .500 by the 20 game mark.

 

We have a tougher schedule coming up, we had a lot of games against bottom feeders so far.

 

I guess we can hope we will see a lot of back up goalies and teams looking past us to give a better chance at stringing some winds together.  I don’t hold out much hope though.

 

This might be the earliest I post my “The odds are so low this year it is time to think of moves to improve our chances next season and beyond.” thread.

 

Honestly, even going 4-0-1 in the next stretch just gets us to unlikely playoff odds.  

 

Season feels dead as ever in any way you look at it

[shiznak]

32 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said:

There is a reason Luke Schenn has won a Stanley Cup.  He knows what is takes to win and has been around other star players who also know how to win.  He probably goes to the rink every day and just shakes his head at the players he has to play with every day...

Why hasn’t Ryan Reeves won a Cup? Or Brady Tkachuk? Or Matt Martin?

 

Guys who led the league in hits the past 5 years. 

[J-23]

Just now, shiznak said:

Why hasn’t Ryan Reeves won a Cup? Or Brady Tkachuk? Or Matt Martin?

 

Guys who led the league in hits the past 5 years. 

Horvat: On pace for 50 goals

Fans: No hits?

[CanucksJay]

If you hang on to petey and Quinn and anyone younger and sell everyone else, team will obviously ensure they finish at the bottom of the standing thins year. 

(basically trade, Miller, Pearson, Horvat, Boeser, Myers, OEL, Garland, Schenn, Kuz and Mikheyev) 

Say we finally luck out and get Bedard. We'll prob also have a couple other 1st rounders as well that might be difference makers

Are Bedard, Petey, Podz, Hughes, Demko enough to rebuild a team around? 

 

Management said they have to get creative. 

Getting creative is figuring out a great balance between salary retainment and value  coming back and then packaging it up and making other deals happen where we aren't retaining salary on Miller or OEL for more than 3 years. 

Basically, we need to eat major cap of guys like Myers Garland and Pearson who are done in 2/3 years and maximize the return and use some of it to ensure we are out of the long term cap hits like OEL and Miller

It can be done but they are going to have to wheel and deal. 

 

Edited November 13, 2022 by CanucksJay

[J-23]

48 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said:

There is a reason Luke Schenn has won a Stanley Cup.  He knows what is takes to win and has been around other star players who also know how to win.  He probably goes to the rink every day and just shakes his head at the players he has to play with every day...

Schenn was a 7th defencmen on stacked Bolts teams 

Edited November 13, 2022 by J-23

[Hairy Kneel]

3 hours ago, mordekai said:

Burroughs and brisebois playing without any of those guys injured is never going to happen unfortunately 

we don’t have any accountability for poor play 

They were in when Hughes was out.

[aznmonk]

6 hours ago, Petey40 said:

I’m not even upset anymore, this team is what it is. Hopefully some big changes come or they tank and get an amazing player. But as of right now this team will never win. Ohwell, I’m apathetic.

So green wasn't the problem after all??? It's the rotten core with a rotten GM Benning.  Keeps doubling down on this group. When is owner gonna learn.. throwing money away to useless players. Picking up problem child's from other teams handing out money like it was candy.

[Alflives]

6 hours ago, Provost said:

That was after Gillis told them and got fired.

And Nonis told them and got fired.

[Elias Pettersson]

24 minutes ago, J-23 said:

Schenn was a 7th defencmen on stacked Bolts teams 

He was also in the dressing room and at the rink every day with Stamkos, Point, Cirelli, Hedman, Vasilevskiy, Sergachev, Cernak and Kucherov.  You know, guys that actually know how to win.  And guys that like to hit.  Imagine going from that dressing room to the dysfunctional one that he is in now.  I feel bad for him.  He probably has to take medication just to get by every day...

[Elias Pettersson]

38 minutes ago, shiznak said:

Why hasn’t Ryan Reeves won a Cup? Or Brady Tkachuk? Or Matt Martin?

 

Guys who led the league in hits the past 5 years. 

Nobody said all you need to do is hit, which is what those players do.  Reaves and Martin are goons.  Bad examples of players who play physical but can also contribute to the game, which neither one cannot.

 

Brady Tkachuk hasn't won a Stanley Cup because he plays for the Ottawa Senators.  

[Elias Pettersson]

39 minutes ago, J-23 said:

Horvat: On pace for 50 goals

Fans: No hits?

Imagine being 215 pounds and not wanting to hit the other team's players in a contact sport.  No wonder Horvat is the captain of one of the worst teams in the NHL over the last 10 years.  I miss the days of Trevor Linden.  

[RU SERIOUS]

7 hours ago, HKSR said:

So glad Boeser was on PP1 all night.

 

7 hours ago, Zhukini said:

Boeser's awful. no Lower body strength at all

 

7 hours ago, John.Tallhouse said:

Brock Boeser has to be one of the softest players 

 

7 hours ago, Petterson649 said:

boeser to any team for a 2nd rounder please

 

7 hours ago, Zhukini said:

You might be adding something to Boeser to get that contract off our hands

 

7 hours ago, shazzam said:

We'll need to add

 

7 hours ago, Maginator said:

Liquidate Myers, Boeser, Miller, Garland and come back refreshed next year.

 

7 hours ago, Viper007 said:

Boeser just can't buy one right now.  

 

7 hours ago, Canuckfanforlife82 said:

Oh but he's going to get 30 this year.

 

7 hours ago, bad alice french said:

Is Bruce on glue?

That's been Kuzmenko's spot so far. He scores on the power play. Terrible choice putting Brock on PP1. Especially late in the game.

 

7 hours ago, ktcy2 said:

Let’s trade Boeser and Garland for whatever. Garland is the sweetener for someone to take on Boeser. It doesn’t even matter anymore. 

 

7 hours ago, Maginator said:

Myers, Garland, Boeser are all redundant.

 

7 hours ago, VancouverHabitant said:

Boeser will need to have his value pumped this year in order to be able to move him for anything.  Kuzmenko is a better option on PP1, but if they keep forcing Boeser there I will be okay with it once we enter team tank territory.  

 

6 hours ago, Maginator said:

Boeser I won't even start. Not the same since his back injury and that's just that. Nowhere worth near 6M. 

 

6 hours ago, Slegr said:

We have a useless GM who is doing NOTHING to address the fact that this team sucks. 
Make some trades. Get rid of Boeser.  

 

6 hours ago, CaNuCkSLoUiE23 said:

Boeser taking Kuzmenko’s spot on the PP sucks. 

Hey JR, here are your loyal fans trying to tell you something - like we did with JTM.      Listen to us, we can't all be wrong!  You're going the wrong way with this team!

[J-23]

11 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said:

Imagine being 215 pounds and not wanting to hit the other team's players in a contact sport.  No wonder Horvat is the captain of one of the worst teams in the NHL over the last 10 years.  I miss the days of Trevor Linden.  

Hitting has no correlation as to why a team is the worst or best in the league.

 

11 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said:

No wonder Horvat is the captain of one of the worst teams in the NHL over the last 10 years.  

16 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said:

Brady Tkachuk hasn't won a Stanley Cup because he plays for the Ottawa Senators.  

Tkachuk gets a pass cause he plays on a bad team, but Bo doesn’t when he plays on an even worse team. Contradicting much, but whatever pushes the argument.

Edited November 13, 2022 by J-23

[RU SERIOUS]

Ahhhhhhh, we slipped down to 28th spot after tonights loss, only a mere 2 points from the very bottom of the barrel.  Poor babies!