Media Market needs to stop the anxiety ridden framing of every argument.

[Phat Fingers]

 

Sekeres is abusing the word Concern over and over in this clip.

 

as a person that understands the importance of language which is ironic cuz I am dyslexic as f**k, but it actually makes me more aware, but this guy sounds like my ex wife before I am about to go up a ladder to fix the roof…

 

She has concerns but I built the god dammed house and put the roof on in the first place and mounted a ladder and had fall arrest equipment on…. So she was only really concerned that I would come back down safely…. As I latter found out.

 

Sowing doubts is actually what it was and over time it eroded our understanding of what a real concern was and what a exaggeration was.

 

Constant exaggeration is a tactic in gaslighting and in law in in propaganda, with some truth and a lot of unscientific and or unspecific vague words like ‘Concerns’

’Fears’ and ‘If’.

 

Now it’s fear that Elias Pettersson will pull one of the rarest moves in hockey, pulling a Johnny Hockey and screwing over the team that drafted him, developed him and gave the wee fiend a top spot on the line up and built a line around him to make his career take off as much as he worked his ass off too.

Now how many players walk to FA?

 

How many super stars who are 1st line centres?

 

Statements like ‘It’s not like this team has ever prioritized Elias Pettersson…’ are beyond ridiculous.

 

he could have said that about Quinn Hughes after Luke Schenn was dealt and Hronek was on the shelf after the trade, but not after this draft and FA, so forget Podzkolsin, forget JT Miller, forget Kuzemenko, forget bringing the Sedins into the management and coaching and mentoring roles, forget getting totally Pro Coaching Bench with how many Cup Rings and or play off games between them, Tochett as a coach, Adam Foote and Gonchar?

 

Last season showed the division in the Locker Room,  with Bruce and Horvat having this love in when last year it JT an Bruce, with it causing friction.

 

Unless Bruce was directed by Alvin to ‘Pump and Dump’ but it looked like Bruce wanted JT to be the secondary second choice behind Elias and while Horvat scored a ton of goals, he was not a generator of offence with his line mates with a 2-1 goals to assist ratio last year.

 

it also made Horvat unaffordable for Vancouver to sign and was a change from last season where the offence went thru Elias to JT to Horvat.

 

but the idea that keeping Brock is not also for Elias, as they are close friends and Alvin addressing the long term deficit this team has had on Defence since the Mike Gillis days in terms of any development after Tanev.

 

Until Quinn Hughes.

 

So whether we have fixed the gaping hole on the back end, and over developed our forwards and forward depth much to benefit the offence and that is mostly Elias, it’s absurd to claim the club has rarely prioritized Pettersson.

 

Listen to Dwali, just don’t look at the shirt he is wearing it may cause a headache, and hear the interview with JP Barry, it was very chill and all parties understand that the deal is their to be made and they all needed to re charge and take whatever vacation time they have and come back in a month or 6 weeks.

 

Don Taylor was playing the role of Sekeres then and he quit pretty fast when it was just ignored by JP Barry after it was shot down the first time.

 

Next it will be ‘Is Demko healed or will he be as bad as the start to last season…?’ 
 

Which would make sense if Demko finished the year injured instead of playing very well, maybe too good as we slipped from 5th to 11th in the draft…

 

and he was injured and had corrective treatment and therapies in between his bad play, due to the injury that didn’t heal from the end of last season, and he returned look g like our Number One Goalie.

 

We bring in a solid number 5 D man that can bring a missing element to our game, being big and mean and able to back it up, while also having a scoring touch.

 

Then we bring in a solid veteran number 3 d man in Ian Cole and another depth d man with 500 games who is a local guy…

 

Plus add drafted players who are RHD and able to be effective players beyond their peers, especially Willander.

 

All positive steps and exactly the type of solid sound prudent moves we had to make after buying out OEL.

 

A+

 

Hronek was the big move and now the media are hand wringing about whether he will be ‘as advertised’ while only being stat watching, not having reviewed his play in Detroit and just on the 4 games or so he played solid sound minutes but was shut down for next season.

 

what is there to worry about,

 

go look at the YouTube Highlights and scouting videos and you’ll see he looks pretty decent and he was a sought after player by Alvin and Rutherford.

 

So if you are doubting Hronek and that deal without any reason too, your really just stirring the pot of controversy to drum up hits and listens and views.

 

Hey, it’s sports newscasting, so there is always an entertainment aspect and a tinge of theatre.

 

This is also what super shady news and or propaganda sites and media outlets spew all the time and we can do better and so can this crew.

 

Sekeres and Price are pretty good mostly and Patterson is fair enough, so is Dwali, if not a bit comic.

 

Just need to look optimistic in the middle of the off season about the unknown and really, if the Club and Bear have made a hand shake deal, which would truly benefit both sides in his unfortunately timed injury could be a silver lining scenario where it allowed Ian Cole to be added and have Soucy and Myers share the 4 spot minutes in a 4/5 role and not over work either unless the two streaky big guys get hot for a few games.

 

Alvin and the club view Bear as a legit 4th RHD guy, a capable defender and able to contribute on the score sheet too.

 

We have a much stronger team with Bear and it’s likely to go down with him being signed as the LTIR kicks in on Poolman.

 

The only fear, concern and if other than Bear atm I have about this off-season other than the usual ahl and or RFA players still left to work into the roster, is dumping a 4-6 million dollar surplus winger contract, or figuring out who can best step into a face off role and light duty as a Center cause we have some work left to make the cap and balance our top 4 lines… 

 

lol. 

 

 

 

 

[bishopshodan]

Damn ex-wife.

 

You don't need that ladder hassle.

 

[Dazzle]

Wasn't Sekeres the same dude that claimed Hughes was the guy with COVID, only for it to be debunked?

[Phat Fingers]

13 minutes ago, 6of1_halfdozenofother said:

Not saying that the philosophy is acceptable, but in many circles, controversy sells.  When a site's existence depends on hit rate and free marketing driven by "mentions" outside its main viewership, the easiest way to game the system is to say outrageous, controversial stuff to drive the traffic towards it.  They might not even believe half the drivel they spew, but as long as their ears hear "cha-ching" resulting from the traffic to their site, they might even be willing to throw their own kids under the bus. 

I know that in some ways this is a necessary evil of the sports news, especially in a market like Vancouver with no play offs.

 

Shit season for the media fisherman this year, in a boom or bust economy where the playoffs is so beneficial to the secondary media and needed promoters of the sports and entertainment industry in Vancouver.

 

I get the limits of the market, but it is really a rebranded Crypt Keeper style of ‘journalism’ with more hand wringing and less wit and venom.

 

Gallagher could but on a clinic and played the Heel better than most.

 

But save the fretting and anxiety worded stuff.

 

Things are getting harder out there, we have a right wing agenda that uses the same tactics and rhetoric in their political campaigns and adds with some Fox News level broadcasting styles know fully found on CTV news and others.

 

the heart bear style music at intros and using words like massive, exteme and one sided framing to only look at the worst possible outcome and make it appear like it is already happening.

 

When this year in BC and Canada and the world and legit fears that Putin may just blow up the largest Nuclear Power Station in Europe as hissing fit of spoiled child turned megalomaniac, I would prefer a more realistic and less hyperbolic and hysterical approach to non serous and life threatening situations.

 

 

[HorvatToBaertschi]

14 minutes ago, Dazzle said:

Wasn't Sekeres the same dude that claimed Hughes was the guy with COVID, only for it to be debunked?

He claimed Hughes was on IV, iirc

[DrJockitch]

Youtube is not a better way to get a feel for a player than stats.  

Watching highlights hardly gives a fulsome view of a player.

A+ for an offseason where we signed 2 depth Defenceman and a depth centre all of which need to play higher in the lineup than they have historically in the past after an 8 year buyout handicapping us.  That is setting the bar very, very low for an A+.

We do need to prioritize getting EP signed.  If can't or won't then we need to be ready for a sell off this season and actually take a run at a local superstar going into the draft instead of trying to do everything you can to avoid one when out of the playoffs one month into the season.

Edited July 6, 2023 by DrJockitch

[Maninthebox]

Modern media sells views, not news. Don't watch the salesmen. 

[NewbieCanuckFan]

James Dean reacts to a typical argument on the board:

 

 

[Gurn]

 

[Down by the River]

Guys like Sekeres might have journalism degrees, but they are not journalists. They don't travel with the team. They don't have real sources. They don't have any unique insight into the game. They exist purely to offer Stephen A. Smith style 'hot takes'. It is easier to just ignore anything guys like Sekeres have to say. There are plenty of media members who can offer a more critical POV while also at least having some basis for their opinion. Sekeres doesn't fall into that tier. 

[Mando27]

Drama generates the most clicks.

[DrJockitch]

It is the legacy of Tony Gallagher, a bitter little sports journalist who hated athletes and developed a very cynical brand and voice that carried on far too long in the Vancouver market.  

Ethically dubious as well.

[Gurn]

9 minutes ago, Down by the River said:

They don't travel with the team.

Even Ian McIntyre doesn't go on all the trips.

World of media, and everything else, is changing.

[Gurn]

5 minutes ago, DrJockitch said:

It is the legacy of Tony Gallagher, a bitter little sports journalist who hated athletes and developed a very cynical brand and voice that carried on far too long in the Vancouver market.  

Ethically dubious as well.

The crypt keeper was just following in Neil McCrea and "tiger' Al Davidson's footsteps.

 

[Hogs & Podz]

1 minute ago, Mando27 said:

Drama generates the most clicks.

Sad but true... I consciously choose not to click on suckass and lice.  Sadness me that their view seem to be increasing.  However that seems to correlate with them increasing the volume of content they puke out.  

Overall I just ignore... If I am curious, I'll turn volume on without clicking on their site, so that my view doesn't register as a viewing.  Regardless... Even if I watch a segment from time to time... Consistently, I'm disappointed with their show.  They just suck... So ungenuine.  Contempt is palatable with them.

[Phat Fingers]

29 minutes ago, DrJockitch said:

Youtube is not a better way to get a feel for a player than stats.  

Watching highlights hardly gives a fulsome view of a player.

A+ for an offseason where we signed 2 depth Defenceman and a depth centre all of which need to play higher in the lineup than they have historically in the past after an 8 year buyout handicapping us.  That is setting the bar very, very low for an A+.

We do need to prioritize getting EP signed.  If can't or won't then we need to be ready for a sell off this season and actually take a run at a local superstar going into the draft instead of trying to do everything you can to avoid one when out of the playoffs one month into the season.

Itch,

 

Of course it’s a low bar.

 

Not f**king up is the whole goal now with FA while addressing gaps in a lineup.

 

We have a Number 1 D man, the club believes that we have a number 2 guy and the number 4 guy got hurt,

 

Ian Cole is a 3rd guy in Tampa Bay, he is a 3rd on our roster, for 3 mil on one year.

 

we did not over spend and took on no deal over 3 years.

 

Whew.

 

what a relief and A+ for not screwing up the future for an FA…

 

priceless.

[Ghostsof1915]

1 minute ago, Gurn said:

The crypt keeper was just following in Neil McCrea and "tiger' Al Davidson's footsteps.

 

No Neil told it like it was. He would spout off from time to time. He was nothing like Crypt Keeper. Tony was technically a very good writer in terms of composition.

He was just in the wrong field. If he was a business reporter it would have suited him perfectly. Because the business side of hockey seemed to be the only part of the game

he had a solid grasp on. He never seemed to understand the ebb and flow of a game.

 

Media now and the other side Business and Politics play spin games They don't just stick to facts and let people decide. They just pander to the consumers prejudices.

Be it print/TV/etc. What makes me mad is politics seems to just be about image, and nothing gets done. And compromises don't get made to get deals done.

It's very much a Us vs. Them world. And we're going to fall apart unless we start to work together.

[Phat Fingers]

9 minutes ago, Gurn said:

The crypt keeper was just following in Neil McCrea and "tiger' Al Davidson's footsteps.

 

Don’t date yourself, 

 

I remember Mc Rea too, Botchfords ghost.

 

[Mando27]

12 minutes ago, Hogs & Podz said:

Sad but true... I consciously choose not to click on suckass and lice.  Sadness me that their view seem to be increasing.  However that seems to correlate with them increasing the volume of content they puke out.  

Overall I just ignore... If I am curious, I'll turn volume on without clicking on their site, so that my view doesn't register as a viewing.  Regardless... Even if I watch a segment from time to time... Consistently, I'm disappointed with their show.  They just suck... So ungenuine.  Contempt is palatable with them.

Yea I know I am part of the problem. I see the words Petey extension and I get curious . Usually I'll try to just stick to The Hockey Guy for any news on the Canucks.

[Gurn]

20 minutes ago, Phat Fingers said:

Don’t date yourself, 

Currently the only dates I get, so what am I to do?

Edited July 6, 2023 by Gurn