Devron Posted July 27, 2023 Share Posted July 27, 2023 Just now, ilduce39 said: I’d be willing to bet “contract year Myers” turns some heads. Especially since he’ll be playing down the lineup and/or with a good partner. Our cap situation (and everyone’s) opens up a bit next year anyways that’s where we can try and get cute landing a longer term RD. Maybe even Pesce if he doesn’t pan out wherever he lands. Obviously my post was a bit of a joke but I do think like you that we may be better defensively than some think. At least better than the last couple years. Myers can have a career year and I’d be more than happy to let him go at the end of the year or even the deadline if we are borderline playoff position. I don’t think we should be spending anymore assets. Let’s see what the season brings and make more adjustments next year 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhillipBlunt Posted July 27, 2023 Share Posted July 27, 2023 13 hours ago, Nuxfanabroad said: Stevie Nicks eyeing top D-men?! Can't trust eklund... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moe Knows Posted July 27, 2023 Share Posted July 27, 2023 15 hours ago, Gawdzukes said: That's a horrible deal for Carolina. They take on $6 mil in cap, a garbage D, and a career AHLer. McDonough kind of sucked pretty bad in his 6 game stint. I don't think it gets you close at all unless no one else if offering up a first. But surely someone else would happily beat that offer. Try our first and D-Petey, or maybe our 1st, Lekkerimaki, and Beau to even out the cap. I think the poster said AFTER Myers bonus is paid so doesn't that make his cap hit for Carolina1 million not 6? I may have his bonus number wrong though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DownUndaCanuck Posted July 27, 2023 Share Posted July 27, 2023 Boeser + 1st enough for Pesce? I'd love to do scraps like Beauvillier + 1st + Rathbone but doubt they bite. Then again if Pesce is on his way out maybe his value drops? Is there a world we give them Myers 50% retained? Beau + Myers + pick? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gawdzukes Posted July 27, 2023 Share Posted July 27, 2023 (edited) 18 minutes ago, Moe Knows said: I think the poster said AFTER Myers bonus is paid so doesn't that make his cap hit for Carolina1 million not 6? I may have his bonus number wrong though. No, unfortunately his cap hit still remains the same. His actual salary in dollars is only 1 million for the season so it's perhaps attractive to teams watching their financial bottom line. We do have the option of retaining some of the cap, but of course we ourselves have to replace him in the line-up for at least 1 million. It's possible but those types of deals are historically hard to negotiate. You don't see too many of them. There are a lot of moving pieces to the puzzle and they may just be too hard to navigate to the point we just see Myers play out his contract on the third pairing. Edited July 27, 2023 by Gawdzukes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gawdzukes Posted July 27, 2023 Share Posted July 27, 2023 3 minutes ago, DownUndaCanuck said: Boeser + 1st enough for Pesce? I'd love to do scraps like Beauvillier + 1st + Rathbone but doubt they bite. Then again if Pesce is on his way out maybe his value drops? Is there a world we give them Myers 50% retained? Beau + Myers + pick? I highly doubt it. That's 7 mil going their way and only 4 mil coming back. They have less than a mil in cap space. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhillipBlunt Posted July 27, 2023 Share Posted July 27, 2023 5 minutes ago, DownUndaCanuck said: Boeser + 1st enough for Pesce? I'd love to do scraps like Beauvillier + 1st + Rathbone but doubt they bite. Then again if Pesce is on his way out maybe his value drops? Is there a world we give them Myers 50% retained? Beau + Myers + pick? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Citizen Erased Posted July 27, 2023 Share Posted July 27, 2023 17 hours ago, Meh said: Turn that 1st into a 2nd and I'll drive them to the airport. That’s Brian Burke’s job. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilduce39 Posted July 27, 2023 Share Posted July 27, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, Devron said: Obviously my post was a bit of a joke but I do think like you that we may be better defensively than some think. At least better than the last couple years. Myers can have a career year and I’d be more than happy to let him go at the end of the year or even the deadline if we are borderline playoff position. I don’t think we should be spending anymore assets. Let’s see what the season brings and make more adjustments next year Yeah and honestly, I have no idea how the overall team D shapes up this year. We’ve been all over the place the last few years. But Myers seems to be in a good position to do well - not near 6 mil AAV well - but well enough he’ll either have value to the team or at the trade deadline with some retention IMO. A bit of wishful thinking on my part maybe but he’s had good enough seasons between some pretty bad ones so I’m hoping I’m not completely out to lunch. That’s my hot take for the offseason! Edited July 27, 2023 by ilduce39 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKSR Posted July 27, 2023 Share Posted July 27, 2023 36 minutes ago, ilduce39 said: Yeah and honestly, I have no idea how the overall team D shapes up this year. We’ve been all over the place the last few years. But Myers seems to be in a good position to do well - not near 6 mil AAV well - but well enough he’ll either have value to the team or at the trade deadline with some retention IMO. A bit of wishful thinking on my part maybe but he’s had good enough seasons between some pretty bad ones so I’m hoping I’m not completely out to lunch. That’s my hot take for the offseason! Yeah, if Myers is on the 3rd pair, he'll do quite well. I'm curious how Soucy will do with likely increased responsibilities. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canucks Curse Posted July 27, 2023 Share Posted July 27, 2023 I bet Pesce does not want to resign in Canada, that or CAR will not grant him permission to talk extension with other teams, something like 7 mill x 4 yrs given his huge playing time and mild amount of offence seems reasonable, he is prob looking for 8 millx 6 yrs tho Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhillipBlunt Posted July 27, 2023 Share Posted July 27, 2023 1 hour ago, Citizen Erased said: That’s Brian Burke’s job. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostsof1915 Posted July 27, 2023 Share Posted July 27, 2023 CDC: Complains Canucks gave up picks to get Hronek. CDC: Complains Canucks bought out OEL. CDC: Wants to part with assets to get rid of Myers..... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devron Posted July 27, 2023 Share Posted July 27, 2023 30 minutes ago, Ghostsof1915 said: CDC: Complains Canucks gave up picks to get Hronek. CDC: Complains Canucks bought out OEL. CDC: Wants to part with assets to get rid of Myers..... Then when the Canucks pull the trigger complain all over again hehe 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhillipBlunt Posted July 27, 2023 Share Posted July 27, 2023 21 minutes ago, Devron said: Then when the Canucks pull the trigger complain all over again hehe 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby James Posted July 27, 2023 Share Posted July 27, 2023 I think the cost might be a bit high to get him. We have lots of great prospects, but I don't think management wants to trade them at this time. We'll need good players on cheap contracts in a couple years when the OEL buyout is worse and our team is trying to be a regular playoff contender. Maybe Beau (50%) retained + 1st could get it done. I don't think they'd love the deal, but they get a potentially solid 1st round pick and a middle 6 winger at 2 million and they were going to lose Pesce anyway. As others said I think there will be better offers on the table for him (1st + a solid prospect). I'm sure if we wanna give up Hoglander or Podz along with a high pick then they'd agree much quicker lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KirkSave Posted July 28, 2023 Share Posted July 28, 2023 21 hours ago, Gawdzukes said: That's a horrible deal for Carolina. They take on $6 mil in cap, a garbage D, and a career AHLer. McDonough kind of sucked pretty bad in his 6 game stint. I don't think it gets you close at all unless no one else if offering up a first. But surely someone else would happily beat that offer. Try our first and D-Petey, or maybe our 1st, Lekkerimaki, and Beau to even out the cap. Pass. On. Pesce. Myers is underrated. He can be an effective 3rd pairing d-man on a great team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gawdzukes Posted July 28, 2023 Share Posted July 28, 2023 1 hour ago, KirkSave said: Pass. On. Pesce. Myers is underrated. He can be an effective 3rd pairing d-man on a great team. In the past with Winnipeg he excelled in that situation. Let's hope he is up to the task. It is contract year. We should see his best effort. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kloubek Posted July 31, 2023 Share Posted July 31, 2023 (edited) On 7/27/2023 at 7:58 PM, Gawdzukes said: It is contract year. We should see his best effort. I think this is a great point. He's not even old yet, and his play this season could mean a difference of millions for him. We should see his best. He's not always positionally sound and takes penalties, but in a limited role I too think he can be effective. Not 6m effective, but certainly adequate as a 6th. Really, with such limited cap room this season and a high cost to unload it, it's not the worst thing in the world to keep him for now. He's off the books next season when the ceiling rises, so it kinda works out that way at least. I still can't help think he's movable to a cap floor team without sweeteners once his bonus is paid... Edited July 31, 2023 by kloubek 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RWJC Posted July 31, 2023 Author Share Posted July 31, 2023 7 minutes ago, kloubek said: I think this is a great point. He's not even old yet, and his play this season could mean a difference of millions for him. We should see his best. He's not always positionally sound and takes penalties, but in a limited role I top think he can be effective. Not 6m effective, but certainly adequate as a 6th. Really, with such limited cap room this season and a high cost to unload it, it's not the worst thing in the world to keep him for now. He's off the books next season when the ceiling rises, so it kinda works out that way at least. I still can't help think he's movable to a cap floor team without sweeteners once his bonus is paid... At this point we actually need him. I agree with you, plus we’re already paying the bonus so if I was Aqua I’d want to see us hold him to deadline and get as much use out of him as possible for the money, albeit in a lessened role Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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