Harold Drunken Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 (edited) These are some weird, dark times for Canucks fans man. This while situation is just uncomfortable....hoping there are brighter days ahead. Will it get worse before it gets better? Like most....I've really been caught off guard with how bad this team is.... Edited January 22, 2023 by Harold Drunken 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harold Drunken Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 7 minutes ago, Ghostsof1915 said: Firing is normal. It's the way they dragged it out and let it fester. That no matter what is unprofessional. If Tocchet had obligations and couldn't take over at a certain time. They should have looked for another candidate then. It just shows very poor planning. And really looks bad for a sports franchise. They should have just had one of the assistant coaches be the interim head coach like many other teams do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 47 minutes ago, -Vintage Canuck- said: Oh looks like they finally remembered they actually have to fire him. Nice of them to finally get around to telling him what’s going on.,. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 16 minutes ago, Odd. said: What are these systems you speak of? Systems have been engrained to these individuals since peewee. Bruce is 2nd in NHL history in win percentage. Do you know how incredible of a feat that is? He’s coached for 50 years. He’s coached more games, been around hockey longer than I’ve been alive for (27 y/o). In what ways did he lack structure? Coaches don’t just lose their coaching ability like a player loses playing ability. Like Schenn said, there’s only a handful of systems in hockey. Being able to execute lies within the players. Our players are not good players. This wasn’t a coaching issue at all. If a coach like Bruce can’t win games with this team, how do you suppose a losing coach like Tocchet will do? Exactly When a team plays a strong, structured system they work as one organism, always knowing where everyone is within that structure. When you get the puck, you know where your teammates are going to be, you don't have to guess and you know you e got support. Players don't cheat and they don't cut corners because if one player cheats it all breaks down. BB has never been a systems coach and that's the main reason he's not particularly successful in the playoffs..........you don't win with offense, you win with defense and successful teams play strong, disciplined team defense. Can you really watch this team play in their own end and tell me that the coach has any kind of cohesive, coherent defensive system of play? They're all over the place, fwds cheat like crazy, leaving their dmen in no man's land with little to no puck support shift after shift after shift. watch Abbotsford, they play a very disciplined, very structured system and the difference between the two clubs is very obvious. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boudrias Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 (edited) 16 minutes ago, Ghostsof1915 said: Firing is normal. It's the way they dragged it out and let it fester. That no matter what is unprofessional. If Tocchet had obligations and couldn't take over at a certain time. They should have looked for another candidate then. It just shows very poor planning. And really looks bad for a sports franchise. Either that or they really wanted Tocchet. In any event they could have let BB go and just had an assistant coach carry on until Tocchet was available. My curious question is whether this whole scenario is being crafted to lower expectations of the team and management so that even small victories in the future will be +++. Also wondering if other teams will view what has gone on as an opportunity to pluck a deal from the carcus? At the end of the day who JR & PA bring back in future deals will be their legacy not the crap that led to it. Edited January 22, 2023 by Boudrias 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arsenalian Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 4 minutes ago, DeNiro said: Oh looks like they finally remembered they actually have to fire him. Nice of them to finally get around to telling him what’s going on.,. If I were Bruce, I would just not show up. A big last middle finger to this management group Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucker 67 Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 Goaltending is bad, and seeing Miller's frustration on the bench after they got scored on again, says it all. The players are working hard at times and really trying and then Martin lets in a softie. It's got to be crushing. Maybe this goaltending will help the Canucks get into the Top 5 at the Draft Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odd. Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 15 minutes ago, grandmaster said: Loved seeing this: I hope he develops some meanness to his game! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grandmaster Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Harold Drunken said: These are some weird, dark times for Canucks fans man. This while situation is just uncomfortable....hoping there is brighter days ahead. Will it get worse before it gets better? Like most....I've really been caught off guard with how bad this team is.... I think it will. I have faith in this management group to turn things around (unlike some other posters here). They are experts in their field and have had to deal with a big mess left behind by JB and the flat Cap. I’m sure they have a good idea now with what they have and what they need to do. Team’s surgery has just begun. There will be a lot more moves happening. Some will hurt at the moment but in the long run, it will be for the better. The team will play like a team again, we will learn defence and we will get new players on the roster, picks and futures. Darkness for now but there will be light in the future. Edited January 22, 2023 by grandmaster 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 1 minute ago, grandmaster said: I think it will. I have faith in this management group to turn things around (unlike some other posters here). They are experts in their field and have had to deal with a big mess left behind by JB and the flat Cap. I’m sure they have a good idea now with what they have and what they need to do. Team’s surgery has just begun. There will be a lot more moves happening. Some will hurt at the moment but in the long run, it will be better. The team will play like a team again, we will learn defence and we will get new players on the roster, picks and futures. Darkness for now but there will be light in the future. What big mess? The one that needed two easy, obvious moves to fix? The one that would have resolved itself in a year regardless? The mess is on this regime, not the old one. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Heffy Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 5 minutes ago, Boudrias said: Either that or they really wanted Tocchet. In any event they could have let BB go and just had an assistant coach carry on until Tocchet was available. My curious question is whether this whole scenario is being crafted to lower expectations of the team and management so that even small victories in the future will be +++. Also wondering if other teams will view what has gone on as an opportunity to pluck a deal from the carcus? At the end of the day who JR & PA bring back in future deals will be their legacy not the crap that led to it. Not so sure. Keenan is still remembered for his character issues over the return from Linden. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuckfanforlife82 Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 25 minutes ago, AngelicHearts said: I can see the headlines now, and my heart isn't ready for it. I wonder what this could be about? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arsenalian Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 3 minutes ago, grandmaster said: I think it will. I have faith in this management group to turn things around (unlike some other posters here). They are experts in their field and have had to deal with a big mess left behind by JB and the flat Cap. I’m sure they have a good idea now with what they have and what they need to do. Team’s surgery has just begun. There will be a lot more moves happening. Some will hurt at the moment but in the long run, it will be for the better. The team will play like a team again, we will learn defence and we will get new players on the roster, picks and futures. Darkness for now but there will be light in the future. I hope they handle the rest of the “surgery” with more professionalism, so far it looks like a botched boob job 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 Just now, Muttley said: You can have all the firepower in the world but if the defense is weak because of poor construction and players that really have no desire to play till it hurts because they have iron clad contracts. Tocchet can't fix that. LOL. Anyone that knows anything should realize that JR was just waiting for the losses to pile up to the point the playoffs were unattainable. Would cutting their goals against been easier with a healthy Demko in net 4 out of 5 games? Do teams play differently knowing the netminder is A-one and dependable? I fear Tocchet will simply be an older version of Travis Green. The defense is only as good as the system the coach deploys. A well defined structured system is the equalizer, it is meant for teams (or dcorps) that are the lower end of the talent scale. A strong, structured system takes the onus off the individual player and truly makes it a team game. That's what makes small countries like Finland so successful on the international stage, they overcome individual short comings with a strong team game. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurn Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 6 minutes ago, grandmaster said: with a big mess left behind by JB and the flat Cap. They dealt with the flat cap by adding close to $20 mill to next years roster. Not a good start. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JayDangles Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 7 minutes ago, NUCKER67 said: Goaltending is bad, and seeing Miller's frustration on the bench after they got scored on again, says it all. The players are working hard at times and really trying and then Martin lets in a softie. It's got to be crushing. Maybe this goaltending will help the Canucks get into the Top 5 at the Draft Well all of Millers turnovers during man advantages are a big help too. Also his lack of effort on the back check. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuckfanforlife82 Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 (edited) 1 minute ago, stawns said: The defense is only as good as the system the coach deploys. A well defined structured system is the equalizer, it is meant for teams (or dcorps) that are the lower end of the talent scale. A strong, structured system takes the onus off the individual player and truly makes it a team game. That's what makes small countries like Finland so successful on the international stage, they overcome individual short comings with a strong team game. I do think the team keeps being let off the hook. To let them know they are serious, they have to start making serious moves involving the roster. Edited January 22, 2023 by Canuckfanforlife82 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Gurn Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 9 hours ago, Down by the River said: If you're thinking of donating money to charity, reconsider donating to Canucks for Kids Fund: For every dollar you donate, just 9 cents will actually go to the cause. Your money will go a lot further to helping children if you look at more reputable charities. https://www.charityintelligence.ca/charity-details/532-canucks-for-kids-fund Thank you for this link. I'll check this out later- see if they have historical numbers as well. Maybe the amount that actually reaches their charity has changed, as management/owner changed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post -DLC- Posted January 22, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted January 22, 2023 Seeing Bruce's post game interview now...really ticks me off. Jay Janover is ripping the organization on Global morning news. Using words like "disgraceful". When a guy has come in and helped a team get through a lowest low then he's kicked to the curb in this way after being in the league for decades, it stinks. A guy who outwardly loves the game and has supported his players and the clownshow overseeing him, this is NOT how you send him off. You acknowledge him in a way that he can leave the game with dignity and respect. I watched the behind the bench body language/stuff....he stood alone, like he was on an island. Screw Yeo too...can't stand him. Smug, entitled...get him gone. Jason King? Why he is special/here? Clean house and keep only the specialists who are seeing results and success. But not to replace them with friends and acquaintances who want cushy jobs. Experts in the jobs. The best guys for the jobs. I am gutted over how Bruce is exiting. Screw this crap....here are my thoughts for him in one long, run on rant. Because I have to let it out. Quote Dear Bruce, Thank you for coming on board with our team and dragging them out of the pit of despair and instilling some confidence and belief in them. You had success when no one thought you would. Even if it wasn't sustained, it turned things around enough for us to have hope. Yes, Demko really stood up and helped in that, but the rest of the team bought in to what you sold them. We hear of structure and yes...very important. But no one follows structure or a plan if they're down and out and no longer care. If they've given up. The first thing that needs to happen when you want to motivate a workforce is you have to inspire them. Get them to listen. Then you can lay out a plan. You are a progressive coach...you get that part. Some call it soft but that's a term for old dinosaurs who don't evolve. You can't scream and order people to win, you have to help them win. Sure, you can be tough and it doesn't always have to be sunshine and roses...but a balance has to be struck. You understood that. You were innovate, bringing in "the belt" so the team would bond in the room and share the glory of wins rather than just absorb them individually. It may have been seen like a cute little stunt but it was actually brilliant, having teammates acknowledge one another with gratitude and support. So that everyone felt included and part of the successes. Brought the room together. This year was tough...and goaltending really factored in. It exposed, even further, weaknesses that were not being adequately addressed. But easier to pin that on you I guess. Your record hardly had a chance here. I heard an analogy that really fit for you: you were like a seasoned chef who was given a bag of mismatched ingredients, some sub par, and asked to make a 5 star meal out of them. Then told your recipe was crap. Unfair, you really weren't given a fair shake in this. And the sample size was so small...I think the "new guy" had you targeted from the get go. Because he had his own guy/s? That's bs. This isn't his team, it's ours. And you were OUR coach. He will be accountable for everything moving forward. You were a bit of a scapegoat and a lazy way to "address" the team's needs. Right, it's "one guy". Sure. You may be the starting point in change, but I think they are missing the mark (completely). I know that it "happens" and when teams are struggling the coach is often the first to go but that's easy/lazy at times. Following the script but is it what's needed most? Can be more for show in my opinion..."look, we're doing something" but is it really the answer? The team let you down, big time. You were there for them but they didn't reciprocate. There were games/times when they mailed it in and were satisfied. That doesn't cut it. A new coach will come in and they will have to contend with that...it might be a wake up call. If you were "the problem" and it was simply a matter of running the team without structure, so be it. Time will reveal that. But you still deserved a better send off. Not a slinky kick out the door surrounded with rumours and rumblings and sneaky little trips to Vegas (I hope whatever happened in Vegas STAYS in Vegas...I'm not on board with Tocchet). Talk about night/day. Here's how it should play out with big boys who know how to run an organization: the FIRST person to be told "we're taking calls/talking to others" is the coach who'll be replaced. "Hey, we're looking to replace you". Then you start the process so he can also start his. Without uncertainty, instability and hearing his name being thrown around out there. You handled it like a true champion and with nothing but class (and your cute sense of humour, that will be missed. Again...strike that balance and you did that, beautifully). If you're a good leader/organization, you also don't spit out that "you don't WANT to change coaches" as you're talking to prospective coaches. WAT?! Double talk is garbage. Trying not to ruffle the feathers as you're plucking the bird out here and trying to look like you're being fair and considerate. What the hell are the calls and conversations about then? Come on. You HAVE wanted to change coaches from day one. He wasn't your guy (but he was ours). You had ideas of who you wanted on your team because, well, they were your team from the past. Nepotism. We all want success for this team...we're tired of being sick and tired. But Bruce, you certainly shone a bright light during some dark days. You never wavered or showed that this team was to be given up on. You never distanced yourself, as some would as things floundered. You rallied and cheerleaded (just like I do). Not all fluff...you also were a straight shooter. When you didn't have answers you didn't pretend...you said so. Some would've spouted off like they had all the answers but no one does all the time. But, bottom line is, if the coach doesn't believe why should anyone else? You did. It was infectious...your true joy and love of the game. This game's supposed to make us feel good, not bad, and you often were the one guy who embodied that. Some will criticize this for being sappy and overly emotional...I don't care. I saw the emotion in you as you stood there on the bench last night, seemingly alone as the cowards beside you distanced themselves. Maybe thinking of their own jobs/moves up the ladder? Screw them. We were there beside you. The fans. The players, who genuinely showed how they felt about it how this is going down too. But it falls on deaf ears because egos are in the way. I can't stand this new management team. I will give them a chance but I won't forget how my (now) favourite coach had to do what he did how he did it. Classless. Thank you, Bruce. You were a favourite coach for a reason....you are a decent human being and that matters. That's being lost for some who are drive to succeed and drop the human element in it all. You weren't afraid to go against the grain and be a man who wears his heart on his sleeve. To show true happiness in its purest form and to just "love" hockey as you shared your knowledge of the game with others. Perhaps your time had run out and it was stale because the guys needed something more...that's ok. But you still deserved a proper send off where you could be celebrated, not quietly slipped out the back door as it appears to be happening. BS. Bruce there it is now seemingly is Bruce there he goes. And I am not happy today with what I've seen unfold. Very disillusioned and disappointed. Love, admiration and respect, Deb Yes, I am crying as I write this. Whatever. My heart feels sad today. 4 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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