Junkyard Dog Posted February 1, 2023 Share Posted February 1, 2023 48 minutes ago, Mike Vanderhoek said: Rumours in Vancouver = media driven garbage. Media here are garbage and already done enough damage. Vancouver very likely has received inquiries from teams looking to solidify goal. He holds decent value right now with his age, cap regardless of the injuries. And yes teams will call as they will try to buy low on him. You can get a roster piece or prospect/pick for him. Just don't aim so high in terms of Clarke etc It’s smoke at the least. If management wanted they could stomp it out quite quickly. Hence why I asked for Tobias Bjornfot, Helge Grans and picks if LA wants him. A 21 year old LD in Tobias Bjornfot that already has over 100 NHL games(made jump early) but has struggled to find ice time with the playoff competing Kings(probably should be in AHL). A 20 year old RD who’s playing in the AHL in Helge Grans. They’re good but not great prospects like Clarke. Could really help in addressing the D pool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tas Posted February 1, 2023 Share Posted February 1, 2023 8 minutes ago, Junkyard Dog said: After two injuries, a surgery and a bad season they will be. Good you mentioned his 15 games, 3 of which are wins… and he was being outplayed by a back up G at the time. Been out for a while now too. They’re definitely not gonna look at him in the same light as last year. His track record since the bubble was an elite G up until this point. Prior to that he was a developing G. It’s night and day circumstances. he's been pegged as an elite starter since before he we went to college. his pedigree is beyond reproach. no way does any gm or scout with a clue think his career is at risk of being derailed by a 15 game blip on the radar, playing behind a historically terrible defensive team with monumental off-ice issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted February 1, 2023 Share Posted February 1, 2023 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Mando27 said: Could see Demko and Schenn going to Pitt for something like Jarry+. Jarry + Kapanen (cap) + Blomqvist + Pickering/Poulin or a 2nd? Edited February 1, 2023 by aGENT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junkyard Dog Posted February 1, 2023 Share Posted February 1, 2023 1 minute ago, tas said: he's been pegged as an elite starter since before he we went to college. his pedigree is beyond reproach. no way does any gm or scout with a clue think his career is at risk of being derailed by a 15 game blip on the radar, playing behind a historically terrible defensive team with monumental off-ice issues. If he was pegged as an elite starter since then, then you must consider the prospects you’re asking for that elite already as well in which case teams won’t give the up. Maybe even more since most of them were drafted much higher. Especially for an injured G who’s missed more games than the team has played. Was being outplayed by a backup G before going down. Has had a surgery before his most recent injury and has yet to prove he is the same G he was before since the surgery. We iced a better roster this year than last year and he’s played worse. He was carrying games last year and he had played a part in costing us games this year. And if Demko was that elite he would have went top 10 like the prospects people are asking for and not in the 2nd round. You’re grasping at straws like the people who thought we could get Wright for Horvat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostsof1915 Posted February 1, 2023 Share Posted February 1, 2023 (edited) Unless we have an NHL goalie ready to go that's been lighting it up in the AHL or something. I think its a bad move. Goalies traditionally don't get much return. We'd be better off developing a successor to Demko if he starts to falter next years. Edited February 1, 2023 by Ghostsof1915 1 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwijibo Posted February 1, 2023 Share Posted February 1, 2023 11 minutes ago, tas said: he's been pegged as an elite starter since before he we went to college. his pedigree is beyond reproach. no way does any gm or scout with a clue think his career is at risk of being derailed by a 15 game blip on the radar, playing behind a historically terrible defensive team with monumental off-ice issues. The injuries are more of a concern than a 15 game stretch. Especially considering he’s already past the 6 weeks he was supposed to be out and there’s still no timeline for his return. Add that to his injury history (concussions , double hip surgery etc) and that’s a red flag for any GM considering acquiring him. Plus, he’s really only played one full season as a starter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D-Money Posted February 1, 2023 Share Posted February 1, 2023 (edited) One thing is for sure: it was ridiculously stupid to overplay Demko last year down the stretch. We might have done permanent damage to our franchise goalie to keep the faint dream of playoffs alive. The Bruce run last season was fun, but I can't help but feel it set the franchise back. Management couldn't make the changes they wanted to without first proving if the success was in any way sustainable. And now Demko has additional injury issues because of it. Edited February 1, 2023 by D-Money 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BertaNuck Posted February 1, 2023 Share Posted February 1, 2023 Demko was awful in the games he played this season even losing the net to Martin several times, hopefully not a sign of what is to come and. Maybe Jr is looking a trades while value is high 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby James Posted February 1, 2023 Share Posted February 1, 2023 I'm not sure I see the value in Van trading Demko. This still isn't a rebuild (they continue to call it a re-tool) and we'll need a good goalie. So unless there is someone in Abby that is about to pop off in the NHL I just don't see how moving Demko doesn't make us significantly worse next season and in need of another position to fill. Also doesn't Demko love Ian Clarke? Maybe if there was a crazy offer on the table that Van can't say no to, but really I just don't see that happening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanuckinEdm Posted February 1, 2023 Share Posted February 1, 2023 Buffalo for Levi & a first Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tas Posted February 1, 2023 Share Posted February 1, 2023 41 minutes ago, qwijibo said: The injuries are more of a concern than a 15 game stretch. Especially considering he’s already past the 6 weeks he was supposed to be out and there’s still no timeline for his return. Add that to his injury history (concussions , double hip surgery etc) and that’s a red flag for any GM considering acquiring him. Plus, he’s really only played one full season as a starter. injuries are part of the game and any concern is hugely overblown. luongo had constant groin and hip issues, he played great until we was 40. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tas Posted February 1, 2023 Share Posted February 1, 2023 46 minutes ago, Junkyard Dog said: If he was pegged as an elite starter since then, then you must consider the prospects you’re asking for that elite already as well in which case teams won’t give the up. Maybe even more since most of them were drafted much higher. Especially for an injured G who’s missed more games than the team has played. Was being outplayed by a backup G before going down. Has had a surgery before his most recent injury and has yet to prove he is the same G he was before since the surgery. We iced a better roster this year than last year and he’s played worse. He was carrying games last year and he had played a part in costing us games this year. And if Demko was that elite he would have went top 10 like the prospects people are asking for and not in the 2nd round. You’re grasping at straws like the people who thought we could get Wright for Horvat. elite goalies don't go top 10 in the draft anymore unless the draft is bad. you're lucky if you get 1 or 2 goalies on any first round and it has nothing to do with their talent level. I'm not grasping at straws in any sense because I haven't made any claims about what demko could return (the goalie market is always fickle). the people grasping at straws are the ones suddenly painting demko as damaged goods based on literally a month and a half that should be discarded entirely because of how terrible the team is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Metal Face Doom Posted February 1, 2023 Share Posted February 1, 2023 24 minutes ago, BertaNuck said: Demko was awful in the games he played this season even losing the net to Martin several times, hopefully not a sign of what is to come and. Maybe Jr is looking a trades while value is high I don't think his value is all that high at the moment. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwijibo Posted February 1, 2023 Share Posted February 1, 2023 (edited) 10 minutes ago, tas said: injuries are part of the game and any concern is hugely overblown. luongo had constant groin and hip issues, he played great until we was 40. But Demko is out NOW with no clear timeline for his return. And on the flip side to Luongo. Injuries ended Price’s career at 33. And that came immediately after he carried the team to the cup finals. You can’t just ignore a long list of serious injuries Edited February 1, 2023 by qwijibo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tas Posted February 1, 2023 Share Posted February 1, 2023 10 minutes ago, qwijibo said: But Demko is out NOW with no clear timeline for his return. And on the flip side to Luongo. Injuries ended Price’s career at 33. And that came immediately after he carried the team to the cup finals. You can’t just ignore a long list of serious injuries the "clear timeline" is he's skating now and needs to get into game shape. allvin spitballed 3 weeks. price had a very specific injury. list some other examples of goalies who declined colossally due to routine injuries and surgeries in their 20s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwijibo Posted February 1, 2023 Share Posted February 1, 2023 1 minute ago, tas said: the "clear timeline" is he's skating now and needs to get into game shape. allvin spitballed 3 weeks. price had a very specific injury. list some other examples of goalies who declined colossally due to routine injuries and surgeries in their 20s. I can leave out the injuries and name a bunch that were the hottest goalies in the league for a couple years and then seemingly lost their games. It happens all the time. Goaltender is an oddball position and Demko does not have a very established record as a starter. I’m not saying he won’t get it back. But man, until he returns to play and gets back to his expected level of play you have to admit there are red flags and reasons for concern. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timberz21 Posted February 1, 2023 Share Posted February 1, 2023 1 hour ago, Junkyard Dog said: It’s smoke at the least. If management wanted they could stomp it out quite quickly. Hence why I asked for Tobias Bjornfot, Helge Grans and picks if LA wants him. A 21 year old LD in Tobias Bjornfot that already has over 100 NHL games(made jump early) but has struggled to find ice time with the playoff competing Kings(probably should be in AHL). A 20 year old RD who’s playing in the AHL in Helge Grans. They’re good but not great prospects like Clarke. Could really help in addressing the D pool. Yes, also, those call might not be for a trade deadline deal, but rather early discussion on a potential draft day deal. If Demko returns and is lights out, even on a short period, it could help his potential return. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BC_Hawk Posted February 1, 2023 Share Posted February 1, 2023 3 minutes ago, qwijibo said: I can leave out the injuries and name a bunch that were the hottest goalies in the league for a couple years and then seemingly lost their games. It happens all the time. Goaltender is an oddball position and Demko does not have a very established record as a starter. I’m not saying he won’t get it back. But man, until he returns to play and gets back to his expected level of play you have to admit there are red flags and reasons for concern. Quite honestly; he was probably just playing through his rehab to start the year as the team had kind of gone all in on a 2B level backup to save $$ this year. After his injury and how the year has gone, why bother rushing him back. Demko's foundational game is position; Big tall butterfly goalie....Clark's specialty. Players don't often lose that, just some confidence. Without another up and comer in the ranks, we would be stupid to trade him. As others have noted, Goalies usually dont get good returns, and Demko is young enough to be pivotal to our success after our retool/rebuild. I agree about the smoke; nothing wrong with taking calls and having discussions. Same with a Petterson trade; if someone calls, you listen to their offer. IF PA weren't, he is not doing his job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Provost Posted February 1, 2023 Share Posted February 1, 2023 2 hours ago, Mike Vanderhoek said: Rumours in Vancouver = media driven garbage. Media here are garbage and already done enough damage. Vancouver very likely has received inquiries from teams looking to solidify goal. He holds decent value right now with his age, cap regardless of the injuries. And yes teams will call as they will try to buy low on him. You can get a roster piece or prospect/pick for him. Just don't aim so high in terms of Clarke etc Ya… stupid media speculation causing Boudreau to be fired! Stupid media rumours that Horvat was on the block to be traded when that clearly wasn’t true. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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