SingleThorn Posted August 25, 2018 Share Posted August 25, 2018 34 minutes ago, Kanukfanatic said: Good God! Look at what some of the posters on HF Ottawa Senators think they would get for Karlsson: Hughes, Tanev, Gaudette, 1st in 2019, 2nd in 2020 Hughes Juolevi 1st 2019 2nd 2020 Elias Petersson + Tanev + 2019 1st Edit: at least there were a few Sens posters admitting they would not get anything like that Where do the Sens fans think he is most likely to go ? Surely we aren't in their top 'most likely' list ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanukfanatic Posted August 25, 2018 Share Posted August 25, 2018 1 minute ago, SingleThorn said: Where do the Sens fans think he is most likely to go ? Surely we aren't in their top 'most likely' list ! They only speculated on what they could get from Vancouver when Friedman came out with that rumor the other day. I think lots want to keep him and some think he would go to Tampa or a couple other teams. Van isn't really who they think will get him if he does go. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted August 25, 2018 Share Posted August 25, 2018 40 minutes ago, Kanukfanatic said: Good God! Look at what some of the posters on HF Ottawa Senators think they would get for Karlsson: Hughes, Tanev, Gaudette, 1st in 2019, 2nd in 2020 Hughes Juolevi 1st 2019 2nd 2020 Elias Petersson + Tanev + 2019 1st Edit: at least there were a few Sens posters admitting they would not get anything like that I (almost, but not really) feel sorry for Senator’s fans. Clearly their GM got abused when we got Dahlen for Burrows. Then, the guy got destroyed giving up his coming (not protected) first round pick for Duchene. Their fans want their team to win any EK trade, so they can save something. The problem is EK is a coming UFA, and will get very little return unless he signs first, or has a deal in place before he’s traded. A trade to any team other than TBay, and EK will go the UFA route. Unless Dorion can find a GM as gullible as himself (Bergevin?) the Sen’s fans are going to be very disappointed in any EK return. oh, whoops. I should be more compassionate, BUT I’M NOT!!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanukfanatic Posted August 25, 2018 Share Posted August 25, 2018 9 minutes ago, Alflives said: I (almost, but not really) feel sorry for Senator’s fans. Clearly their GM got abused when we got Dahlen for Burrows. Then, the guy got destroyed giving up his coming (not protected) first round pick for Duchene. Their fans want their team to win any EK trade, so they can save something. The problem is EK is a coming UFA, and will get very little return unless he signs first, or has a deal in place before he’s traded. A trade to any team other than TBay, and EK will go the UFA route. Unless Dorion can find a GM as gullible as himself (Bergevin?) the Sen’s fans are going to be very disappointed in any EK return. oh, whoops. I should be more compassionate, BUT I’M NOT!!! Agreed. It is amazing how quickly the Senators organization has burned to the ground. That doesn't even include the whole issue with harassment by a players girlfriend and a Senators management person being accused of abuse. Geez!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhillipBlunt Posted August 25, 2018 Share Posted August 25, 2018 1 hour ago, Kanukfanatic said: Good God! Look at what some of the posters on HF Ottawa Senators think they would get for Karlsson: Hughes, Tanev, Gaudette, 1st in 2019, 2nd in 2020 Hughes Juolevi 1st 2019 2nd 2020 Elias Petersson + Tanev + 2019 1st Edit: at least there were a few Sens posters admitting they would not get anything like that Wow, they're dumb as boards. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kootenay Gold Posted August 25, 2018 Share Posted August 25, 2018 1 hour ago, Kanukfanatic said: Good God! Look at what some of the posters on HF Ottawa Senators think they would get for Karlsson: Hughes, Tanev, Gaudette, 1st in 2019, 2nd in 2020 Hughes Juolevi 1st 2019 2nd 2020 Elias Petersson + Tanev + 2019 1st LOL.. If they keep on hallucinating like that, they might even be able to convince themselves that they are going to win the Stanley cup this year. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Gaudette Celly Posted August 25, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted August 25, 2018 2 hours ago, Kanukfanatic said: Good God! Look at what some of the posters on HF Ottawa Senators think they would get for Karlsson: Hughes, Tanev, Gaudette, 1st in 2019, 2nd in 2020 Hughes Juolevi 1st 2019 2nd 2020 Elias Petersson + Tanev + 2019 1st Edit: at least there were a few Sens posters admitting they would not get anything like that Plus we have to take Ryan? You know, so we're not totally ripping them off. 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post The Lock Posted August 25, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted August 25, 2018 (edited) 20 hours ago, Kanukfanatic said: Good God! Look at what some of the posters on HF Ottawa Senators think they would get for Karlsson: Hughes, Tanev, Gaudette, 1st in 2019, 2nd in 2020 Hughes Juolevi 1st 2019 2nd 2020 Elias Petersson + Tanev + 2019 1st Edit: at least there were a few Sens posters admitting they would not get anything like that Well we are not exactly about to be able to trade our scraps for him either. I've seen essentially the same thing on this forum but the other way around. Realistically, it would likely somewhere in the middle of what we are saying and what they are saying. However, it really doesn't make sense for us. You don't trade for a Karlsson when you are rebuilding. You trade for a Karlsson after you've rebuilt and you can afford to part with extra picks and prospects that you don't necessarily need. Edited August 25, 2018 by The Lock 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westcoasting Posted August 26, 2018 Share Posted August 26, 2018 On 8/24/2018 at 10:38 AM, N7Nucks said: Shame Boeser never got a full season. Would have made the Calder race much more interesting. Guy was having such a fantastic year. Was on pace for roughly 38 goals 34 assists. Goals being worth more than assists would have made up for the 13 point difference between him and Barzal. He would have scored 16 more goals than Barzal over a full season. Hell, he scored 7 more goals than Barzal in 20 fewer games. Lol. Boeser is my Rocket Richard sleeper pick this year Goals are not worth more than assists... point totals makes the Calder Trophy winner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeremyCuddles Posted August 26, 2018 Share Posted August 26, 2018 3 minutes ago, Westcoasting said: Goals are not worth more than assists... point totals makes the Calder Trophy winner. Like the year Ekblad won it? Good point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westcoasting Posted August 26, 2018 Share Posted August 26, 2018 4 minutes ago, N7Nucks said: Like the year Ekblad won it? Good point. I thought you were talking about forwards... isn't Barzal and Brock both forwards? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeremyCuddles Posted August 26, 2018 Share Posted August 26, 2018 5 minutes ago, Westcoasting said: I thought you were talking about forwards... isn't Barzal and Brock both forwards? Yes, but that plays into my point that points aren't the end all be all. Goals mean more than assists. Therefore the totality of Barzal's points don't mean as much when Boeser has a massive goal differential. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westcoasting Posted August 26, 2018 Share Posted August 26, 2018 2 minutes ago, N7Nucks said: Yes, but that plays into my point that points aren't the end all be all. Goals mean more than assists. Therefore the totality of Barzal's points don't mean as much when Boeser has a massive goal differential. Name a recent winner that was not the points leader or a dman or goalie. Normally it is just points other than a year where points are within a couple of each other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeremyCuddles Posted August 26, 2018 Share Posted August 26, 2018 2 minutes ago, Westcoasting said: Name a recent winner that was not the points leader or a dman or goalie. Normally it is just points other than a year where points are within a couple of each other. All the recent winners had more points and coincidentally more goals than most of the runner ups. Huberdeau won with fewer goals than the runner up, but the difference was one goal. He had 3 more points. Patty Kane had 3 fewer goals than Toews, but had 18 more points. So that's not really comparable cause if Boeser played a full season he'd have had roughly 15 more goals than Barzal. All in all the last 11ish years all the point leaders also had more goals. And those that didn't were within 3-5 goals of the goal leader and had more points so the goal difference was minor. This would have been one of the rare years where we seen a guy had a 10+ point lead on the second highest scorer but also had 10+ fewer goals than him too. Which is what I am eluding too. Had Boeser played a full season the Calder race would have been much more interesting cause his goal lead on Barzal would have been close to 16 goals. For more proof, Keller had 10 more points than Boeser, but was 3rd in Calder voting. Yanni Gourde had 7 more points than Kyle Connor, but finished 2 spots lower than him in voting. Debrincat had more goals and more points than Dubois but Dubois is a center and does everything whereas Debrincat is primarily a scorer. Two way centers generally get more love than scoring wingers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post -AJ- Posted August 26, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted August 26, 2018 I already posted this as a status update, but I thought I'd add it here too: It's almost scary how similar Ilya Kovalchuk and Brock Boeser's rookie seasons were: Kovalchuk: 65 games 29 goals 22 assists 51 points -19 +/- Played for 30th place Thrashers 2nd in Calder voting Boeser: 62 games 29 goals 26 assists 55 points -5 +/- Played for 26th place Canucks 2nd in Calder voting 3 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldoescobar Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 The big question will be: who on this board is going to be calling for his head if/when he goes through the sophomore slump? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tre Mac Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 On 8/25/2018 at 7:40 PM, N7Nucks said: Yes, but that plays into my point that points aren't the end all be all. Goals mean more than assists. Therefore the totality of Barzal's points don't mean as much when Boeser has a massive goal differential. Agreed, I thought the vote should've been a lot closer. I'd even go as far as to say he should've won it but you know, hometown bias. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tre Mac Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 On 8/26/2018 at 1:55 PM, -AJ- said: I already posted this as a status update, but I thought I'd add it here too: It's almost scary how similar Ilya Kovalchuk and Brock Boeser's rookie seasons were: Kovalchuk: 65 games 29 goals 22 assists 51 points -19 +/- Played for 30th place Thrashers 2nd in Calder voting decent hair Boeser: 62 games 29 goals 26 assists 55 points -5 +/- Played for 26th place Canucks 2nd in Calder voting sick lion mane Nearly identical. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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redhdlois Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 6 minutes ago, -Vintage Canuck- said: Can the season please start ..........I miss our Brockstar 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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