Canucks Curse Posted December 4, 2022 Share Posted December 4, 2022 tarde Miller for whatever you can, retain on this year to maximize value try to just get picks or young players and cap space Boeser - trade - same as above Garland - move for late pick + cap space Pearson - might have to just waive and put in minors, his value can be to help develop young guys, he won a cup Myers - try to move whenever - might be moveable after Jul 1 2023 when Canucks pay out his bonus and he is only owed 1 million left on his contract, despite 6M cap hit Schenn - move for a pick and re sign to a contract in off season, he is 33 he has value as a culture carrier, he would resign here if we offer him 2 yrs I bet re sign Bo re sign Kuzmenko use some cap on a 3C and right side D podkolzin needs to be a top 9 forward. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wai_lai416 Posted December 4, 2022 Share Posted December 4, 2022 1 minute ago, -DLC- said: I see him trying to use positioning more on defense (he likes to intercept pucks) but I can't deny it's more of an offensive physicality. I mean, he got his contract and he's still doing it so not sure why that's mentioned? If it was just to cash in he could ease up, but he hasn't. It's just that he's more offensively minded and he's pretty good offensively. So not sure we can fault him for that. i dont fault him at all offensively and doing most of those in the offensive zone. i just find it hard to watch every time the puck is going back towards our zone on a break and he's behind the play he just sort of gives up and starts gliding back.. i really haven't seen any effort in him chasing a play defensively when he's beaten.. last year it was noticeable this year it's even more noticeable and put under a magnifying glass. if Miller stops doing these stupid blind back hand pass up the middle.. and show some effort in chasing a play when he's beaten.. i'd be happy with him.. but given that's his style forever now i really dont see him changing. i don't need him to be this great 2 way defensive center.. but scoring all these points but giving up all these goals offset each other. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rackdawg Posted December 4, 2022 Share Posted December 4, 2022 If this game doesn't tell you major changes need made..nothing will !!! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurn Posted December 4, 2022 Share Posted December 4, 2022 8 minutes ago, -DLC- said: People said this about Miller, too. And they should have been right. A bit too much money, for way too long, to a player that is a bit too old. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bishopshodan Posted December 4, 2022 Share Posted December 4, 2022 It is soo awesome that Bo, JT, EP and QH are ppg players or better this year. That's your top two centres, top 'winger' and top D-man... just kicking ass during a tumultuous season. Very good signs. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostsof1915 Posted December 4, 2022 Share Posted December 4, 2022 4 minutes ago, -DLC- said: The weather also factors in as people were trapped in that nightmare after the Tuesday night game and sat for HOURS on the highways. Plus, with Christmas on the horizon many are budgeting for that. Sure, some will drop away but this fanbase is pretty solid. It's not like we haven't been through adversity before....we still love hockey here. I'm not saying we're in danger of the team moving. I'm just saying the team is going to be in a lull until things get fixed. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-DLC- Posted December 4, 2022 Share Posted December 4, 2022 4 minutes ago, wai_lai416 said: i dont fault him at all offensively and doing most of those in the offensive zone. i just find it hard to watch every time the puck is going back towards our zone on a break and he's behind the play he just sort of gives up and starts gliding back.. i really haven't seen any effort in him chasing a play defensively when he's beaten.. last year it was noticeable this year it's even more noticeable and put under a magnifying glass. if Miller stops doing these stupid blind back hand pass up the middle.. and show some effort in chasing a play when he's beaten.. i'd be happy with him.. but given that's his style forever now i really dont see him changing. i don't need him to be this great 2 way defensive center.. but scoring all these points but giving up all these goals offset each other. The one thing people don't really understand is...how hard it is to play that physical game (live on the glass gives a good perspective). Sure, he looks lazy but he invests a LOT of energy out there on offense. Last night, for instance, on the pp...he's one of the guys moving around...trying to reposition and change things up a bit. He is physical in the offensive zone and, at times, maybe he's depleted more than lazy. I don't argue that it HAS to improve and that some of these plays are him "just giving up". I just think we have to be fair and think of the energy he does invest in offense and that sometimes he's just gassed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted December 4, 2022 Share Posted December 4, 2022 42 minutes ago, spook007 said: Rid of Miller, Brock, Myers, Pearson and Probably Bo as well... OEL is going nowhere, Bear and QH can be kept and Burroughs + Schenn as 6-8 D-men To me nobody is safe, as we need to stock up on prospects and picks (1st and 2nd round picks)... Even QH and Petey may be in play depending on return, but hope Petey will lead the next generation. That's a retool, is it a not? Personally, I think pivot is a better term. I keep Bo at all costs if he wants to be there and build around Petey, Bo, Podz, Hogz and Demko. I also keep OEL, Bear, schenn, lazar, Joshua and Aman for support.......Myers and Pearson likely have to stay until they expire. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostsof1915 Posted December 4, 2022 Share Posted December 4, 2022 Just now, Gurn said: And they should have been right. A bit too much money, for way too long, to a player that is a bit too old. So the answer is we let him walk? That wasn't the right answer either. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bishopshodan Posted December 4, 2022 Share Posted December 4, 2022 Just now, Ghostsof1915 said: So the answer is we let him walk? That wasn't the right answer either. Hes' a good player. He's not too old or over paid. Love seeing him and Bo dominate. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wai_lai416 Posted December 4, 2022 Share Posted December 4, 2022 1 minute ago, -DLC- said: The one thing people don't really understand is...how hard it is to play that physical game. Sure, he looks lazy but he invests a LOT of energy on offense. Last night, for instance, on the pp...he's one of the guys moving around...trying to reposition and change things up a bit. He is physical in the offensive zone and, at times, maybe he's depleted more than lazy. I don't argue that it HAS to improve and that some of these plays are him "just giving up". I just think we have to be fair and think of the energy he does invest in offense and that sometimes he's just gassed. haha he needs to get on EP's cardio routine coz he's flying out there in the offensive zone and diving at everything in the defensive zone :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-DLC- Posted December 4, 2022 Share Posted December 4, 2022 Just now, bishopshodan said: Hes' a good player. He's not too old or over paid. Love seeing him and Bo dominate. Those two together...aren't they fun to watch? I LOVE the way they connect and it's becoming a real thing. Neither can go...nope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chon derry Posted December 4, 2022 Share Posted December 4, 2022 8 minutes ago, bishopshodan said: Good win. And, yes we will sign Bo. I think this slow moving brass at least sees that having 3 guys, Bo, JT and EP, that can play top6 centre roles is a strong situtation. One that is an envy of most teams as it is very hard to aquire. In for a fun ride. Hope Brock finds a good home, that is a good kid right there. The gamble of patience, does any players value go up or down if you wait.? Waiting does present other player trade options, While giving themselves the time to do this right. Not an easy task to address the back end as well securing horvat. Miller horvat boeser.?Who’s more expendable ? Looks like boeser. If so then waiting makes sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bishopshodan Posted December 4, 2022 Share Posted December 4, 2022 Just now, -DLC- said: Those two together...aren't they fun to watch? I LOVE the way they connect and it's becoming a real thing. Neither can go...nope. They are a menace when they enter the zone. Guys that can do it all. They need a better 3rd guy though. I dont think Hogs can cut it. He gifted a few to many passes/ turn overs last night 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-DLC- Posted December 4, 2022 Share Posted December 4, 2022 1 minute ago, wai_lai416 said: haha he needs to get on EP's cardio routine coz he's flying out there in the offensive zone and diving at everything in the defensive zone :D Petey's an anomaly. No one's quite like Petey. That's one guy...as I said, many others need to work on it. Petey isn't one of them...as he's already done the work and it's showing. It's not just cardio...it's the toll a physical game takes on the body. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-DLC- Posted December 4, 2022 Share Posted December 4, 2022 Just now, bishopshodan said: They are a menace when they enter the zone. Guys that can do it all. They need a better 3rd guy though. I dont think Hogs can cut it. He gifted a few to many passes/ turn overs last night I agree. And they're developing a good sense of where the other'll be and what they'll do. "Chemistry". Matters. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BC_Hawk Posted December 4, 2022 Share Posted December 4, 2022 (edited) 26 minutes ago, Dazzle said: Even if Horvat had the better trade value, re-signing Miller for that reason is a poor one. Horvat has something that most, if not all UFA agents, can't really do. Exactly! If the FO would have truly committed to the core with a Defense rebuild and new coaching in offseason, then resigning JT and Bo makes sense. If you do what they are doing/did (nothing except lob insults), resigning JT was a terrible decision. Bo>JT everyday. On a slumping team, JT is just another anchor contract; not the $, it’s the term that’s untradable. Once again, I was a big fan of the resign….but thought it would come with another big RHD signing and additional coaching moves. In addition, thought Bo would be signed by first game too. Edited December 4, 2022 by BC_Hawk 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted December 4, 2022 Share Posted December 4, 2022 2 minutes ago, bishopshodan said: Hes' a good player. He's not too old or over paid. Love seeing him and Bo dominate. At the cost of depth at every other position? Do you want to be completely reliant on 2-3 players? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bishopshodan Posted December 4, 2022 Share Posted December 4, 2022 1 minute ago, chon derry said: The gamble of patience, does any players value go up or down if you wait.? Waiting does present other player trade options, While giving themselves the time to do this right. Not an easy task to address the back end as well securing horvat. Miller horvat boeser.?Who’s more expendable ? Looks like boeser. If so then waiting makes sense. Timing is everything. When I used to compete in karate people sometimes would ask what is the best attribute....speed, strength, technique?....I would answer ...timing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostsof1915 Posted December 4, 2022 Share Posted December 4, 2022 Wonder if Arizona would take Garland back in exchange for Chychrun? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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