[Report] Alex Pietrangelo suspended 1 game

[PhillipBlunt]

So did Evander Kane get a game for the cross check to Pietrangelo’s face in game 3? 

[NZCanuck]

DOPS is a joke. I’m sorry but that’s a blatant attempt to injure and Pietrangelo shouldn’t be lacing up again in the playoffs. The fact that Nurse gets the same suspension for instigating shows how bad the discrepancy is. 

[hammertime]

Skating the length of the ice to attempt to break your stick on a guy is completely predatory. Throw the book at him. 

 

 

 

 

[NZCanuck]

15 minutes ago, hammertime said:

Skating the length of the ice to attempt to break your stick on a guy is completely predatory. Throw the book at him. 

 

 

 

 

That’s very different to an axe chop with both hands at the top of your stick. 
 

[FaninMex]

3 hours ago, grandmaster said:

According to Elliott Friedman, several executives around NHL now questioning the draft as being fixed. 
 

 

Of course it was rigged. We all knew Chicago was going to win the draft.

[D-Money]

Meh, it looked a lot worse than it actually was. And this is coming from a guy that prefers Edmonton to win.

 

Also, I'm pretty sure the league considers the effect on a team. Losing Pietrangelo for 1 game is actually more punitive for his team than losing Bunting for 3 or even Rome for 4. People say it should be equal, but that is also kind of silly to say.

[Toews]

21 minutes ago, D-Money said:

Meh, it looked a lot worse than it actually was. And this is coming from a guy that prefers Edmonton to win.

 

Also, I'm pretty sure the league considers the effect on a team. Losing Pietrangelo for 1 game is actually more punitive for his team than losing Bunting for 3 or even Rome for 4. People say it should be equal, but that is also kind of silly to say.

The whole thing turns into a complete farce when you create a tiered justice system. You are essentially enabling certain players to take liberties. 

[Rabbit]

One game is a joke.

[D-Money]

3 hours ago, Toews said:

The whole thing turns into a complete farce when you create a tiered justice system. You are essentially enabling certain players to take liberties. 

Not really. It's kind of juvenile to say 'a game is a game', regardless of the player.

 

A suspension is, in effect, a fine. Pietrangelo makes $47,600 per day. Bunting makes $5,140 per day. Financially, a 1-game suspension for AP is a far larger "fine" than a 3-game suspension for MB. Money is different in the playoffs, but the "cost" for AP's team to be missing their top defenseman(/player?) for a game is very high. It's much more of a hit to a team than losing a 3rd-pairing/depth guy like Rome for 4 games.

 

And really, what did Pietrangelo do? He smacked his stick across Draisaitl's chest protector (and arms, but even if it missed the padding, the fact it was across both arms and the chest spread out the impact). It was stupid and reckless, and deserved a suspension because of optics, and how close he was to hitting Leon somewhere that could actually hurt him. But I tend to think Pietrangelo knew exactly where he was hitting him, and could have done far more damage if that was his intention. It looked bad - but the actual effect and intention wasn't really that bad. A game seems pretty fair, IMO.

Edited May 12, 2023 by D-Money

[dougieL]

8 hours ago, Warhippy said:

Suspensions in the 2023 playoffs.

 

Makar 1 game interference:  https://www.nhl.com/video/makar-suspended-one-playoff-game/t-277440360/c-16839457

Bunting 3 games illegal check to head:  https://www.nhl.com/video/bunting-suspended-three-games/t-277440360/c-16715019

Pietrangelo 1 game Slashing:  https://www.nhl.com/video/pietrangelo-suspended-1-game/t-277350912/c-17134225

Nurse 1 game instigator:  https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/article/oilers-nurse-suspended-one-game-for-instigator-penalty-in-game-4-vs-golden-knights/

 

Out of ALL of those, the ONLY one that was outside of the play, away from the play 100% shows intent to harm and uses the stick as a weapon is Pietrangelo.  The justifications given by the league are at best complete garbage, at worst...bush league match fixing.

 

Makar's was pretty outside of the play as well.

[D-Money]

8 hours ago, Warhippy said:

Suspensions in the 2023 playoffs.

 

Makar 1 game interference:  https://www.nhl.com/video/makar-suspended-one-playoff-game/t-277440360/c-16839457

Bunting 3 games illegal check to head:  https://www.nhl.com/video/bunting-suspended-three-games/t-277440360/c-16715019

Pietrangelo 1 game Slashing:  https://www.nhl.com/video/pietrangelo-suspended-1-game/t-277350912/c-17134225

Nurse 1 game instigator:  https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/article/oilers-nurse-suspended-one-game-for-instigator-penalty-in-game-4-vs-golden-knights/

 

Out of ALL of those, the ONLY one that was outside of the play, away from the play 100% shows intent to harm and uses the stick as a weapon is Pietrangelo.  The justifications given by the league are at best complete garbage, at worst...bush league match fixing.

 

Nurse's was automatic, so no sense comparing.

 

Makar and Bunting injured the guys. McCann just came back. Cernak might still be out if Tampa had advanced.

 

Draisaitl is fine, and indicated such immediately after. So how is this worse than those two?

 

Edited May 12, 2023 by D-Money

[timberz21]

So the lesson here for Nurse is, instead of trying to fight someone in the last 5 minutes next time, just swing your stick with 2 hands near his head instead.  Same results and you don't get the risk of being punched in the face.

[Boudrias]

5 hours ago, D-Money said:

Not really. It's kind of juvenile to say 'a game is a game', regardless of the player.

 

A suspension is, in effect, a fine. Pietrangelo makes $47,600 per day. Bunting makes $5,140 per day. Financially, a 1-game suspension for AP is a far larger "fine" than a 3-game suspension for MB. Money is different in the playoffs, but the "cost" for AP's team to be missing their top defenseman(/player?) for a game is very high. It's much more of a hit to a team than losing a 3rd-pairing/depth guy like Rome for 4 games.

 

And really, what did Pietrangelo do? He smacked his stick across Draisaitl's chest protector (and arms, but even if it missed the padding, the fact it was across both arms and the chest spread out the impact). It was stupid and reckless, and deserved a suspension because of optics, and how close he was to hitting Leon somewhere that could actually hurt him. But I tend to think Pietrangelo knew exactly where he was hitting him, and could have done far more damage if that was his intention. It looked bad - but the actual effect and intention wasn't really that bad. A game seems pretty fair, IMO.

How do players get broken wrists? Pietro had no idea what Draisaitl might have done to try and ward off the blow. If he raised his arms it could have resulted in a far more serious injury. I don't have a problem with the Nurse suspension but Pietro should have got at least 3 games. Intent to injure. 

What is the real loss to Vegas by a 1 game suspension? The cold reality is that making plays like this can make a lot of sense based on such a light suspension. 

 

Makar gets 1 game after cross checking McCann into the boards. McCann, Seattle's top scorer, is lost for what 6 games? What value to their playoff success is lost by Seattle?  

 

The real irony is that legit hockey hits like the Dumba hit results in 5 min major and ejection because it was a huge hit. All about optics. 

[RUPERTKBD]

6 hours ago, D-Money said:

Not really. It's kind of juvenile to say 'a game is a game', regardless of the player.

 

A suspension is, in effect, a fine. Pietrangelo makes $47,600 per day. Bunting makes $5,140 per day. Financially, a 1-game suspension for AP is a far larger "fine" than a 3-game suspension for MB. Money is different in the playoffs, but the "cost" for AP's team to be missing their top defenseman(/player?) for a game is very high. It's much more of a hit to a team than losing a 3rd-pairing/depth guy like Rome for 4 games.

 

And really, what did Pietrangelo do? He smacked his stick across Draisaitl's chest protector (and arms, but even if it missed the padding, the fact it was across both arms and the chest spread out the impact). It was stupid and reckless, and deserved a suspension because of optics, and how close he was to hitting Leon somewhere that could actually hurt him. But I tend to think Pietrangelo knew exactly where he was hitting him, and could have done far more damage if that was his intention. It looked bad - but the actual effect and intention wasn't really that bad. A game seems pretty fair, IMO.

Really?

 

You don't see the potential harm in a 2 handed slash across the arms of a guy who makes his living as an elite shooter?

 

The fact that this action earned the same length of suspension as Nurse instigating a fight with a willing opponent, because it happened in the last few minutes of a game, is ridiculous.....but as I said in the other thread, this was expected. The league loves to "even things up" whenever there is a somewhat plausible reason to do so....

[RUPERTKBD]

5 hours ago, D-Money said:

Nurse's was automatic, so no sense comparing.

 

Makar and Bunting injured the guys. McCann just came back. Cernak might still be out if Tampa had advanced.

 

Draisaitl is fine, and indicated such immediately after. So how is this worse than those two?

 

Because you're not supposed to be punishing the result....you're supposed to be punishing the intent....

[nux_win]

Dartboard justice strikes again.  GCG!

[bishopshodan]

46 minutes ago, RUPERTKBD said:

Because you're not supposed to be punishing the result....you're supposed to be punishing the intent....

Have they ever punished intent?

 

It's always injury. Look at the Bertuzzi/Moore saga....how many gloved punches are delivered in a season?

 

The NHL goes by no harm = no real foul. I wish it was different but it's not. 

[D-Money]

1 hour ago, RUPERTKBD said:

Because you're not supposed to be punishing the result....you're supposed to be punishing the intent....

I mentioned intent earlier. It seems reasonable to believe that if Pietrangelo actually intended to injure Draisaitl, he would have actually injured him. He is an elite player, who makes his living controlling his stick.

[PhillipBlunt]

1 minute ago, D-Money said:

I mentioned intent earlier. It seems reasonable to believe that if Pietrangelo actually intended to injure Draisaitl, he would have actually injured him. He is an elite player, who makes his living controlling his stick.

One game for each player is fair. Everyone seems to be glossing over Kane's cross check to Pietrangelo's face.

[D-Money]

1 hour ago, RUPERTKBD said:

Really?

 

You don't see the potential harm in a 2 handed slash across the arms of a guy who makes his living as an elite shooter?

 

The fact that this action earned the same length of suspension as Nurse instigating a fight with a willing opponent, because it happened in the last few minutes of a game, is ridiculous.....but as I said in the other thread, this was expected. The league loves to "even things up" whenever there is a somewhat plausible reason to do so....

I think the Nurse suspension is stupid. But they put that in the rules to prevent the ends of these games going off the rails, as they often did in the past. It is what it is.

 

And yes I agree there is a tendency to want to "even things up". They probably looked at this situation and thought it was easy to wrap it up in a bow by giving Pietrangelo the same suspension as Nurse. But at the same time, I understand why AP didn't necessarily deserve a longer suspension.