chon derry Posted June 21, 2023 Share Posted June 21, 2023 3 minutes ago, Master Mind said: I wasn't comparing the value of each trade, but rather the similarities between the buyers. I'm glad Hronek sat out for as long as he did. Hopefully he's fully healthy when next season gets going. I take a ton of criticism on here for being right about many of our moves before others realize the mistakes that were made. I just don't have time for people who are going to complain about my thoughts without providing reasonable counter points. Criticism in a good debate is a deflection. if both sides have valid points, Criticism is unnecessary and starts looking like a weak defense 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Crossbar Posted June 21, 2023 Share Posted June 21, 2023 12 minutes ago, DrJockitch said: True, I agree at this point. However, it was through a lot of unforced errors by Benning and the current group that got us to that point of cap desperation. Agreed. I just couldn't see this management allowing themselves to be handcuffed by Benning, unable to make the team better. Had to be done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bh90 Posted June 21, 2023 Share Posted June 21, 2023 19 minutes ago, Salacious Crumb said: How many missteps has Yzerman made as an exec? Maybe see how Hronek plays next season before we get too far ahead of ourselves. There's no question Yzerman has made some great moves as a GM but, if we are only focusing on good moves than why are we not giving the same benefit of the doubt to JR and PA from their days in Pittsburgh and Carolina? Yzerman has also made a lot of bad trades and contract signings and his draft record in the top 3 rounds as a GM is actually not very good. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted June 21, 2023 Share Posted June 21, 2023 38 minutes ago, Salacious Crumb said: How many missteps has Yzerman made as an exec? Maybe see how Hronek plays next season before we get too far ahead of ourselves. Yzerboy passed on Hughes and traded away his best D man (who is only 25). Those are two massive mistakes. He had to hold a press conference at the end of this last season explaining g his poor judgement. He went so far as to say the mistakes are on him. Yzerboy got the boot from TBay for doing a middling job and the same will happen soon in Detroit. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeremyCuddles Posted June 21, 2023 Share Posted June 21, 2023 55 minutes ago, Dr. Crossbar said: Agreed. I just couldn't see this management allowing themselves to be handcuffed by Benning, unable to make the team better. Had to be done. They handcuffed themselves by signing Mikheyev and maybe with the Boeser contract. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Crossbar Posted June 21, 2023 Share Posted June 21, 2023 Just now, N7Nucks said: They handcuffed themselves by signing Mikheyev and maybe with the Boeser contract. Sort of but nothing like the OEL contract. This season will tell the tale on both Mikheyev and Boeser ... if he's still here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted June 21, 2023 Share Posted June 21, 2023 3 minutes ago, N7Nucks said: They handcuffed themselves by signing Mikheyev and maybe with the Boeser contract. Mik was a fantastic signing. He’s a great player. Big, strong, fast, skilled, hyper compete. He’s costing less than Garland another of the Benning stains. We had little choice with Brock. We actually got him at a good number consider the contract Benning made with him.Benning 1 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeremyCuddles Posted June 21, 2023 Share Posted June 21, 2023 8 minutes ago, Dr. Crossbar said: Sort of but nothing like the OEL contract. This season will tell the tale on both Mikheyev and Boeser ... if he's still here. Mikheyev is a solid middle 6 guy, not knockin' him as a player. But we did not get better by signing him. He did not fill a need. All adding him did was hinder cap flexibility. At a time management was literally bitching about cap flexibility. If we don't have him, teams don't hold us over the fire over Garland's contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coryberg Posted June 21, 2023 Share Posted June 21, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Alflives said: Yzerboy passed on Hughes 1 hour ago, SniperSingh said: Zadina over Hughes those are some big misses That was Kenny Holland Edited June 21, 2023 by coryberg 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted June 21, 2023 Share Posted June 21, 2023 1 hour ago, N7Nucks said: Mikheyev is a solid middle 6 guy, not knockin' him as a player. But we did not get better by signing him. He did not fill a need. All adding him did was hinder cap flexibility. At a time management was literally bitching about cap flexibility. If we don't have him, teams don't hold us over the fire over Garland's contract. I disagree. We needed Mik (we could use another 1-2 of him in fact). Good, two way fowards with size and speed are our next biggest hole after top 4 D and 3C (who should also be a good 2 way forward with size and speed). The problem was the combination of extending Miller/Boeser and/or not moving Garland, ahead of it. You can't leave the roster the same, with the same holes, and expect the team to improve. We needed Mik (or players like him), and still do. Would have been better to clear the cap first. As for Hronek, I peg him as a good 2B/3A (and young enough to potentially become a 2A). Either way, certainly good enough to carry our 2nd pair after Hughes. As for the rebuild/retool methodology debate... I was all for a much DEEPER retool. But CLEARLY, that's not the method management has chosen. Bemoaning good moves that don't fit your preferred methodology ("royal" you N7, not just YOU ), but DOES fit theirs... just looks like crying over spilled milk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RWJC Posted June 21, 2023 Share Posted June 21, 2023 With Ethan Bear needing shoulder surgery, it is no longer a guarantee that the Canucks will tender the blueliner a qualifying offer next week, reports CHEK’s Rick Dhaliwal (Twitter link). Bear is owed a $2.3MM qualifier but is set to miss at least the first couple of months of the season. With cap space still at somewhat of a premium for Vancouver, that might be too high of a price tag for their liking. Meanwhile, Dhaliwal adds that the Canucks are working on a new contract for pending UFA defenseman Noah Juulsen and have reached out with an offer to pending UFA rearguard Kyle Burroughs. As for goalie Collin Delia, the door isn’t closed on a return but the odds of him re-signing appear to be dropping. Also from Dhaliwal (Twitter link), he recently updated Tanner Pearson’s situation. The winger has now undergone seven surgeries as a result of his wrist injury and it remains to be seen if he’ll be able to return to the ice. The NHLPA indicated back in January that they were looking intohow Pearson’s injury was handled and the continued uncertainty can’t be helping things. Pearson has one year left on his deal which carries a $3.25MM AAV. At this point, it looks like he’ll at least be starting next season on LTIR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KKnight Posted June 21, 2023 Share Posted June 21, 2023 2 hours ago, Alflives said: Mik was a fantastic signing. He’s a great player. Big, strong, fast, skilled, hyper compete. He’s costing less than Garland another of the Benning stains. We had little choice with Brock. We actually got him at a good number consider the contract Benning made with him.Benning Mikheyev has proven to be an all situation player. Brings size, speed and he's excellent with Pete/Kuzmenko. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canucks Curse Posted June 21, 2023 Share Posted June 21, 2023 UFAs david Kampf 2.2x 3 yrs Barbashev 4.5x4 yrs schenn 1.25x 2 yrs full NMC They use 2024 1st + Hogz to get another young top 4 d man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazzle Posted June 21, 2023 Share Posted June 21, 2023 5 hours ago, Alflives said: Yzerboy passed on Hughes and traded away his best D man (who is only 25). Those are two massive mistakes. He had to hold a press conference at the end of this last season explaining g his poor judgement. He went so far as to say the mistakes are on him. Yzerboy got the boot from TBay for doing a middling job and the same will happen soon in Detroit. That's objectively wrong. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuck73_3 Posted June 21, 2023 Share Posted June 21, 2023 6 hours ago, Master Mind said: Why should I continue wasting time with someone who is willfully ignorant and can't handle any criticism of management's moves? The only one in here wilfully ignorant is yourself wadr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeremyCuddles Posted June 21, 2023 Share Posted June 21, 2023 44 minutes ago, Dazzle said: That's objectively wrong. We don't deal in facts here #onlycareaboutcanucks #whyareyoutryingtomakesense #lieaboutstuffwithusplease 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iinatcc Posted June 21, 2023 Share Posted June 21, 2023 6 hours ago, Canucks Curse said: UFAs david Kampf 2.2x 3 yrs Barbashev 4.5x4 yrs schenn 1.25x 2 yrs full NMC They use 2024 1st + Hogz to get another young top 4 d man From what I hear Barvashev probably going to demand 5+ million with that term. Either that or 4.5 x 6 yrs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IBatch Posted June 21, 2023 Share Posted June 21, 2023 12 hours ago, Master Mind said: Pick is as good as gone? Look at the Hurricanes model. One of the best defenses in the league, and have a strong prospect pool. They got the pillars of that defense through mid picks. It's definitely possible to get franchise changing players beyond the 1st round. CAR also missed the playoffs 9 years in a row. They suffered long enough to get back to relevancy. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IBatch Posted June 21, 2023 Share Posted June 21, 2023 (edited) 12 hours ago, Salacious Crumb said: How many missteps has Yzerman made as an exec? Maybe see how Hronek plays next season before we get too far ahead of ourselves. Yep. Yzerman is going to find out it's a totally different ball of wax in DET, then it was for him in TB. Going from a top team heading into its best seasons, to one the former greatest GM the league had for 20 years, Holland who couldn't rebuild after all that winning. Yzerman didn't have an EP or QHs to start with. Larkin (our Horvat), Bertuzzi (Hollands good pick from way back when), and some mediocre guys. DET and VAN entered their rebuild years at the same time. Do think he's got the patience and the owners backing, to keep Detroit floundering until they see it come together. Not sure how long that's going to take though. Edit: Yzerman is doing his 5th draft now ... he's about to hit the half decade mark for drafting in Detroit. Even though we are ahead of them in our competitive cycle's, I wouldn't bet against them ending up with the better team. If things fop the next two seasons, see us trading EP and QHs and starting all over. So those on this site, that like that rebuild model (a lot of GMs do not and would prefer cores that come up one after another like we did with the WCE and Sedin era), you might get still get your wish. Personally still like to see them get this team to the post season, to see what we really got. Demko at the top of his game, well this is a better team then the one we went into the bubble with, or should be after they add another top four D and likely a 3C. Edited June 21, 2023 by IBatch 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mll Posted June 21, 2023 Share Posted June 21, 2023 11 hours ago, Alflives said: Yzerboy passed on Hughes and traded away his best D man (who is only 25). Those are two massive mistakes. He had to hold a press conference at the end of this last season explaining g his poor judgement. He went so far as to say the mistakes are on him. Yzerboy got the boot from TBay for doing a middling job and the same will happen soon in Detroit. The Zadina draft was still under Holland. Yzerman's 1st draft was the Seider/Podkolzin draft the year after. Yzerman didn't get the boot. Was his decision to go to Detroit. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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