iinatcc Posted April 15, 2023 Share Posted April 15, 2023 Imagine if the Penguins picked Toews over Jordan Staal. They would have Crosby, Malkin, and Toews in the middle. That would have made the Penguins a dynasty winning 5 or 6 cups 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Arrogant Worms Posted August 17, 2023 Share Posted August 17, 2023 (edited) Edited August 17, 2023 by The Arrogant Worms Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IBatch Posted August 17, 2023 Share Posted August 17, 2023 In other words, he's retiring. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Citizen Erased Posted August 17, 2023 Share Posted August 17, 2023 It’s difficult to have any sympathy for anyone involved in the Kyle Beach scandal. It’s a complete 360 for someone like Brandon Sutter, who many Canuck fans would say he was no good for us, but at the same time have no qualms with his character because he’s actually a good person. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Heffy Posted August 17, 2023 Share Posted August 17, 2023 13 minutes ago, Citizen Erased said: It’s difficult to have any sympathy for anyone involved in the Kyle Beach scandal. It’s a complete 360 for someone like Brandon Sutter, who many Canuck fans would say he was no good for us, but at the same time have no qualms with his character because he’s actually a good person. Wouldn't want to be the GM who brought in a locker room cancer like this waste of oxygen. Imagine having a guy who was ok with having you raped for a teammate. He's done and good riddance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
250Integra Posted August 17, 2023 Share Posted August 17, 2023 31 minutes ago, Citizen Erased said: It’s difficult to have any sympathy for anyone involved in the Kyle Beach scandal. It’s a complete 360 for someone like Brandon Sutter, who many Canuck fans would say he was no good for us, but at the same time have no qualms with his character because he’s actually a good person. Didn't Sutter tell Goldobin or one of the Canucks rookies at the time to grow some balls though? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gnarcore Posted August 17, 2023 Share Posted August 17, 2023 50 minutes ago, Citizen Erased said: It’s difficult to have any sympathy for anyone involved in the Kyle Beach scandal. It’s a complete 360 for someone like Brandon Sutter, who many Canuck fans would say he was no good for us, but at the same time have no qualms with his character because he’s actually a good person. Sutter had his moments. Just our luck that he got injury prone here but was solid before. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devron Posted August 17, 2023 Share Posted August 17, 2023 59 minutes ago, Gnarcore said: Sutter had his moments. Just our luck that he got injury prone here but was solid before. Yeah he was like an iron man before he came to Van too. Sad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grumpyone Posted August 17, 2023 Share Posted August 17, 2023 so, is he taking 'time off' from hockey similar to Jordan taking time off to try baseball? the whole world knew that he was 'suspended' probably for gambling, but he took time off instead of the media crap show. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crabcakes Posted August 18, 2023 Share Posted August 18, 2023 (edited) 3 hours ago, Citizen Erased said: It’s difficult to have any sympathy for anyone involved in the Kyle Beach scandal. It’s a complete 360 for someone like Brandon Sutter, who many Canuck fans would say he was no good for us, but at the same time have no qualms with his character because he’s actually a good person. Do you think that's why there are no offers? Or is he just getting old? I read a lot of the Beach report when it came out and other than being a bit of a jerk, Toews and Beach had almost nothing to do with each other. Beach was a career minor leaguer and played zero games for the Hawks. He finished his career in Europe after essentially 5 seasons with the Icehogs. edit: Not condoning what happened to Beach. What happened is despicable and those involved should be punished. However these things aren't talked about by those involved and the Beach report concluded that only a handful of the top brass knew anything about it. Edited August 18, 2023 by Crabcakes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Citizen Erased Posted August 18, 2023 Share Posted August 18, 2023 1 minute ago, Crabcakes said: Do you think that's why there are no offers? Or is he just getting old? I read a lot of the Beach report when it came out and other than being a bit of a jerk, Toews and Beach had almost nothing to do with each other. Beach was a career minor leaguer and played zero games for the Hawks. He finished his career in Europe after essentially 5 seasons with the Icehogs. It’s possible. Like others have stated though, he was an apologist for the management group, definitely knew of the sexual abuse and was probably apart of the group of players harassing and bullying Beach afterwards. Even if not true, it’s probably suspected and teams will want to avoid any controversy and scandal by signing him. It really doesn’t matter though. He’s done as a player. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crabcakes Posted August 18, 2023 Share Posted August 18, 2023 1 minute ago, Citizen Erased said: It’s possible. Like others have stated though, he was an apologist for the management group, definitely knew of the sexual abuse and was probably apart of the group of players harassing and bullying Beach afterwards. Even if not true, it’s probably suspected and teams will want to avoid any controversy and scandal by signing him. It really doesn’t matter though. He’s done as a player. It's possible that some players knew. But nobody was talking after the fact. Was what happened at the the player level normal hazing? Because hazing has been part of the hockey culture. Or was there more to it? It's all pretty murky at this point. Anyhow, I think he's done too. He had a helluva career. Not the only jerk to ever lace em up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Citizen Erased Posted August 18, 2023 Share Posted August 18, 2023 22 minutes ago, Crabcakes said: It's possible that some players knew. But nobody was talking after the fact. Was what happened at the the player level normal hazing? Because hazing has been part of the hockey culture. Or was there more to it? It's all pretty murky at this point. Anyhow, I think he's done too. He had a helluva career. Not the only jerk to ever lace em up. I wouldn’t call it normal hazing. The players knew about the abuse and taunted Beach about it. Homophobic slurs were directed at him and I believe they gaslit him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Heffy Posted August 18, 2023 Share Posted August 18, 2023 3 minutes ago, Citizen Erased said: I wouldn’t call it normal hazing. The players knew about the abuse and taunted Beach about it. Homophobic slurs were directed at him and I believe they gaslit him. Exactly. Bottom line is that no one is going to want a locker room cancer like Toews anywhere near their young players. You don't bring in a fringe player who will disgrace your franchise with his mere presence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Citizen Erased Posted August 18, 2023 Share Posted August 18, 2023 3 hours ago, King Heffy said: Exactly. Bottom line is that no one is going to want a locker room cancer like Toews anywhere near their young players. You don't bring in a fringe player who will disgrace your franchise with his mere presence. You know what’s truly horrible? If he was still a top 6 forward, a lot of teams would overlook or try to downplay what happened and then sign him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Citizen Erased Posted August 18, 2023 Share Posted August 18, 2023 7 hours ago, 250Integra said: Didn't Sutter tell Goldobin or one of the Canucks rookies at the time to grow some balls though? I never heard anything about that. I would be disappointed if true though. Still doesn’t compare to Toews however. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
250Integra Posted August 18, 2023 Share Posted August 18, 2023 9 hours ago, Citizen Erased said: I never heard anything about that. I would be disappointed if true though. Still doesn’t compare to Toews however. "Desjardins’ all-stick-no-carrot approach seemed to open up the door for his veterans to chime in, with Brandon Sutter notably calling out Goldobin for his play away from the puck. “You have to have the want to get the puck to go into the corners and the hard areas,” said Sutter. “To do that, you have to have grit and balls and he has to find that.”" https://www.vancouverisawesome.com/courier-archive/news/brandon-sutters-balls-and-a-culture-of-negativity-3049700 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shiznak Posted August 19, 2023 Share Posted August 19, 2023 22 hours ago, Citizen Erased said: You know what’s truly horrible? If he was still a top 6 forward, a lot of teams would overlook or try to downplay what happened and then sign him. He scored 31 points in 53 games. Pretty sure that’s top 6 production. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Citizen Erased Posted August 19, 2023 Share Posted August 19, 2023 40 minutes ago, shiznak said: He scored 31 points in 53 games. Pretty sure that’s top 6 production. In which universe? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shiznak Posted August 19, 2023 Share Posted August 19, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Citizen Erased said: In which universe? That’s 45-55 points in a full season. Toews would have been 6th in scoring on the Knights and Panthers, if he played a full season. Edited August 19, 2023 by shiznak Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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