Media Market needs to stop the anxiety ridden framing of every argument.

[Gurn]

53 minutes ago, Ghostsof1915 said:

No Neil told it like it was

Naw, Neil told it like he saw it, not like it was.

edit to add- lot's of times Neil would call it as other people saw it- he would rarely even go to the games himself- as it conflicted with his morning start times on CKNW.

But everybody does that.

Media are not, and nobody is, immune to their own bias.

 

Unless actual stats are used, and even then they can be manipulated, it is all just people's opinions/perceptions of what happened.

Edited July 6, 2023 by Gurn

[PhillipBlunt]

This is all most media know how to do now. They aren't interested in keeping the public informed. They have to shape the narrative and convince anyone gullible enough to think how they want them to think. 

 

As a wise person once said, "believe half of what you see, and none of what you hear".

[PhillipBlunt]

53 minutes ago, Gurn said:

Even Ian McIntyre doesn't go on all the trips.

World of media, and everything else, is changing.

While Iain can fall prey to hyperbole, he's probably one of the most consistent voices in Vancouver sports media. 

[Gurn]

Just people, trying to make a living.

[Goal:thecup]

1 hour ago, Phat Fingers said:

I know that in some ways this is a necessary evil of the sports news, especially in a market like Vancouver with no play offs.

 

Shit season for the media fisherman this year, in a boom or bust economy where the playoffs is so beneficial to the secondary media and needed promoters of the sports and entertainment industry in Vancouver.

 

I get the limits of the market, but it is really a rebranded Crypt Keeper style of ‘journalism’ with more hand wringing and less wit and venom.

 

Gallagher could but on a clinic and played the Heel better than most.

 

But save the fretting and anxiety worded stuff.

 

Things are getting harder out there, we have a right wing agenda that uses the same tactics and rhetoric in their political campaigns and adds with some Fox News level broadcasting styles know fully found on CTV news and others.

 

the heart bear style music at intros and using words like massive, exteme and one sided framing to only look at the worst possible outcome and make it appear like it is already happening.

 

When this year in BC and Canada and the world and legit fears that Putin may just blow up the largest Nuclear Power Station in Europe as hissing fit of spoiled child turned megalomaniac, I would prefer a more realistic and less hyperbolic and hysterical approach to non serous and life threatening situations.

 

 

Absolutely right on OP and this follow up.

My response to this type of journalism is to never follow it.

"The Truth" as vetted by our own CDC is much more valid than any of the 'legitimate' media.

 

If you ever have been personally involved in any newsworthy activity and then read the way CBC, Global, Globe, and all the American 'news' outlets, you begin to understand that it is all extremely massaged by the powers that be.

Chomsky documented the problem but the media just entrenched and got paid for it.

 

[DrJockitch]

1 hour ago, Phat Fingers said:

Itch,

 

Of course it’s a low bar.

 

Not f**king up is the whole goal now with FA while addressing gaps in a lineup.

 

We have a Number 1 D man, the club believes that we have a number 2 guy and the number 4 guy got hurt,

 

Ian Cole is a 3rd guy in Tampa Bay, he is a 3rd on our roster, for 3 mil on one year.

 

we did not over spend and took on no deal over 3 years.

 

Whew.

 

what a relief and A+ for not screwing up the future for an FA…

 

priceless.

Bar is so low now that not screwing us for the next five years seems like a success.

Would like to see the bar set a bit higher than better than Benning.

Will be curious what happens if we screw the pooch right off the bat again this year.

Will they actually perform some major surgery.

[Petey Castiglione]

Watched this last night and absolutely could not stand sekeres.  "They never showed Petterson that he's a priority".   

 

How can you follow this team and say that with a straight face.  They have literally said the want to build around Petey, Hughes and Demko. 

 

I'm not giving that show anymore views or reading his rants on DailyHive.  Low level media reporting.  Dhali I'm coming around on cause he seems to be done "debating" with these clowns.

[Barnstorm]

Sekeres needs to get a REAL job. 

 

[Dr. Crossbar]

12 hours ago, Phat Fingers said:

 

Sekeres is abusing the word Concern over and over in this clip.

 

as a person that understands the importance of language which is ironic cuz I am dyslexic as f**k, but it actually makes me more aware, but this guy sounds like my ex wife before I am about to go up a ladder to fix the roof…

 

She has concerns but I built the god dammed house and put the roof on in the first place and mounted a ladder and had fall arrest equipment on…. So she was only really concerned that I would come back down safely…. As I latter found out.

 

Sowing doubts is actually what it was and over time it eroded our understanding of what a real concern was and what a exaggeration was.

 

Constant exaggeration is a tactic in gaslighting and in law in in propaganda, with some truth and a lot of unscientific and or unspecific vague words like ‘Concerns’

’Fears’ and ‘If’.

 

Now it’s fear that Elias Pettersson will pull one of the rarest moves in hockey, pulling a Johnny Hockey and screwing over the team that drafted him, developed him and gave the wee fiend a top spot on the line up and built a line around him to make his career take off as much as he worked his ass off too.

Now how many players walk to FA?

 

How many super stars who are 1st line centres?

 

Statements like ‘It’s not like this team has ever prioritized Elias Pettersson…’ are beyond ridiculous.

 

he could have said that about Quinn Hughes after Luke Schenn was dealt and Hronek was on the shelf after the trade, but not after this draft and FA, so forget Podzkolsin, forget JT Miller, forget Kuzemenko, forget bringing the Sedins into the management and coaching and mentoring roles, forget getting totally Pro Coaching Bench with how many Cup Rings and or play off games between them, Tochett as a coach, Adam Foote and Gonchar?

 

Last season showed the division in the Locker Room,  with Bruce and Horvat having this love in when last year it JT an Bruce, with it causing friction.

 

Unless Bruce was directed by Alvin to ‘Pump and Dump’ but it looked like Bruce wanted JT to be the secondary second choice behind Elias and while Horvat scored a ton of goals, he was not a generator of offence with his line mates with a 2-1 goals to assist ratio last year.

 

it also made Horvat unaffordable for Vancouver to sign and was a change from last season where the offence went thru Elias to JT to Horvat.

 

but the idea that keeping Brock is not also for Elias, as they are close friends and Alvin addressing the long term deficit this team has had on Defence since the Mike Gillis days in terms of any development after Tanev.

 

Until Quinn Hughes.

 

So whether we have fixed the gaping hole on the back end, and over developed our forwards and forward depth much to benefit the offence and that is mostly Elias, it’s absurd to claim the club has rarely prioritized Pettersson.

 

Listen to Dwali, just don’t look at the shirt he is wearing it may cause a headache, and hear the interview with JP Barry, it was very chill and all parties understand that the deal is their to be made and they all needed to re charge and take whatever vacation time they have and come back in a month or 6 weeks.

 

Don Taylor was playing the role of Sekeres then and he quit pretty fast when it was just ignored by JP Barry after it was shot down the first time.

 

Next it will be ‘Is Demko healed or will he be as bad as the start to last season…?’ 
 

Which would make sense if Demko finished the year injured instead of playing very well, maybe too good as we slipped from 5th to 11th in the draft…

 

and he was injured and had corrective treatment and therapies in between his bad play, due to the injury that didn’t heal from the end of last season, and he returned look g like our Number One Goalie.

 

We bring in a solid number 5 D man that can bring a missing element to our game, being big and mean and able to back it up, while also having a scoring touch.

 

Then we bring in a solid veteran number 3 d man in Ian Cole and another depth d man with 500 games who is a local guy…

 

Plus add drafted players who are RHD and able to be effective players beyond their peers, especially Willander.

 

All positive steps and exactly the type of solid sound prudent moves we had to make after buying out OEL.

 

A+

 

Hronek was the big move and now the media are hand wringing about whether he will be ‘as advertised’ while only being stat watching, not having reviewed his play in Detroit and just on the 4 games or so he played solid sound minutes but was shut down for next season.

 

what is there to worry about,

 

go look at the YouTube Highlights and scouting videos and you’ll see he looks pretty decent and he was a sought after player by Alvin and Rutherford.

 

So if you are doubting Hronek and that deal without any reason too, your really just stirring the pot of controversy to drum up hits and listens and views.

 

Hey, it’s sports newscasting, so there is always an entertainment aspect and a tinge of theatre.

 

This is also what super shady news and or propaganda sites and media outlets spew all the time and we can do better and so can this crew.

 

Sekeres and Price are pretty good mostly and Patterson is fair enough, so is Dwali, if not a bit comic.

 

Just need to look optimistic in the middle of the off season about the unknown and really, if the Club and Bear have made a hand shake deal, which would truly benefit both sides in his unfortunately timed injury could be a silver lining scenario where it allowed Ian Cole to be added and have Soucy and Myers share the 4 spot minutes in a 4/5 role and not over work either unless the two streaky big guys get hot for a few games.

 

Alvin and the club view Bear as a legit 4th RHD guy, a capable defender and able to contribute on the score sheet too.

 

We have a much stronger team with Bear and it’s likely to go down with him being signed as the LTIR kicks in on Poolman.

 

The only fear, concern and if other than Bear atm I have about this off-season other than the usual ahl and or RFA players still left to work into the roster, is dumping a 4-6 million dollar surplus winger contract, or figuring out who can best step into a face off role and light duty as a Center cause we have some work left to make the cap and balance our top 4 lines… 

 

lol. 

 

 

 

 

Seriously, thank you for drawing attention to this. I'm so glad I'm not the only one who noticed yesterday. I was going to write this same post but ran out of time.

 

I think there were three clips back to back to back between D&D and Sekeres & Price, also with Jeff Patterson, all pushing the same fabricated bulls***, fake concern about Pettersson and players leaving Canadian markets. They've been doing it for months 

 

Yesterday was god awful brutal. 

 

 

Edited July 7, 2023 by Dr. Crossbar

[The Arrogant Worms]

It's their job to be controversial. It is the way they make their living.

 

It has been that way forever on all topics be it TV or talk radio etc.

 

Jack Webster....Rafe Mair ....Dan Russell...Dave Pratt....the Crypt Creeper...Jim Taylor.

 

 

Edited July 6, 2023 by The Arrogant Worms

[Kevin Biestra]

7 hours ago, DrJockitch said:

It is the legacy of Tony Gallagher, a bitter little sports journalist who hated athletes and developed a very cynical brand and voice that carried on far too long in the Vancouver market.  

Ethically dubious as well.

 

Possibly but Tony Gallagher was a good writer, a good speaker and the local master of metaphors.  If Sekeres is following in his shoes somehow it's the McDonalds version whereas a Tony Gallagher column was going to The Keg for dinner.

[EddieVedder]

Sekeras is probably the worst but the rest arent far behind. 

Thats why i try to only listen to what former players like hansen have to say.  

[JeremyCuddles]

Is this the video where he was panicking about the Canucks "not caring" about Petey? I follow some hockey channels, mostly gaming channels, and this video was recommended to me. So I clicked it and it was some of the worst bit of sports talk I ever heard. And I had to listen to Stephen A and Molly what's her face say hockey doesn't count. The sad fact of the matter is these guys will never go away cause so many people hate watch their content, and link their garbage here. Then the youtube/Twitter algorithms keep feeding those people their content. And it's just a cycle of people bitching about these media types.

[tas]

i stopped consuming any canucks coverage that wasn't providing me with genuinely new information several years ago. like, news. breaking stories. not some new hot take or analytics breakdown or blah blah blah.

 

none of the clowns in this market have an opinion worth reading. 

[IBatch]

Best way to counter media negativity and the media in general, is just don't participate.    Aside from Allvin and Tochett interviews,  which some kind hearted soul will post on this site to give us something to discuss,  if we all just left the rest alone, maybe they'd get the message we don't want to, or need to hear it.    They are very negative.    Watched the one with Button, after  the Hronek trade and wow were they ready for and hoping they'd back them up in dumping all over the trade.   

Started slyly, then when Button wasn't biting became direct with not liking the trade and Button had to raise his voice and explain his stance to shut them up.

 

Button went on to say Hronek is a legit top pairing RHD.   Explained to them how given the make-up of our defense is so lacking in this area, that if they were going to keep the pick, they might as well blow it all up, including EP and QHs.   Also had to explain to them how bad the odds are to get something as good as Hronek where NYI ended up, and IF they beat the odds with that pick, how many years it would take to develop the player and hinted to what it would mean for the core's current deals.   Button absolutely loved that trade for us.    But of course it was wrong blah blah blah.    It's hard for me to believe they'd be that clueless about the sport they are supposed to be adding value to for our fanbase.    
 

We don't need yes men either, but it would be great to have less fear mongering, and a media that gives credit where it is due.    It appears they have a plan.    Given that after they make a move (Horvat, OEL buyout,  Bruce despite the optics / Tochett), more things come after that are connected to that move.    And for the first time in what seems like forever, the team actually did something that seemed like an obvious direction to a somewhat informed fan.       

 

RHD, one of the biggest topics on this site going back to before the Myers signing.  Is Hronek the right guy?   By all accounts he should be a good player for us.   Our D and team needs size badly.    Soucy has been on my personal wish list since I watched him pound away at our forwards in the bubble, didn't track the minutes, but he seemed to be MIN almost effective playoff D at the time, not Suter,  not Dumba.   Allvin recognized we needed to add size, and did exactly that.    Also brought in someone he was familiar with during his PIT days, who would help our PK.    THREE major weakness's were addressed.  

 

Top pairing RHD check.   PK  check check check,  it's our D holding us back there plus not having any bottom six forwards to rely on.     Our first PK unit just got stronger, and QHs won't have to do that anymore, barring injuries, and most importantly, OEL and Myers won't either!   

 

Lots of the elephant left to eat, but they've managed to eat the limbs and are heavily into the biggest part of the meal now.   Logically we need to add a legit top four, a good one, still.    We have the bones at least for two top pairings.    If they can somehow swing that this summer, remain cap complaint, and do it at a low cost,  they'd still find a reason to complain i'm sure.   

[IBatch]

9 hours ago, EddieVedder said:

Sekeras is probably the worst but the rest arent far behind. 

Thats why i try to only listen to what former players like hansen have to say.  

Hansen is great.   So is of course Bieksa.  He's the "enforcer" on that panel, and has called out Ron McLean enough to made an impact on his silly stuff, and kept him from unduly picking on the Canucks, reeled him in anyways, which is ironic given his job used to be to control or moderate Cherry, who was usually right even if folks didn't want to hear it.    

 

Hansen criticized JB deals.   Turned out correctly so.

[IBatch]

In the end of course EP is a priority.  And it would be a huge win if we entered the season with him signed.     As far as cap percentage goes, he's earned an 8 year deal at around 12 to 12.5%.    The most any Canuck ever had, was Naslund, after being the best LW in the league, and it was after the lockout his first cap percentage after the dust settled was 13.6% ish.   That's just over 12 million assuming the cap goes up to 88.5 next season.   Don't think he's earned a deal that big personally.   But he has earned a big one, and sure would be nice if he's signed before the season starts.   Even if he scores 105 points next year, he's got a comp in MT.    Add the tax money he's making to the deal, that brings EP to around the 11 mark.   That's also more than the Sedins ever got too. 

Edited July 7, 2023 by IBatch

[EddieVedder]

1 hour ago, IBatch said:

Hansen is great.   So is of course Bieksa.  He's the "enforcer" on that panel, and has called out Ron McLean enough to made an impact on his silly stuff, and kept him from unduly picking on the Canucks, reeled him in anyways, which is ironic given his job used to be to control or moderate Cherry, who was usually right even if folks didn't want to hear it.    

 

Hansen criticized JB deals.   Turned out correctly so.

Yup, Juice is the best. 

Stopped listening to these sports radio personalities years ago when i first realized what the OP here is saying. 

Most of them know nothing- blake, price, shah, sekeres, drance, walker  pratt, halford, brough and others ive forgotten are all full of it.  Ill give rintoul some credit- hes prob the one with least ego and has always had good insight.  

[EddieVedder]

14 hours ago, The Arrogant Worms said:

It's their job to be controversial. It is the way they make their living.

 

It has been that way forever on all topics be it TV or talk radio etc.

 

Jack Webster....Rafe Mair ....Dan Russell...Dave Pratt....the Crypt Creeper...Jim Taylor.

 

 

Dunno about that. Most who understand hockey dont tune in bcuz of that garbage 

[Hairy Kneel]

4 hours ago, IBatch said:

Hansen is great.   So is of course Bieksa.  He's the "enforcer" on that panel, and has called out Ron McLean enough to made an impact on his silly stuff, and kept him from unduly picking on the Canucks, reeled him in anyways, which is ironic given his job used to be to control or moderate Cherry, who was usually right even if folks didn't want to hear it.    

 

Hansen criticized JB deals.   Turned out correctly so.

Add Frankie Corrado. He has great insight into the team and player analysis. His opinions are clear and substantiated by knowledgeable experience. Smart dude. 

 

 

 

Edited July 7, 2023 by Hairy Kneel