Zdeno Chara makes scathing allegations about Canucks during 2011 Stanley Cup Final

[Pears]

2 hours ago, Hairy Kneel said:

 

Juice is about to make this oaf wish he kept his mouth shut. 

[-DLC-]

8 minutes ago, IBatch said:

Good grief.  If Chara was on our team we'd be forever grateful.   He wasn't.   The cup-envy continues.    Who knows what was said or wasn't or done or what wasn't.    People lie, media presents conjecture as fact, and people gobble it up.     But i doubt Chara is lying about what he heard, or that it didn't help push them either.    The moment Rome knocked out Horton, i started worrying.   And was praying TB beat Boston before that.   Because it was already obvious Thomas was pulling a Roy, and we couldn't stand up to Boston physically on paper.   They had too many mean players, we had a couple that's it and undersized really.  

 

We were the better team on paper.   It happens though.   Often anyways, that the better team doesn't win.   They made us their b!tch.   No point in fretting about it forever.     Chara entered the league as an enforcer, despite some modicum of skill like a ton of guys back them did, including Bryan McCabe and even Brashear.   Do people even know this?   Iginla was also pretty mediocre when he started, badly outplayed by Joe New the first couple seasons.   Chara and Iginla were the best players of their birth year.   Both took time to get there.   Chara wasn't a Pronger right away but did get there eventually (and really close enough in age).   Martin St. Louis, Naslund ...Neidermayer ... and a bit later Marleau, Thornton and the Sedins (with guys like Alfie close).   ... was the best of the best of what that age produced really.    Sedins couldn't cut the pre-cap stuff really.   Media was all over them for that.   But it sure helped them later. 

 

Used to be, the Canucks were a tough team in the alleys.   No disrespect to Chara from me.    He played an old fashioned game at a high level.    We have one guy on our team right now that does that and it's Schenn (and he's no Chara).   That's it.   Say bad things about Chara might as well be saying bad things about him.   Good grief this games changed.   Fans have too.  Move on.  Nothing to see here.   It's not like he did some dirty things like Messier did to Linden in game six, and even that i can respect to a degree,  we had been on the ropes most of that series already. 

This isn't cup envy so don't call it what it isn't.

 

This is pure full on Bruins hate...and we're not the only team to feel this way.

 

Their antics are disrespectful to the game (I mean, come on...fans watching a guy lick another guy's face?). Before you go off on Burrows which is usually the case when something like this is mentioned, that's next level crap that Marchand's doing. In line of COVID, these days it would be a criminal offence.

 

Add in the jeering at a badly injured player. Etc.

 

Bruins have been gifted many "get out of jail free" passes over the years. Daddy set that tone.

 

Chara's a goof. Saying bad things about him does NOT reflect on Schenn...that's quite a reach there. WOW

 

Move on? Maybe weigh in to where Chara hasn't yet managed to do that because we're responding, not initiating this conversation. Especially considering 3 players from that Canucks team were just inducted into the HHOF...maybe it's more a time to show respect and say good things than for Zzzzdeno to dwell on dreams he had over 10 years ago. Blame Chara, not those reacting to his strewn trash. Maybe it's actually HHOF envy.

 

 

[Pears]

10 minutes ago, -DLC- said:

This isn't cup envy so don't call it what it isn't.

 

This is pure full on Bruins hate...and we're not the only team to feel this way.

 

Their antics are disrespectful to the game (I mean, come on...fans watching a guy lick another guy's face?). Before you go off on Burrows which is usually the case when something like this is mentioned, that's next level crap that Marchand's doing. In line of COVID, these days it would be a criminal offence.

 

Add in the jeering at a badly injured player. Etc.

 

Bruins have been gifted many "get out of jail free" passes over the years. Daddy set that tone.

 

Chara's a goof. Saying bad things about him does NOT reflect on Schenn...that's quite a reach there. WOW

 

Move on? Maybe weigh in to where Chara hasn't yet managed to do that because we're responding, not initiating this conversation. Especially considering 3 players from that Canucks team were just inducted into the HHOF...maybe it's more a time to show respect and say good things than for Zzzzdeno to dwell on dreams he had over 10 years ago. Blame Chara, not those reacting to his strewn trash. Maybe it's actually HHOF envy.

 

 

This can be backed up by the fact they’re 0-2 in Finals where the officiating isn’t blatantly one sided in their favour. 

Edited December 9, 2022 by Pears
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[King Heffy]

36 minutes ago, IBatch said:

 It's not like he did some dirty things like Messier did to Linden in game six, and even that i can respect to a degree,  we had been on the ropes most of that series already (2011). 

Criminal assault against Pacioretty isn't dirty?  Bottom line is that Chara was a complete disgrace to the sport on and off the ice.  I respect guys who played like men, not this subhuman vermin who was a gutless coward.   If this worthless piece of $#&@ had been a Canuck, I would have been ashamed to be a fan.

Edited December 9, 2022 by King Heffy

[IBatch]

2 hours ago, grandmaster said:

I have so much disgust and hate with how this all went down in 2011 that it still boils my blood to this day. Even though we had the best team in our history, owned every positive metric in all statistics, we lost to a combination of badly timed injuries and crooked officiating/NHL meddling. Chara is a piece of garbage to be spewing this bullsh!t. If Juice said this never happened, it never happened. End of story. 

We had the best regular season team in club history.   People forget or weren't around for some great teams we beat in the playoffs in the early 90's.    The lockout screwed with that teams mojo.   Sedin teams couldn't light a candle compared to those teams once the chips were down.   Linden almost done had to help Luongo win vs Turco    And that division was awfully bad compared to what we had to deal with in the early 90's.  CAL was still a monster.   EDM went to the conference final in 91 before finally blowing the rest up (and was supposedly going to be amazing in short order given their awesome pool),  LA was a monster,  WNP was up and coming ... there was no easy wins.   ANA and LA sucked.   There really was no big competition for us during the Sedin era... not like COL during the WCE era anyways.   Beating St. Louis was a big deal.   So was beating WNP.   Beating CAL was a huge deal.   As was beating TO, after 93 and Gilmour the leagues lover boy, a contender too. 

 

There is a reason why McLean played more games than any other goalie so far come the post-season.   And that Linden's playoff records will stand for a very very long time.   Did you know this current team is scoring goals like the Linden teams did?  Or that our PP percentage back in 2011 would be mediocre today despite leading the league?    Or that it would lead our all-time record.   Luongo and Schneider made everyone look better.   If we were getting .922 SP today we'd be drooling right now about this teams chances.     Our peak Sedin era was great in the regular season and aside fro one run ... not really great.   I could care less about regular season accolades really.   
 

Edit: Well i care some.   Because at least we can talk about that too.   But the 2000's was a bad decade.  Suppose that's how hockey fans felt about the 40's and the 60's though. 

Edited December 9, 2022 by IBatch

[canuck73_3]

15 hours ago, DeNiro said:

What a giant loser.

 

I bet someone in the coaching staff made these things up to motivate them and they believed it. 
 

He never struck me as the sharpest tool in the shed.

Probably correct that it was fabricated as motivation, they won, good and dominated on them. Weird to bring it up now when he had all this time to verify it.

[4petesake]

18 minutes ago, IBatch said:

Good grief.  If Chara was on our team we'd be forever grateful.   He wasn't.   The cup-envy continues.    Who knows what was said or wasn't or done or what wasn't.    People lie, media presents conjecture as fact, and people gobble it up.     But i doubt Chara is lying about what he heard, or that it didn't help push them either.    The moment Rome knocked out Horton, i started worrying.   And was praying TB beat Boston before that.   Because it was already obvious Thomas was pulling a Roy, and we couldn't stand up to Boston physically on paper.   They had too many mean players, we had a couple that's it and undersized really.  

 

We were the better team on paper.   It happens though.   Often anyways, that the better team doesn't win.   They made us their b!tch.   No point in fretting about it forever.     Chara entered the league as an enforcer, despite some modicum of skill like a ton of guys back them did, including Bryan McCabe and even Brashear.   Do people even know this?   Iginla was also pretty mediocre when he started, badly outplayed by Joe New the first couple seasons.   Chara and Iginla were the best players of their birth year.   Both took time to get there.   Chara wasn't a Pronger right away but did get there eventually (and really close enough in age).   Martin St. Louis, Naslund ...Neidermayer ... and a bit later Marleau, Thornton and the Sedins (with guys like Alfie close).   ... was the best of the best of what that age produced really.    Sedins couldn't cut the pre-cap stuff really.   Media was all over them for that.   But it sure helped them later. 

 

Used to be, the Canucks were a tough team in the alleys.   No disrespect to Chara from me.    He played an old fashioned game at a high level.    We have one guy on our team right now that does that and it's Schenn (and he's no Chara).   That's it.   Say bad things about Chara might as well be saying bad things about him.   Good grief this games changed.   Fans have too.  Move on.  Nothing to see here.   It's not like he did some dirty things like Messier did to Linden in game six, and even that i can respect to a degree,  we had been on the ropes most of that series already (2011). 

This story makes no sense at all. Bruins creamed the ‘Nucks 8-1 in Boston in game 3 and 4-0 in game 4 in Boston. We’re supposed to believe they show up for game 6 practicing hoisting the cup? This doesn’t pass the smell test.

 

And by the way…

 

 

[-DLC-]

6 minutes ago, IBatch said:

We had the best regular season team in club history.   People forget or weren't around for some great teams we beat in the playoffs in the early 90's.    The lockout screwed with that teams mojo.   Sedin teams couldn't light a candle compared to those teams once the chips were down.   Linden almost done had to help Luongo win vs Turco    And that division was awfully bad compared to what we had to deal with in the early 90's.  CAL was still a monster.   EDM went to the conference final in 91 before finally blowing the rest up (and was supposedly going to be amazing in short order given their awesome pool),  LA was a monster,  WNP was up and coming ... there was no easy wins.   ANA and LA sucked.   There really was no big competition for us during the Sedin era... not like COL during the WCE era anyways.   Beating St. Louis was a big deal.   So was beating WNP.   Beating CAL was a huge deal.   As was beating TO, after 93 and Gilmour the leagues lover boy, a contender too. 

 

There is a reason why McLean played more games than any other goalie so far come the post-season.   And that Linden's playoff records will stand for a very very long time.   Did you know this current team is scoring goals like the Linden teams did?  Or that our PP percentage back in 2011 would be mediocre today?    Or that it would lead our all-time record.   Luongo and Schneider made everyone look better.   If we were getting .922 SP today we'd be drooling right now about this teams chances.     Our peak Sedin era was great in the regular season and aside fro one run ... not really great.   I could care less about regular season accolades really.   

Are you actually downplaying the 2011 team?

 

No competition during the Sedin era?

 

Another big reach. 

[-DLC-]

7 minutes ago, IBatch said:

We had the best regular season team in club history.

 

I could care less about regular season accolades really.   

 

[IBatch]

1 minute ago, 4petesake said:

This story makes no sense at all. Bruins creamed the ‘Nucks 8-1 in Boston in game 3 and 4-0 in game 4 in Boston. We’re supposed to believe they show up for game 6 practicing hoisting the cup? This doesn’t pass the smell test.

 

And by the way…

 

 

Awesome.   Chara shouldn't be picked on though.   It's ok to respect some of the players you lose too.   He's one of them.   And our guys well Luongo whining ... Kesler whining.   The Sedins didn't whine.    Chara is maybe fishing.   But from everything i've read about the guy i doubt he's not telling his truth. 

[chon derry]

17 minutes ago, -DLC- said:

This isn't cup envy so don't call it what it isn't.

 

This is pure full on Bruins hate...and we're not the only team to feel this way.

 

Their antics are disrespectful to the game (I mean, come on...fans watching a guy lick another guy's face?). Before you go off on Burrows which is usually the case when something like this is mentioned, that's next level crap that Marchand's doing. In line of COVID, these days it would be a criminal offence.

 

Add in the jeering at a badly injured player. Etc.

 

Bruins have been gifted many "get out of jail free" passes over the years. Daddy set that tone.

 

Chara's a goof. Saying bad things about him does NOT reflect on Schenn...that's quite a reach there. WOW

 

Move on? Maybe weigh in to where Chara hasn't yet managed to do that because we're responding, not initiating this conversation. Especially considering 3 players from that Canucks team were just inducted into the HHOF...maybe it's more a time to show respect and say good things than for Zzzzdeno to dwell on dreams he had over 10 years ago. Blame Chara, not those reacting to his strewn trash. Maybe it's actually HHOF envy.

 

 

Any topic he responds to is quickly turned to some negative aspect. Coupled with trying and I say trying to dominate the subject with 50 other partially related aspects of the original subject at hand. Suddenly the original issue Is lost in the muddle  with 5 unnecessary paragraphs.? and any knowledge of which he has a vast wealth of is lost. Completely!!!!! Defending chara is akin to defending  lucic. it can’t be done!  

[Goal:thecup]

1 minute ago, IBatch said:

Awesome.   Chara shouldn't be picked on though.   It's ok to respect some of the players you lose too.   He's one of them.   And our guys well Luongo whining ... Kesler whining.   The Sedins didn't whine.    Chara is maybe fishing.   But from everything i've read about the guy i doubt he's not telling his truth. 

What is with you?

Chara spouted this nonsense and you go off on the Sedins?

Deb brown-baggin' you should be a clue; you should know what you gotta do.

(STFU)

[King Heffy]

6 minutes ago, IBatch said:

Awesome.   Chara shouldn't be picked on though.   It's ok to respect some of the players you lose too.   He's one of them.   And our guys well Luongo whining ... Kesler whining.   The Sedins didn't whine.    Chara is maybe fishing.   But from everything i've read about the guy i doubt he's not telling his truth. 

Why shouldn't this waste of oxygen be held accountable for his refusal to play like a man and now restoring to slander?  He is lucky he isn't in prison where he belongs.

[EmilyM]

Sounds like the rantings of someone bored in retirement and doing anything to desperately stay relevant.

[chon derry]

7 minutes ago, Goal:thecup said:

What is with you?

Chara spouted this nonsense and you go off on the Sedins?

Deb brown-baggin' you should be a clue; you should know what you gotta do.

(STFU)

I don’t know if it’s deliberate deflection? or an attempt to impress with 50 other non related facts. I won’t respond to him anymore the floor is his. I’m out. 

Edited December 9, 2022 by chon derry

[IBatch]

29 minutes ago, -DLC- said:

Are you actually downplaying the 2011 team?

 

No competition during the Sedin era?

 

Another big reach. 

Our division.   As in our division wasn't that strong, regular season.    Get it was a great team.   Not denying that.   And was a big fan and still am.   But let's be real about it when reminiscing as well.   This was pretty common knowledge back then so it shouldn't come as much of a surprise now.   That we feasted on our own division.   As did most other teams during the peak era. 

 

 

ANA won a cup, and was in transition after.   EDM was an easy win and CAL was all but over the Iginla era.    LA didn't know it yet but was constructing a playoff team, definitely not a regular season one.   So yes i'm saying some of those points we definitely don't get - if we were in a tougher division.    We'd still make the playoffs of course.   And we'd still do just as well as we did.     It for sure was a great team,  not denying and wouldn't deny that.  Some of my favourite players all-time were on it.   Felt we were going to win a cup the moment we traded Bertuzzi because of how awesome Luongo was.  

 

That said we weren't really a great playoff team.   NYI have won more series under Trotz so far no?  And they missed last season. 

 

We have to also be true to what it was.   It was a great regular season team with a one off, and we weren't lucky.   Which is truly too bad.   Because it was a great team.    If Burrows didn't score, maybe we wouldn't even be talking about this. 

 

My main point is - why be so upset about what a former rival said about us?  I have respect for Chara.   Messier ... well. 

 

Ouch.  

 

Edit.  Also thanks didn't know i was pushing so many buttons.   Chara got me too lol.  Defending him i suppose was a bad take.   But really i don't feel any ill will towards that team.   They beat us fair and square.  2-1 power plays, our bad for not scoring on them.   CBC McLean though - don't like him at all.   That was one brilliant team, and i also felt we were going to win up 2-0.    
 

Edited December 9, 2022 by IBatch

[Mando27]

[canuck73_3]

4 minutes ago, IBatch said:

Our division.   As in our division wasn't that strong, regular season.    Get it was a great team.   Not denying that.   And was a big fan and still am.   But let's be real about it when reminiscing as well.   This was pretty common knowledge back then so it shouldn't come as much of a surprise now.   That we feasted on our own division.   As did most other teams during the peak era. 

 

 

ANA won a cup, and was in transition after.   EDM was an easy win and CAL was all but over the Iginla era.    LA didn't know it yet but was constructing a playoff team, definitely not a regular season one.   So yes i'm saying some of those points we definitely don't get - if we were in a tougher division.    We'd still make the playoffs of course.   And we'd still do just as well as we did.     It for sure was a great team,  not denying and wouldn't deny that.  Some of my favourite players all-time were on it.   Felt we were going to win a cup the moment we traded Bertuzzi because of how awesome Luongo was.  

 

That said we weren't really a great playoff team.   NYI have won more series under Trotz so far no?  And they missed last season. 

 

We have to also be true to what it was.   It was a great regular season team with a one off, and we weren't lucky.   Which is truly too bad.   Because it was a great team.    If Burrows didn't score we wouldn't even be talking about his now would we.  

Our Record outside the division was better so the weak division is moot.

[Qwags]

15 hours ago, J-23 said:

I am sure Marchand would’ve spoken up about this at the time or around those years if this was true. Or even Lucic.

Our own media would reported on it the same day it happened.

 

This sounds like something that was made up to rile up the Bruins locker room.

[IBatch]

34 minutes ago, chon derry said:

Any topic he responds to is quickly turned to some negative aspect. Coupled with trying and I say trying to dominate the subject with 50 other partially related aspects of the original subject at hand. Suddenly the original issue Is lost in the muddle  with 5 unnecessary paragraphs.? and any knowledge of which he has a vast wealth of is lost. Completely!!!!! Defending chara is akin to defending  lucic. it can’t be done!  

It's what happens when you've followed this team for this long.    But i'm clueless to something's - such as sensitivity, hence the paragraphs.   If DLC calls you out, then yep time for a time out.    As for defending Lucic well he's a wimp.  Won't do it.    Plus rhinoplasty, check into it.   Hurts when you break your hand on a beak like that.   I like Chara.   Don't see a reason not too.  Other than his team beating ours.   Same way i like Potvin.    And others like Ovechkin and Crosby.  Or Jumbo.   He was a great hockey player and one of the last of players in my generation.   We had the best team not to win a cup since expansion.   That isn't lost on me either.  And management/players whether or not they celebrated or not ahead of time, well i sure thought we had the best shot to win.   First in PP% second in PK.   Ballard as your 7th D.   Ugh.  2011 hurt me too.  Just like everyone else.