[Trade] Canucks trade Bo Horvat to Islanders for Anthony Beauvillier, Aatu Raty, 2023 1st-round draft pick

[hammertime]

2 minutes ago, Alflives said:

Islanders are happy with Bo. They are winning tonight and, although Bo isn’t putting up any offence, he’s supporting the good offensive players by doing a lot of the “little things”.

Bo “Little Things” Horvat is heading to the playoffs where the little things are even more important. 
Go Bo Go! 

I'll save the gloating until they're swept. 

[canucklehead44]

1 minute ago, Alflives said:

Islanders are happy with Bo. They are winning tonight and, although Bo isn’t putting up any offence, he’s supporting the good offensive players by doing a lot of the “little things”.

Bo “Little Things” Horvat is heading to the playoffs where the little things are even more important. 
Go Bo Go! 

Long live little thinger!

[Alflives]

5 minutes ago, canucklehead44 said:

Long live little thinger!

Maybe we need to replace the Loui “little things” emoji with a Bo one? Would it be free? 

[canucklehead44]

2 minutes ago, Alflives said:

Maybe we need to replace the Loui “little things” emoji with a Bo one? Would it be free? 

His face can replace the “RoughGame” paper bag 

[Alflives]

1 minute ago, canucklehead44 said:

His face can replace the “RoughGame” paper bag 

Did Loui ever say crap about Vancouver fans? If any player had fans being idiots to him it was likely Loui. And even so I don’t think he said bad things about Van fans. 
How about a Bozo the Clown emoji (with Bo’s face) in place of the Loui or paper bag?

[5nothincanucksohno]

1 hour ago, steviewonder20 said:

Management could have delivered better wingers for him and less rotating of them. Epic fail by Benning. Hockey is a team sport, otherwise McDavid would have won 6 cups by now for the Oilers.

I included Benning but is also on Bo for not building any accountability on the ice...that is where it matters the most. Shitty wingers have been with EP' as well and he still drives play. Bo doesn't drive play and I am glad there is a new leadership structure in place. I have nothing against Bo but I want to see the Canucks in the playoffs and they now have a chance next year...that was never happening with Bo as the Captain. 

[24K PureCool]

Congrats ti Vo making it back to the playoffs. Now enjoy your quick exit by the hands of the Bruins. 

 

Also Pens you disappoint me. Should have traded for JT.

[rekker]

Happy for Bo. He was a good Canuck and deserves some playoff hockey. I like the direction this team is going without Bo, but appreciate his time here.

[Alflives]

3 minutes ago, rekker said:

Happy for Bo. He was a good Canuck and deserves some playoff hockey. I like the direction this team is going without Bo, but appreciate his time here.

Yup, Bo is not scoring much now but he’s going the little things that are so important to winning, 

Little Things Horvat. Has a nice ring to it, don’t ya thsink? 

[rekker]

1 minute ago, Alflives said:

Yup, Bo is not scoring much now but he’s going the little things that are so important to winning, 

Little Things Horvat. Has a nice ring to it, don’t ya thsink? 

I thsink your into the sauce Alf! Lol. 

[JeremyCuddles]

1 hour ago, hammertime said:

I find AHL stats really infuriating. The stats are certainly tracked but ye gotta pay large to get them. 

Elite prospects tracks em? I see they have a subscription thing. Never looked into it.

[Toews]

2 hours ago, 5nothincanucksohno said:

I included Benning but is also on Bo for not building any accountability on the ice...that is where it matters the most. Shitty wingers have been with EP' as well and he still drives play. Bo doesn't drive play and I am glad there is a new leadership structure in place. I have nothing against Bo but I want to see the Canucks in the playoffs and they now have a chance next year...that was never happening with Bo as the Captain. 

It is the job of the coaching staff to build accountability. I think you are way overestimating the duty of a captain. The Isles became a much better team under Barry Trotz because he brought structure to their game rather than Doug Weight's coaching style of run and gun. It had little to do with who the captain was. If the Canucks succeed next season it will have more to do with Tocchet's coaching than it will Bo no longer being the captain.

[Timråfan]

2 hours ago, Alflives said:

Did Loui ever say crap about Vancouver fans? If any player had fans being idiots to him it was likely Loui. And even so I don’t think he said bad things about Van fans. 
How about a Bozo the Clown emoji (with Bo’s face) in place of the Loui or paper bag?

Nope, he only critisized how he was used by Green. 
If only fans and Benning had listen to Loui back then.

Green might have been kicked a lot quicker…

[Ted Lasso]

6 minutes ago, Toews said:

It is the job of the coaching staff to build accountability. I think you are way overestimating the duty of a captain. The Isles became a much better team under Barry Trotz because he brought structure to their game rather than Doug Weight's coaching style of run and gun. It had little to do with who the captain was. If the Canucks succeed next season it will have more to do with Tocchet's coaching than it will Bo no longer being the captain.

Then what’s the duty of a captain?  Is it just a media spokesperson? 

[Miss Korea Bob.Loblaw]

Just gonna drop this here.  DeMar was always loyal to Toronto.  And even if he was done dirty by the GM, he will never speak ill of the city and its fans.

 

Even as he turfs them out of the playoffs.

[NHL97OneTimer]

20 minutes ago, Timråfan said:

Nope, he only critisized how he was used by Green. 
If only fans and Benning had listen to Loui back then.

Green might have been kicked a lot quicker…

"only fans" and "Benning" in the same sentence, he he

[5nothincanucksohno]

33 minutes ago, Toews said:

It is the job of the coaching staff to build accountability. I think you are way overestimating the duty of a captain. The Isles became a much better team under Barry Trotz because he brought structure to their game rather than Doug Weight's coaching style of run and gun. It had little to do with who the captain was. If the Canucks succeed next season it will have more to do with Tocchet's coaching than it will Bo no longer being the captain.

Maybe in peewee but that is just not true at the NHL level. Coaches can provide structure sure but it only means something if the players buy-in and hold each other accountable. The team never bought in under Horvat. Even if you don't blame Horvat, they players still never bought in under Horvat. It was time for a new direction and a new leadership group.

 

 

[Ted Lasso]

1 hour ago, Toews said:

It is the job of the coaching staff to build accountability. I think you are way overestimating the duty of a captain. The Isles became a much better team under Barry Trotz because he brought structure to their game rather than Doug Weight's coaching style of run and gun. It had little to do with who the captain was. If the Canucks succeed next season it will have more to do with Tocchet's coaching than it will Bo no longer being the captain.

Are you not capable of stating what a Captain’s role should be? 

[steviewonder20]

4 hours ago, iceman64 said:

Epic fail by Benning? Anyone in his position would have loved to surround his best players with quality support guys yeah but no matter who was at the helm you can only do so much when you have a roster of locked in contracts waiting to come off and that was us for a longggggg time.. that was a MG thing leading up to that but not only did we get a broken locked in roster in 2012 but the "sell the farm" had been used so there was nothing at the farm. 

 What a shiteshow to take over, no way in hell would I have taken that on, because not only sell the farm but stupid fans agreeing with it EVEN though that path never got us anywhere.. ever.. close a few times doesn't count for $hit and the rest of the times in between was usually laughable at best. 

Why would I say that? The locked in part was the part that no GM could circumvent contract law but again clued out fans thinking anyone could simply say to the league, screw your rules and laws I'm doing it my way, is dumb as a post.. not including Canada is not the first on the list of players destinations like LA, New York etc. plus good ole Canadian taxes... 

If it were only just that easy...

 

Hmm, I think JB locked in and traded for some more locked in contracts, so yes, epic fail by JB to trade away so many picks, deplete our prospect pool and get us aging slow players in return. Current management has their hands tied but I do have some faith in them.

[Ted Lasso]

I believe @Dr. Crossbar made the point, and I’d agree, Horvat was rushed into the role early in his career, and at a difficult time for the team. 

 

On Hockey Central, Sat referred to Bo as a very good player, and a fine Captain. That seems fair to me.

 

The article below attempts to capture what makes a good C:

 

https://www.hockeyskillstraining.com/qualities-of-a-good-team-captain/

 

Hockey is a physically intense sport that requires strength, athleticism, and quick reflexes. There’s also however, a strong psychological and mental aspect of hockey that can truly help set the good players apart from the greats. Being the captain of a hockey team requires the ability to keep up with the physical game but also to stay on top of it mentally and emotionally. Captains can’t get into bad habits like taking careless penalties or daydreaming on the ice. They are the cornerstone of the team and must act accordingly in order to keep great chemistry and promote strong teamwork. These are some of the qualities that the best hockey team captains will exhibit both on and off the ice.

Highly Motivated

While some players are able to get by with their natural talent and minimal effort, captains don’t fall into this trap. Even if they are the most skilled player on the team, the captain will be constantly working to improve his or her game on a daily basis. They are willing to show up early and study the other team or go over important drills and learn from past mistakes. To a captain, the most important thing is that the team gives its best effort, and he is prepared to motivate his teammates and often even his coaches in order to bring out everyone’s strengths.

Selfless

A captain isn’t just looking to be the stats leader at the end of the season – he wants to see all of his teammates play to the best of their ability. This means being selfless and giving someone else an opportunity when the situation calls for it. A selfish player might see a small opening on the ice and attempt to shoot their own goal when a much better option was right in front of them. A good captain knows that he should pass in this situation as it gives the team a better chance to score and possibly win the game.

This selflessness doesn’t only show during the game, either. Captains will stick around and help younger or less experienced players with their drills and practices. The captain is there to motivate not only himself but every other player on the team. He will be focused on growth and learning and willing to give his time to the team in order to help others. The success of the team is far more important than that of the individual, and the captain is well aware of this. He’d much rather see a “W” for the team than a hat trick for himself.

Positive Reinforcement

Negative comments and pessimism are contagious and can result in the entire team playing below their standards. If someone takes a bad shot and gets reamed out by their teammates, they may become angry or lose confidence. This can cause them to start playing worse throughout the game even if they hardly made a mistake in the first place.

A good team captain is aware of this and does everything possible to focus on the positive aspects of the game. Instead of dwelling on what went wrong with a certain play, the captain might compliment the initial move or the excellent skating skills shown by the other player. He will discuss what can be changed next time in order to succeed rather than continuing to highlight why the team failed previously. Encouraging a stronger performance always yields better results than putting teammates down and dwelling on poor ones. This starts small with every play on the ice but must also be followed throughout the course of the season. Losing four in a row isn’t an ideal situation for any team, but a captain knows how to rally them together and get everyone looking forward to the next game instead of thinking about the past.

 Humble but Strong

 While there is nothing wrong with a good goal celebration, a good captain knows not to get too emotional in any aspect of the game. He can have fun with his team and enjoy the victories, but he must maintain a steady, humble but strong presence that keeps the team on an even level. This can be a challenge when everyone is celebrating an overtime victory, but it is a major asset when a team is down multiple goals in a physical and chirpy game against one of its rivals. Instead of succumbing to emotion and taking a bad penalty or starting a fight, a captain knows to focus on the game and remain undistracted.

When the captain can show this kind of resolve, the team is likely to follow suit. Negative emotions should be channeled into a burst of energy to get the team working together again. A captain will not let a bad situation get the best of him, and his teammates will respect him for keeping his head in the game in the face of adversity.

Learns from Mistakes

Many players continue to try to the same technique over and over even when it isn’t working. They may become frustrated and unable to understand why they can’t get their plan to work. The right team captain knows that mistakes will be made and that he must adjust in order to overcome them. This ability to learn from mistakes is one of the strongest traits that a captain can show his team, and he must impart his knowledge to his teammates at every opportunity.

Whether it’s something as small as poor footing leading to an inconsequential turnover or a sloppy pass that leads to the game-ending goal for the other team, a good team captain is always analyzing his and others’ mistakes. This allows him to evaluate the cause of the problem and come up with a fix for it the next time it happens. It isn’t so much dwelling on mistakes as it is learning from them, and that is extremely important for any athlete. Even if his play caused a team to lose the championship game, he sees it as a learning experience that he can take into the next season.