JamesB Posted November 28, 2022 Share Posted November 28, 2022 5 minutes ago, fanfor42 said: Yes Boeser and Garland are tradeable but it depends what you get. There is no need to dump anyone. Podz and Lockwood cannot replace their offense adequately though. We will take a hit to our offense so we need a good return or don't deal them until that return is there. The Canucks would not get much for Garland and I don't think Boeser is tradeable without either retaining salary or including another asset. Boeser has 14 points in 16 games,which seems good, but he has only 3 goals, and only 1 of those is at even strength. He is -12 (by far the worst on the team) and his advanced stats are poor to terrible. You could see it again tonight. He is slow, soft, and a defensive liability. He is not worth his cap hit of 6.65 million.At his age (25) he is in his early prime now and we should not expect much further improvement. Maybe there is a GM out there who looks just at points scored and how good he looks in his uniform (like Benning) but there aren't many of those GMs left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fanfor42 Posted November 28, 2022 Share Posted November 28, 2022 3 minutes ago, JamesB said: The Canucks would not get much for Garland and I don't think Boeser is tradeable without either retaining salary or including another asset. Boeser has 14 points in 16 games,which seems good, but he has only 3 goals, and only 1 of those is at even strength. He is -12 (by far the worst on the team) and his advanced stats are poor to terrible. You could see it again tonight. He is slow, soft, and a defensive liability. He is not worth his cap hit of 6.65 million.At his age (25) he is in his early prime now and we should not expect much further improvement. Maybe there is a GM out there who looks just at points scored and how good he looks in his uniform (like Bening) but there aren't many of those GMs left. interestingly Boeser has a career points per game of .796. Phil Kessel has a career points per game of .786. Kessel's numbers at Boeser's age were very similar then he had several years where he was over a point per game before coming back down. He was traded to Toronto for two first round picks one was 2nd overall the other was 9th overall. Boeser may have several big years in his future just like Kessel did - both players were maligned for their speed and were doubted at times. Let's see, I don't think you want to dump Boeser early - that could turn out to be a big mistake in terms of missing out on a much higher return later. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post JeremyCuddles Posted November 28, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted November 28, 2022 20 minutes ago, Sharpshooter said: Maybe it’s just me. Probably just me. I love Kuz. But, is he the guy that loves his own personal achievements, moreso than being excited about his ‘boys’? I don’t like the arrow thing. He doesn’t deserve ‘that’ yet. The ‘arrow’ is symbolic with this team and this fanbase. Like I said, love Kuz, but I think someone needs to educate him. The arrow cele isn't exclusive to Vancouver. As meaningful as that goal was, I think it's an overreaction to criticize the guy for being happy about a goal and choosing that celebration. But hey, that's how vanilla we can be. Everyone has to not care and be "professional" at all times. 2 3 4 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesB Posted November 28, 2022 Share Posted November 28, 2022 Good effort from a tired team. It is unusual to be on the ice less that 24 hours after the start of the previous game, even with back-to-backs. Usually the first game would be early, not the second game. The Canucks were obviously tired in the 3rd period but made an impressive effort. Key points: 1. The Petey line is obviously great. All three guys are playing really well.I guess it is Petey driving play but I like Mikheyev and Kuz a lot. 2. On the other hand, the Dries line (with Boeser and Garland) is struggling despite getting relatively easy minutes. I would try to get Podkolzin back in the mix. Replacing either Boeser or Garland with Podz would improve that line's defence and toughness. Or the Canucks could move Lazar to center on that line and let Podz play on the 4th line. That would also help defensive play and physical play. 3. Burroughs looks good. He made a couple of mistakes today but he is playing tough minutes and doing it well. Any Myers does well with Burroughs. Loved Burrough's goal tonight. 4. Nice to see Demko rounding back into form. Maybe he as turned a corner (which is even better than rounding.) 5. Feeling better about Miller's contract. He can puts points on the board and his defensive play is a lot better than it was earlier in the season. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DownUndaCanuck Posted November 28, 2022 Share Posted November 28, 2022 Wow what a game, not a pretty win but they're finding ways to win now. End of a back to back used to be an automatic loss but that's something we've really fixed. We were out shot almost 2 to 1, Demko was really under pressure but not many great scoring chances. He was good, not great, there was one bad goal which was the flutter ball but apart from that didn't make many huge saves. That last SJS goal they scored was a dagger, you'd like to think he would have stopped that in his prime but great cross ice pass to be fair. Another 3 GAA but at least he gets the win, baby steps, but he's far from stealing the starter job from Martin. Surely Martin starts against Washington. Petey took this game over, against weaker defence they just ran riot, their combination of size and strength from Mikheyev and skill from Kuz and Petey was too much to handle and both Petey and Kuz play with a lot of grit and drive. They won this game for us. I thought Bo and Miller were fairly quiet, wonder if it's time for Hoglander to swap with Podkolzin. I know Hogs has looked good but you're on a line with the leader scorer in the NHL and a 99 pt player - you have to do more than just look good, that line should be scoring at least a goal a game. Granted not many PPs today but when you see how Petey's line dominated, they could do better. Bottom 6 were fairly average tonight, no jump, they looked tired. On defence Hughes again looks a bit tired but fairly standard game from him, Myers and Burroughs had a relatively stable night and great goal from Burroughs, but OEL and Bear looked snappy, OEL with a great game, he's got a smart point shot which has resulted in tips 2 games in a row now so love to see it. Bear was victimised a couple of times tonight defensively but still fairly solid. 1 point out of .500 and a playoff spot, you just hope they don't go on another 2-3 game losing streak and ruin all this good work. The Caps are up next and they're a very beatable team. We just have to translate this road success to home winning and keep it rolling, if we can double this little 5-1 stretch we'll make some real ground. Got to ride this wave while it's hot. I think in terms of the lineup surely BB doesn't change a thing. I wouldn't mind seeing Hoglander swapped for someone else but really hope our defence doesn't get touched, and Martin is surely our starter for the next few games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesB Posted November 28, 2022 Share Posted November 28, 2022 6 minutes ago, fanfor42 said: interestingly Boeser has a career points per game of .796. Phil Kessel has a career points per game of .786. Kessel's numbers at Boeser's age were very similar then he had several years where he was over a point per game before coming back down. He was traded to Toronto for two first round picks one was 2nd overall the other was 9th overall. Boeser may have several big years in his future just like Kessel did - both players were maligned for their speed and were doubted at times. Let's see, I don't think you want to dump Boeser early - that could turn out to be a big mistake in terms of missing out on a much higher return later. Good points. I agree. There are interesting similarities between Boeser and Kessel. And it would not make sense to trade Boeser now. Like Kessel, if you play him with a good play driver (like Petey or Miller) he could put a lot of points on the board. The Canucks were hoping that Boeser could play with either Horvat or Miller but unfortunately they really had to move Miller to Horvat's wing which leaves Boeser kind of high and dry (except on the PP). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Ward Posted November 28, 2022 Share Posted November 28, 2022 I presume JR talked to some of the team leaders about firing Bruce and they all said they love playing for him. The Aquaman said he didn't want to pay 3 coaches. So they leave it with Bruce and he's making it work. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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IBatch Posted November 28, 2022 Share Posted November 28, 2022 3 hours ago, Crimson-JH said: You forgot about these Bruces! Don't forget these Bruce's. Just to be Bruce inclusive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Angry Goose Posted November 28, 2022 Share Posted November 28, 2022 they grinder out a win just like I asked for still dont want PA/JR to sit on their hands tho 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devron Posted November 28, 2022 Share Posted November 28, 2022 4 minutes ago, -Vintage Canuck- said: Well deserved 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post R3aL Posted November 28, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted November 28, 2022 45 minutes ago, Sharpshooter said: Maybe it’s just me. Probably just me. I love Kuz. But, is he the guy that loves his own personal achievements, moreso than being excited about his ‘boys’? I don’t like the arrow thing. He doesn’t deserve ‘that’ yet. The ‘arrow’ is symbolic with this team and this fanbase. Like I said, love Kuz, but I think someone needs to educate him. Common now. He doesn’t deserve to celebrate goals however he celebrates goals? Regardless of the history of the arrow here if anything it’s nice to see. 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IBatch Posted November 28, 2022 Share Posted November 28, 2022 (edited) 41 minutes ago, fanfor42 said: interestingly Boeser has a career points per game of .796. Phil Kessel has a career points per game of .786. Kessel's numbers at Boeser's age were very similar then he had several years where he was over a point per game before coming back down. He was traded to Toronto for two first round picks one was 2nd overall the other was 9th overall. Boeser may have several big years in his future just like Kessel did - both players were maligned for their speed and were doubted at times. Let's see, I don't think you want to dump Boeser early - that could turn out to be a big mistake in terms of missing out on a much higher return later. Kessel was considered a very fast dynamic winger with a killer wrist shot. Not a good comp really. Was close to or in the top ten in scoring several times. first time he was 24and 6th..2012, 25 he was 7th, 26 he was 7th... Not a very good comp for Brock at all. Brock has struggled even to earn his RFA contracts and be the 10-12th best right winger, let alone one of the most dynamic wingers in the league the league over the same period as Kessel so far. Yes he's having a point streak, but he's not quick or flashy ... Phil was definitely both, Boston, TO or PIT didn't matter. And didn't have great support in TO but piled up points anyways. He's old now so his stats have gone down, but there was a time that he was a top pick year to year in hockey pools too. And was part of a third line with Bonino for a portion of his time in PIT ... Kessel of course was the driver, just like Boston and TO. Edit: 403 goals ... not many guys have scored that many over the last 17 years...that's more than Linden and Daniel did. Close to 1000 points.. and a big part of two cups. He's not a lock for the HHOF but likely gets his due eventually. Brock's rookie season was exciting, and this year seems to be resurging. But he's not the same player and never will be because he isn't fast. Maligned yes, Kessel was shy and didn't do TO media well. Edited November 28, 2022 by IBatch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DownUndaCanuck Posted November 28, 2022 Share Posted November 28, 2022 Kuzmenko with 10 points on a 5 game streak and that was a big one. We all thought 6M would be a fair deal, Boeser is on 6.6M scoring at a PPG but Kuz just does so much more and seems so much more alive on the ice and involved in the game. Let's see if this is just a flash in the pan or if he just keeps getting better and better. Crazy our team has about 6 PPG players, there are something like 70 in the league so really most teams should have 2-3 tops. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharpshooter Posted November 28, 2022 Share Posted November 28, 2022 26 minutes ago, N7Nucks said: The arrow cele isn't exclusive to Vancouver. As meaningful as that goal was, I think it's an overreaction to criticize the guy for being happy about a goal and choosing that celebration. But hey, that's how vanilla we can be. Everyone has to not care and be "professional" at all times. It isn’t exclusive to Vancouver. It is meaningful though, for those of us that lived through that period. ‘We’ went through the Draft of Bourdon. Then ‘we’ went through his accident. Then ‘we’ lost him. Burr, made the ‘arrow’ synonymous with Luc. I don’t think anyone ought to use it as a celebration for their own goal. It means so much more. There’s a history to this team. It should both be celebrated and revered. Celebration with a stick through the legs like Tiger Willams is solid, if you’re worthy. ‘Bow and arrow’ is Bourdon’s. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eeeeergh Posted November 28, 2022 Share Posted November 28, 2022 OEL back to 0.5 ppg Hes looked so much better beside anyone other than a professor of chaos, especially comfortable beside Bear. Looks like he really trusts Bear. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueDragon23 Posted November 28, 2022 Share Posted November 28, 2022 Pretty impressive road-trip. We did this: Came back and beat the Cup Champs Curb stomped the top team in the West Gritted out a win on back to back nights in 22 hours. Hope this is the start of something really good. They are looking more confident as the season goes on. Fingers crossed. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.I.A.H.N Posted November 28, 2022 Share Posted November 28, 2022 4 hours ago, AlwaysACanuckFan said: Canucks win another one with Burroughs in the lineup. A little sandpaper smooths things out! Or roughs it up! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad_BOI_pete Posted November 28, 2022 Share Posted November 28, 2022 42 minutes ago, mordekai said: Try 30 years of being canucks fan still going back to your statement edm is likely to lose next game seeing as they are playing panthers. Canucks on the other hand is a toss up after a road trip but against a struggling caps team the difference between a struggling caps team and the panther is two points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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