Alflives Posted February 16, 2023 Share Posted February 16, 2023 2 minutes ago, Harold Drunken said: The first goal was weak definitely, the rest he didn't have much of a chance. And that’s exactly why JR kept saying from day one that our team wasn’t very good. It was Demko stealing wins. We have one D man. The rest are 6-9 guys. 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johngould21 Posted February 16, 2023 Share Posted February 16, 2023 2 hours ago, Timråfan said: Waith til Tocchets third season in you pass judgement. Now it’s tank/analyse and next year it will be a middle team and maybe sneak into playoff. Takeoff in his third season and with it being his contract year he will do a Horvat and maybe win the division. A 6 goal against average ain't going to work. I watched the last part of the third. They played hard, controlled the puck in the Rangers end, outshot the Rangers, but giving up 5 and an empty netter isn't a system. Silovs played well, I didn't see any goals against in the third other than the empty netter. This team needs a huge upgrade on d, the thing is, they don't grow on trees. I'll ask you, how are the Canucks going to acquire these players? There isn't one team in the league that's going to give the Canucks anything for Myers, OEL, Stillman, or Bear, other than a bag of pucks, and in Myers and OEL's cases, retention. The organization has a better system playing out in Abby, than the big team has. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harold Drunken Posted February 16, 2023 Share Posted February 16, 2023 Just now, Alflives said: And that’s exactly why JR kept saying from day one that our team wasn’t very good. It was Demko stealing wins. We have one D man. The rest are 6-9 guys. I was trying to convince people before this season (who were saying this was a playoff team yadda yadda) that Demko single handily stole many of those games for us down the stretch last year. He hid a lot of this teams deficiencies, he faced a TON of pucks last year and played lights out. Without stellar goaltending, this is what you get with this team. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted February 16, 2023 Share Posted February 16, 2023 1 minute ago, johngould21 said: A 6 goal against average ain't going to work. I watched the last part of the third. They played hard, controlled the puck in the Rangers end, outshot the Rangers, but giving up 5 and an empty netter isn't a system. Silovs played well, I didn't see any goals against in the third other than the empty netter. This team needs a huge upgrade on d, the thing is, they don't grow on trees. I'll ask you, how are the Canucks going to acquire these players? There isn't one team in the league that's going to give the Canucks anything for Myers, OEL, Stillman, or Bear, other than a bag of pucks, and in Myers and OEL's cases, retention. The organization has a better system playing out in Abby, than the big team has. We will buyout OEL. Myers will be traded at the 2024 TDL. Bear’s contract ends this summer. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timråfan Posted February 16, 2023 Share Posted February 16, 2023 2 minutes ago, johngould21 said: A 6 goal against average ain't going to work. I watched the last part of the third. They played hard, controlled the puck in the Rangers end, outshot the Rangers, but giving up 5 and an empty netter isn't a system. Silovs played well, I didn't see any goals against in the third other than the empty netter. This team needs a huge upgrade on d, the thing is, they don't grow on trees. I'll ask you, how are the Canucks going to acquire these players? There isn't one team in the league that's going to give the Canucks anything for Myers, OEL, Stillman, or Bear, other than a bag of pucks, and in Myers and OEL's cases, retention. The organization has a better system playing out in Abby, than the big team has. The big team doesn’t need to do anything great now. Regarding the D, either draft it with the picks now or trade both 1st for a kings ransom where we get a1st RHD and offload OEL at the same time. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanucksJay Posted February 16, 2023 Share Posted February 16, 2023 3 minutes ago, Harold Drunken said: I was trying to convince people before this season (who were saying this was a playoff team yadda yadda) that Demko single handily stole many of those games for us down the stretch last year. He hid a lot of this teams deficiencies, he faced a TON of pucks last year and played lights out. Without stellar goaltending, this is what you get with this team. Yeah I definitely gave our guys too much credit. Now I see how difficult it is to get quality top 4 D men. Sakic did a masterful job getting a guy like Toews for a 2nd. We obviously didn't realize what we had in Tanev and let him go for free. The work required seems daunting... We need to upgrade on OEL, Myers AND add another top 4. OEL might be able to play 4D but his lack of foot speed is starting to really Show. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jyu Posted February 16, 2023 Share Posted February 16, 2023 4 minutes ago, johngould21 said: A 6 goal against average ain't going to work. I watched the last part of the third. They played hard, controlled the puck in the Rangers end, outshot the Rangers, but giving up 5 and an empty netter isn't a system. Silovs played well, I didn't see any goals against in the third other than the empty netter. This team needs a huge upgrade on d, the thing is, they don't grow on trees. I'll ask you, how are the Canucks going to acquire these players? There isn't one team in the league that's going to give the Canucks anything for Myers, OEL, Stillman, or Bear, other than a bag of pucks, and in Myers and OEL's cases, retention. The organization has a better system playing out in Abby, than the big team has. For sure. It will be a long process. Defence needs to be upgraded slowly over time, drafting them and filling your pipeline over the years and hopefully one or two will pan out and take the roster spot away from the underperforming guys already in the roster. And once you have them, you don't trade them away, especially the right handed ones unless they leave via free agency or they underperform. We didn't follow the process and we are paying for it now. Well, I guess we could always get lucky and draft a guy like Makar or Karlsson or maybe get extremely lucky and draft a Shea Weber in the 2nd round 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sassbs Posted February 16, 2023 Share Posted February 16, 2023 8 minutes ago, Harold Drunken said: I was trying to convince people before this season (who were saying this was a playoff team yadda yadda) that Demko single handily stole many of those games for us down the stretch last year. He hid a lot of this teams deficiencies, he faced a TON of pucks last year and played lights out. Without stellar goaltending, this is what you get with this team. Truthfully, this has been the case since luu. luu, Schneider, markstrom all single handedly stole games we had no business winning. I knew this team was a disaster when they had to rely on goalies to win. Solid teams rely on them occasionally. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grandmaster Posted February 16, 2023 Share Posted February 16, 2023 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Alflives said: We will buyout OEL. Myers will be traded at the 2024 TDL. Bear’s contract ends this summer. Half our defence gone by year end. Good riddance. If Bear signs I’m ok with a 2M extension, I’m ok with that. Nothing more. Edited February 16, 2023 by grandmaster 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jyu Posted February 16, 2023 Share Posted February 16, 2023 2 minutes ago, CanucksJay said: Yeah I definitely gave our guys too much credit. Now I see how difficult it is to get quality top 4 D men. Sakic did a masterful job getting a guy like Toews for a 2nd. We obviously didn't realize what we had in Tanev and let him go for free. The work required seems daunting... We need to upgrade on OEL, Myers AND add another top 4. OEL might be able to play 4D but his lack of foot speed is starting to really Show. OEL's footspeed makes him a 3LD at this point. We need a 2LD between Hughes and OEL. I think it's doable, you can find one via free agency sometimes. But I'd say we are not in a rush to find one. We aren't ready to contend now anyways so having OEL there and we lose some games this season and next season, that's fine by me. Bigger problem is the right side. We need 1RD-2RD-Bear. Schenn with Hughes works for the time being. So we need at least a 2RD. Severson is a free agent. I have a feeling that they will try to sign him. Hughes-Schenn OEL-Severson Dermott-Bear Stillman Still not amazing... but complete overhaul will take some time and we need to draft a stud RHD. The bottom 6 also needs upgrade. And with the right upgrades, we should be able to bring down our GAA. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johngould21 Posted February 16, 2023 Share Posted February 16, 2023 2 minutes ago, jyu said: OEL's footspeed makes him a 3LD at this point. We need a 2LD between Hughes and OEL. I think it's doable, you can find one via free agency sometimes. But I'd say we are not in a rush to find one. We aren't ready to contend now anyways so having OEL there and we lose some games this season and next season, that's fine by me. Bigger problem is the right side. We need 1RD-2RD-Bear. Schenn with Hughes works for the time being. So we need at least a 2RD. Severson is a free agent. I have a feeling that they will try to sign him. Hughes-Schenn OEL-Severson Dermott-Bear Stillman Still not amazing... but complete overhaul will take some time and we need to draft a stud RHD. The bottom 6 also needs upgrade. And with the right upgrades, we should be able to bring down our GAA. Ok, so let's say they sign him for $4M, $5M, or whatever the going rate for D is, and he can't play Tocchets' socalled system? I'm sorry, I don't see any system from this coaching staff. Oh, btw, has anyone seen #6, he seems to have disappeared off the face of the earth. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grumpyone Posted February 16, 2023 Share Posted February 16, 2023 9 hours ago, -Vintage Canuck- said: with our team Drs.....both are on LTIR for life 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post grandmaster Posted February 16, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted February 16, 2023 35 minutes ago, Harold Drunken said: Canucks blueline to Silovs before the game...."Hey Arturs -just a heads up, you're on your own tonight..ok? Good luck." Regardless of the result, it was a good experience for the kid and he was happy to be here. Something for him to strive for next year as potentially being a back up for Dem…. 1 1 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grandmaster Posted February 16, 2023 Share Posted February 16, 2023 26 minutes ago, grumpyone said: with our team Drs.....both are on LTIR for life That would be a dream actually (for OEL). A gift from the hockey gods. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JayDangles Posted February 16, 2023 Share Posted February 16, 2023 34 minutes ago, grumpyone said: with our team Drs.....both are on LTIR for life Here's hoping. I've been quite disappointed with Lazar this year. Definitely not the grinder he was made out to be. Don't care about goal scoring, but I remember his first game back from injury earlier in the year, he had a record 6 hits in the first period. He wanted to make an impression and hit everything in sight. That lasted 1 whole game, then he was back to glancing blows and fly bys. As for OEL, get him on LTIR! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted February 16, 2023 Share Posted February 16, 2023 4 hours ago, dougieL said: The way Kuzmenko dummied Adam Fox on the Garland goal was actually pretty funny Can't be. He's a Norris winner. Only our garbage D get made fools of by quick, skilled forwards. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grandmaster Posted February 16, 2023 Share Posted February 16, 2023 I was looking for an update on OEL and came across this on Twitter, lol: 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post BarnBurner Posted February 16, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted February 16, 2023 28 minutes ago, grandmaster said: Regardless of the result, it was a good experience for the kid and he was happy to be here. Something for him to strive for next year as potentially being a back up for Dem…. I agree. All this chatter about ruining his confidence is absurd. If that's all it takes, than he was never going to amount to much, anyway. You would believe, anyone on the cusp of making the NHL would thrive on the chance. It was a great opportunity, and he did well. It gives him an experience to build upon. 1 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post JayDangles Posted February 16, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted February 16, 2023 (edited) 4 hours ago, canuckleheads fan said: No, really, Tocchet sucks as a HC, he's never had any real success anywhere, and he was a massive failure in Tampa. How do you not make the playoffs with the roster they were icing when he was there? Stamkos, St. Louis, Lecavalier all playing 82 games and he missed the playoffs, and his successor takes that same team to the third round? He sucks! Give it a rest. If you expected Tocchet to come in and turn this team around in 7 games thats on you. He cant wave a magic wand and all of a sudden OEL is 6 years younger, and Myers remembers how to pivot and Schenn gains 25% foot speed. Systems can only do so much. The team is actually giving up less odd man rushes believe it or not. We are also seeing shot blocking and hard backchecks for the first time this season. Baby steps. Tocchets not wrong, this team has to re-learn how to do basics before they can put it all together. If you don't have patience over 7 games, you might want to suspend your cdc account for the next 3 years. Edited February 16, 2023 by JayDangles 2 2 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JayDangles Posted February 16, 2023 Share Posted February 16, 2023 6 minutes ago, BarnBurner said: I agree. All this chatter about ruining his confidence is absurd. If that's all it takes, than he was never going to amount to much, anyway. You would believe, anyone on the cusp of making the NHL would thrive on the chance. It was a great opportunity, and he did well. It gives him an experience to build upon. This game was nothing like DiPietro vs San Jose a few years back where he got lit up hard. Silovs played a very good first game. No one, including him expected us to win. He did just as good as our "veteran" back up goalies would have done, in his very first game. He probably has more confidence now than he did before the game, because he faced his fears, he faced the Rags, and he didnt embarass himself. Thats a positive for a young goalie 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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