[Report] Canucks fire Bruce Boudreau, Trent Cull; name Rick Tocchet as head coach, Adam Foote as assistant coach, Sergei Gonchar as defensive development coach

[Ted Lasso]

6 minutes ago, Ballisticsports. said:

Tocchet saying it's not a quick fix

Take the rest of this season Rick

Yeah, for all the elephant jokes, that idiom basically equates to a rebuild. It’s going to take time and a lot of steps. Sounds like we’re not trying to win this season, and have a long term view.

[24K PureCool]

3 minutes ago, IRR said:

That’s the thing…..I don’t agree with how they handled Bruce (made me sick), but the media 100% percent played a role and that’s a common theme with them in this market, but some want to ignore it. They are horrible in so many ways & this press conference is another example…they are just bad at their jobs. 

That is a common theme in any media and news reporting. 

 

You just don't like media, we get it. 

[Devron]

Just stopped in to use the elephant

[SilentSam]

I’m going to reserve my comments on hiring Tochett as a head coach,.  But even with a better line up than this..   I don’t think he’ll get the room.

 

I can appreciate more than anything defensive coaching changes,.  This aspect has been weak for many years.  Perhaps this group of D coaches are vocal to management about their player needs to establish a core of fearless back Enders.

 

The real issue is still with JR and an entire management group not moving away from players they should have last Summer.

 

(a small example of that would have been keeping or Re acquiring Motte and letting Boeser go home or trading him closer to that.)

 

Th pressure is still on this management group to make changes,  this coaching change is a smoke screen . 
Nothing  will change until that happens, proving moving away from Boudreau was wrong , and he deserved Management , namely Rutherford to do his job with player management,  and not cut down Bruce like he has since Rutherford’s arrival.

 

Rutherfords ego is inflated ,  he should retire.

it’s expected as he was only hired to bring in a management team,.   That is now bursting at the seams and doing very little it seems except look like henchmen and hags in the Brass Box.

[grandmaster]

21 minutes ago, Jaimito said:

 

 

 

If they had said no we are definitely not changing coaches in the middle of the season again then it would have shut all this down. I feel this was an excuse for an action they wanted to do but show they didn’t. 

[-DLC-]

13 minutes ago, DeNiro said:

A lot of it was just media speculation and intensity driving it.

 

 

But this is the lack of accountability that irks me.

 

Blaming others for his piss poor handling of things. He GAVE opportunity for speculation by not directly addressing things, as he should have. Let everyone (mostly, Bruce) know exactly what is happening and dispel the myths. It's not like the speculation was false...everyone knew but he was still trying to hide behind a wall of denial. Didn't want to be the bad guy...or at least outed as such. 

 

He gave a wishy washy bunch of bull less than a week ago:

 

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“All I can say is that Bruce [Boudreau] is our coach right now,” Rutherford told media members, despite well-circulated rumours that Rick Tocchet is all but pencilled in as Vancouver’s bench boss moving forward. "But with that, I’m calling and talking, but don’t know that we’re making a change and don’t want to make a change.”

"I don't want to make a change"??  Horseshit.

 

That's where he lost us. He was in the process of making a change. And Bruce reportedly didn't get a memo. He should've been direct and said "yes, we're making a change and I've been talking to a potential replacement". AFTER telling Bruce that in person. That's how good Presidents handle business.

 

He created the mess...and owning it would've gone a long way for me. I don't like his deflecting and blaming. Media did it. Media was reporting on it while he sat on his hands and his phone.

 

And it would've been nice to have acknowledged Bruce with some appreciation with an in game message. It was crap.

[DeNiro]

1 minute ago, Devron said:

Just stopped in to use the elephant

You gonna eat that?

[Ronning4center]

Too much finger pointing.  Every coach is fired amongst speculation...we always know who the next coach is way before it happens.  The team is not performing and we have three legends of hockey willing to deal with the scrutiny and media...all of whom are already wealthy so it's not for money...to come and make this special. 

I've noticed in the last 10 years everyone wants to have answers and complain and trash about every perceived slight.  In tochetts day you'd settle it on the ice without whining...I this the team amd the fans could use a bit of this.

[Sell.the.team]

Just now, DeNiro said:

Liked what I heard from Tocchett. Seems like he’s going to take a very reasonable approach to the rest of the season. Understands that long term goals trump wins right now. More about teaching, evaluating and getting to know the players.

 

I actually didn’t even mind Rutherfords responses. I know everyone wants to crucify him but I thought he was remorseful and owned what happened. A lot of it was just media speculation and intensity driving it.

 

The one person I was really disappointed with today was Allvin. He’s the most responsible for this mess and he didn’t seem to own up to it too much. Looked disengaged and at times a little intimidated like he had no idea that he was to blame. Did not look like a leader with a confident direction. Seemed like a guy that is putting it on people he hired to fix things.

Personally i found JR's apologies weak at best and he totally missed the mark with them.  If anything, he seemed very unapologetic for everything he was critisized for.  If I offended you im sorry' is not a good apology.  Neither is 'Im sorry for being too honest'... If anything I think the angry mob (myself included) appreciated his honesty... it was his actions that were unappreciated.  Blaming everything on 'media speculation' is also a bold faced lie which he was called out for.  He needs to start running a tighter ship if he wants to find success in this market.

 

As for Tocchet, I think he sounds like an oaf / dinosaur and I don't think he will find success here.  I will do my best to give him a fair chance but I think he made a mistake taking this job and I think we made a mistake hiring him. The one silver lining for me is I suspect this new coaching staff will be equally incompetent (if not more) and so I'm hopefully the tank will continue as unplanned.

 

 

[Ronning4center]

Too much finger pointing.  Every coach is fired amongst speculation...we always know who the next coach is way before it happens.  The team is not performing and we have three legends of hockey willing to deal with the scrutiny and media...all of whom are already wealthy so it's not for money...to come and make this special. 

I've noticed in the last 10 years everyone wants to have answers and complain and trash about every perceived slight.  In tochetts day you'd settle it on the ice without whining...I this the team amd the fans could use a bit of this.

[Ronning4center]

Yeo must be better than we think

Edited January 22, 2023 by Ronning4center

[Coconuts]

2 minutes ago, Kenny Powers said:

Yeah, for all the elephant jokes, that idiom basically equates to a rebuild. It’s going to take time and a lot of steps. Sounds like we’re not trying to win this season, and have a long term view.

This might have been the only actual bit of information he gave us and it's nothing we didn't already know 

 

They can dance around the rebuild word all they like but it looks inevitable at this point

 

 

 

[Ronning4center]

I was never sold on Cull since we lost a few prospects a few years ago.

Edited January 22, 2023 by Ronning4center

[TheRussianRocket1994]

3 minutes ago, J-23 said:

That’s a common theme in any sports market..

Never said it wasn’t…..doesn’t make it right or what I said wrong. 
 

Why do some of you have to respond like this?! Was the hand on face emoji needed? Stating a fact that some seem to ignore. 

[Ghostsof1915]

Just now, Ronning4center said:

Too much finger pointing.  Every coach is fired amongst speculation...we always know who the next coach is way before it happens.  The team is not performing and we have three legends of hockey willing to deal with the scrutiny and media...all of whom are already wealthy so it's not for money...to come and make this special. 

I've noticed in the last 10 years everyone wants to have answers and complain and trash about every perceived slight.  In tochetts day you'd settle it on the ice without whining...I this the team amd the fans could use a bit of this.

Firing is understandable. But the botched way they handled it has crappy optics.

[BlakeQuinnAndEggs]

2 hours ago, TheOgRook said:

What does politics have to do with backing a coach?!?  Keep that stuff to the off topic white noise forums. 

Because many here are calling him a criminal

[Snake Doctor]

2 minutes ago, Ronning4center said:

Too much finger pointing.  Every coach is fired amongst speculation...we always know who the next coach is way before it happens.  The team is not performing and we have three legends of hockey willing to deal with the scrutiny and media...all of whom are already wealthy so it's not for money...to come and make this special. 

I've noticed in the last 10 years everyone wants to have answers and complain and trash about every perceived slight.  In tochetts day you'd settle it on the ice without whining...I this the team amd the fans could use a bit of this.

Well said

[allegend]

Yeo and King survived.  I did not see Cull being culled.

[Qwags]

Elephant.

[Jaimito]

 

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