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Re-signing Players

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With the season almost over and the Canucks being out of playoff contention, we can now look at re-signing players. We have a quite a few of players that are either UFAs or RFAs.  What do you think their contracts would look like (term and cost)?


Here is the list

 

UFA

Henrik Sedin

Daniel Sedin

Darren Archibald

Nic Dowd

 

RFA

Sven Baertschi

Markus Granlund

Jake Virtanen

Reid Boucher

Derrick Pouliot

Troy Stetcher

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Hank & Dank - I think they'll be back at a low hit of 3M per for 1 season

Archy - 1M for 1 season (2way)

Dowd - Won't make the team (Gaunce)

Sven - 3.5M for 3 seasons

Gran - 3M for 3 seasons

Virt - 2M for 3 seasons

Reid - won't be back

Pouly - 2M for 3 seasons

Stech - 2M for 3 seasons

 

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13 minutes ago, Where'd Luongo? said:

Hank & Dank - I think they'll be back at a low hit of 3M per for 1 season

Archy - 1M for 1 season (2way)

Dowd - Won't make the team (Gaunce)

Sven - 3.5M for 3 seasons

Gran - 3M for 3 seasons

Virt - 2M for 3 seasons

Reid - won't be back

Pouly - 2M for 3 seasons

Stech - 2M for 3 seasons

 

how do you figure 3.5 for Sven? I don't think he's earned anywhere near that. His qualifying offer is 2 mil and I doubt he'll get much more than that (https://www.capfriendly.com/qualifying-offer-calculator). I'd actually be fine with the Canucks taking it to arbitration tbh.  Dzingel is only making 1.8 for a very comparable player. 

 

Dowd might get a 2 way offer, but he'd definably be bound for Utica.

 

 

 

 

 

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Reid and Dowd are on the outside looking in, the rest will be on short term deals but Baertschi and Granlund won't make as much as you posted I don' t think.

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38 minutes ago, Where'd Luongo? said:

Hank & Dank - I think they'll be back at a low hit of 3M per for 1 season

Archy - 1M for 1 season (2way)  $650 2-way for 1, same as this year

Dowd - Won't make the team (Gaunce)

Sven - 3.5M for 3 seasons  $2.0-2.35

Gran - 3M for 3 seasons  $2.0 for 2 he's only making 950 salary now

Virt - 2M for 3 seasons  $1.5 for 2  there's a thread somewhere that digs into this

Reid - won't be back

Pouly - 2M for 3 seasons  $1.2 for 2 is a 50% raise for a player who has a lot to prove

Stech - 2M for 3 seasons  $2.5 for 2 bottom pair who can play up the roster.  

 

Agree with the gist of your post.  I think you're being generous with the money though.  I've added my thoughts above.

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i love the sedins but they should retire  go out the right way!

archy resign  1 year = 850,

dowd gone

gaunce gone

sven  2.5 1 year

gran = 1.5 1year

virt= 2mil 1yr

reid gone  

pouliet 1.5 for 2yr

stech 2.5 for 3 yr

 i will add gags gone

 

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18 minutes ago, Crabcakes said:

Agree with the gist of your post.  I think you're being generous with the money though.  I've added my thoughts above.

Granlund and Baer at the same price tag?   Two years puts them UFA.

Stecher at 2.5M is high vs Dumba who got that. 

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1 hour ago, Where'd Luongo? said:

Hank & Dank - I think they'll be back at a low hit of 3M per for 1 season

Archy - 1M for 1 season (2way)

Dowd - Won't make the team (Gaunce)

Sven - 3.5M for 3 seasons

Gran - 3M for 3 seasons

Virt - 2M for 3 seasons

Reid - won't be back

Pouly - 2M for 3 seasons

Stech - 2M for 3 seasons

 

Agree with what you have except don't want Archie back

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UFA

Henrik Sedin - Re-signs for 2.5 Million

Daniel Sedin - Re-signs for 2.5 Million

Darren Archibald - Signs a 2 way deal for 2 years.  (battles for spot in camp)

Nic Dowd - Walks or gets signed & waived

 

RFA

Sven Baertschi - Traded at draft

Markus Granlund - Re-signs at 1.5 Million per over 2 years

Jake Virtanen - Re-signs for 1.2 Million for 1 year (show me deal. Green/Jim will challenge him he will accept said challenge)

Reid Boucher - Let walk. (Hasn't been effective since the Dallas blowout game.)

Derrick Pouliot - Re-signs for 2 years at 2.5 Million (bridge show me deal. Unless Jim can lock him to term cheap)

Troy Stetcher - Re-signs for 4 years at 3.5 Million (Good term for the team and reasonable cap hit as he grows. He essentially takes a haircut if his progression continues over year 3 & 4)

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1 minute ago, Rush17 said:

UFA

Henrik Sedin - Re-signs for 2.5 Million

Daniel Sedin - Re-signs for 2.5 Million

Darren Archibald - Signs a 2 way deal for 2 years.  (battles for spot in camp)

Nic Dowd - Walks or gets signed & waived

 

RFA

Sven Baertschi - Traded at draft

Markus Granlund - Re-signs at 1.5 Million per over 2 years

Jake Virtanen - Re-signs for 1.2 Million for 1 year (show me deal. Green/Jim will challenge him he will accept said challenge)

Reid Boucher - Let walk. (Hasn't been effective since the Dallas blowout game.)

Derrick Pouliot - Re-signs for 2 years at 2.5 Million (bridge show me deal. Unless Jim can lock him to term cheap)

Troy Stetcher - Re-signs for 4 years at 3.5 Million (Good term for the team and reasonable cap hit as he grows. He essentially takes a haircut if his progression continues over year 3 & 4)

1.05 for Archie's contract.  Forgot to add that. Dowd i don't see coming back to the nhl level.

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UFA

Henrik Sedin - No

Daniel Sedin - No

Darren Archibald - Yes

Nic Dowd - No

 

RFA

Sven Baertschi - Trade

Markus Granlund - Trade

Jake Virtanen - Yes

Reid Boucher - No

Derrick Pouliot - No

Troy Stetcher - Yes

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5 hours ago, R.Kesler #17 said:

UFA

Henrik Sedin - No

Daniel Sedin - No

Darren Archibald - 1 year 2-way league minimum

Nic Dowd - 2 years 2-way $750K

 

RFA

Sven Baertschi - *trade or 4 years x $3.5mil

Markus Granlund - *trade or 4 years x $2.5mil

Jake Virtanen - 2 year x $1.5mil (bridge)

Reid Boucher - qualify (2-way for Utica) or release

Derrick Pouliot - 1 year $1.25mil (show-me, short of UFA)

Troy Stetcher - 2 year $3.0mil, or 4 year x $2.5mil

*move one of the two

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38 minutes ago, Hutton Wink said:

*move one of the two

Granlund is more versatile.

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UFA

Henrik Sedin- doubt they wish to come back so no

Daniel Sedin- doubt they wish to come back so no

Darren Archibald- 1 year, 1 way, $650000

Nic Dowd- nope

Jussi Jokinen-nope

Jayson Megna-nope

Joseph Labate- 1 year, 2way, $650000

Patrick Wiercoch- doubt he wants to but, 1 year, 1way $650000

Richard Bachman- 2 year, 2way, $750000

 

RFA

Sven Baertschi- trade

Markus Granlund- try for long term. 5 year, 2Million

Jake Virtanen- 1 year, $1.5M

Reid Boucher- 1 year, $650000

Derrick Pouliot- 1 year, 1M

Troy Stetcher- try long term. 6 years 2.5M

Griffen Molino-nope

Michael Chaput-nope

MacKenze Stewart-nope

Anton Cederholm-nope

Cole Cassels- 1 year, 2way, $650000

 

Mostly short deals but try long term for guys you know are NHL players but may not have reached ceiling this year. Get them on cheap Hansen like deals.

 

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8 hours ago, Where'd Luongo? said:

Hank & Dank - I think they'll be back at a low hit of 3M per for 1 season

Archy - 1M for 1 season (2way)

Dowd - Won't make the team (Gaunce)

Sven - 3.5M for 3 seasons

Gran - 3M for 3 seasons

Virt - 2M for 3 seasons

Reid - won't be back

Pouly - 2M for 3 seasons

Stech - 2M for 3 seasons

 

thoughs numbers are off massively off  archi will maybe get 700k sven 2.5 per granny 1.75 virt 1.75 per poul stech 1.2  each a yr  sedins retire 

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14 hours ago, Rush17 said:

UFA

Henrik Sedin - Re-signs for 2.5 Million

Daniel Sedin - Re-signs for 2.5 Million

Darren Archibald - Signs a 2 way deal for 2 years.  (battles for spot in camp)

Nic Dowd - Walks or gets signed & waived

 

RFA

Sven Baertschi - Traded at draft

Markus Granlund - Re-signs at 1.5 Million per over 2 years

Jake Virtanen - Re-signs for 1.2 Million for 1 year (show me deal. Green/Jim will challenge him he will accept said challenge)

Reid Boucher - Let walk. (Hasn't been effective since the Dallas blowout game.)

Derrick Pouliot - Re-signs for 2 years at 2.5 Million (bridge show me deal. Unless Jim can lock him to term cheap)

Troy Stetcher - Re-signs for 4 years at 3.5 Million (Good term for the team and reasonable cap hit as he grows. He essentially takes a haircut if his progression continues over year 3 & 4)

Pretty reasonable numbers. Here is my take with some reasoning.

 

UFA

1. Sedins. Could go either way, but my guess is that they retire. At most 1 more year but only if they sign for a low number like 2.5 each. At most 3.

2. Archie. I think he gets rewarded with a one-way deal at about 700K, maybe even 750K. Could make the team as a resident tough guy on the 4th line. He is also good on the PK. He is second among forwards in  PK time on ice per game played (after Sutter). His goals against per 60 minutes is 8.1. That is better than Sutter (8.3) or Gaunce (9.2). He is not that far away from the best PK forward on the team among guys who have played significant minutes: Horvat at 7.1.

3. Dowd. I don't think he gets re-signed. His 2 pts in 36 games this year is just way too low for him to be worth a contract. His defensive and PK play are okay (but not as good as Archie) and certainly not enough to make up for his complete lack of offence. 

 

RFA

4. Baertschi gets re-signed at 3 million per year for 2 years. For the last couple of years he has been playing at a legitimate second line level (albeit just barely), but any legitimate top six forward is worth 3 million. His defence is not bad and he has very good speed.

5. Granlund.  Yes, 1.5 per year is reasonable for Granlund, probably for 2 years. This year, his 12 pts in 53 games is barely respectable for a 4th liner and is not even at the legitimate 3rd line level. Yes, he played tough minutes, including a lot of shutdown, and did a decent job, but it is not at all clear that he even makes the team next year.

6. Virtanen. I previously argued that he should get 1 million per year for two years. He still has a lot to prove even to show he is a solid 4th liner on a good team.

7. Boucher. Don't think he gets re-signed. Not worth a contract with all the young guys who will turn pro and need contracts next year. Maybe he gets an AHL contract but he is not good to play on the good NHL team.

8. Pouliot and Stecher: I think 2 years each at 2.5 million. They both need to show they can be more than 3rd pairing Ds  if they are going to get more than that. Yes, they have both played in the top 4 at various times this year and it has not been pretty, especially with Pouliot. He has a team-worst -21 +/-, despite getting somewhat protected minutes most nights.

 

The striking thing about this list from my point of view is that it is not clear if any of these players will be on the team two years from now. The Sedins will likely be retired and everyone else has a lot to prove to stay ahead of the young guys coming up.

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1 hour ago, JamesB said:

Pretty reasonable numbers. Here is my take with some reasoning.

 

UFA

1. Sedins. Could go either way, but my guess is that they retire. At most 1 more year but only if they sign for a low number like 2.5 each. At most 3.

2. Archie. I think he gets rewarded with a one-way deal at about 700K, maybe even 750K. Could make the team as a resident tough guy on the 4th line. He is also good on the PK. And he is not bad on the PK. He is second among forwards in  PK time on ice (after Sutter). His goals against per 60 minutes is 8.1. That is better than Sutter (8.3) or Gaunce (9.2). He is not that far away from the best PK forward on the team among guys who have played significant minutes: Horvat at 7.1.

3. Dowd. I don't think he gets re-signed. His 2 pts in 36 games this year is just way too low for him to be worth a contract. His defensive and PK play are okay (but not as good as Archie) and certainly not enough to make up for his complete lack of offence. 

 

RFA

4. Baertschi gets re-signed at 3 million per year for 2 years. For the last couple of years he has been playing at a legitimate second line level (albeit just barely), but any legitimate top six forward is worth 3 million. His defence is not bad and he has very good speed.

5. Granlund.  Yes, 1.5 per year is reasonable for Granlund, probably for 2 years. This year, his 12 pts in 53 games is barely respectable for a 4th liner and is not even at the legitimate 3rd line level. Yes, he played tough minutes, including a lot of shutdown, and did a decent job, but it is not at all clear that he even makes the team next year.

6. Virtanen. I previously argued that he should get 1 million per year for two years. He still has a lot to prove even to show he is a solid 4th liner on a good team.

7. Boucher. Don't think he gets re-signed. Not worth a contract with all the young guys who will turn pro and need contracts next year. Maybe he gets an AHL contract but he is not good to play on the good NHL team.

8. Pouliot and Stecher: I think 2 years each at 2.5 million. They both need to show they can be more than 3rd pairing Ds  if they are going to get more than that. Yes, they have both played in the top 4 at various times this year and it has not been pretty, especially with Pouliot. He has a team-worst -21 +/-, despite getting somewhat protected minutes most nights.

 

The striking thing about this list from my point of view is that it is not clear if any of these players will be on the team two years from now. The Sedins will likely be retired and everyone else has a lot to prove to stay ahead of the young guys coming up.

Well said, I agree with most of this. Good that you didn't only base it off stats.

 

I believe Stecher has played much better than Pouliot, and he competes at a higher level compared to Pouliot.

 

In addition, I see Baer being possibly traded at the deadline. A guy like Leipsic has looked better in his few games with that Bo and Boeser line, than Baer. Jake has been looking good lately, needs to work hard this offseason. Also, I think the Sedins will play one more year. Archie is a solid 4th liner for this team, smart, physical player.

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13 hours ago, Where'd Luongo? said:

Hank & Dank - I think they'll be back at a low hit of 3M per for 1 season

Archy - 1M for 1 season (2way)

Dowd - Won't make the team (Gaunce)

Sven - 3.5M for 3 seasons

Gran - 3M for 3 seasons

Virt - 2M for 3 seasons

Reid - won't be back

Pouly - 2M for 3 seasons

Stech - 2M for 3 seasons

 

I agree almost completely with this but I have to say I would lower Pouliot and Stretch to $1.5 and up Archie to$1.5. all for 2 seasons

I base this on value/effect on the team going forward.

Archie has surprised me and I now see him as DD's replacement. He has a big body too and he is not afraid to use it. Along with Gaunce and maybe Gadjovich/MacEwen I can see them form a formidable 4th line.

Pouliot and Stech on the other hand (I do like Stech's play a lot more than Pouliot) are the type of player who I could see displaced by the likes of McEneny and Brisbois/Sautner/Candela/etc if they progress.

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UFA

Henrik Sedin          resign

Daniel Sedin           resign

Darren Archibald     cut

Nic Dowd                 cut

 

RFA

Sven Baertschi       trade

Markus Granlund    trade

Jake Virtanen         resign      

Reid Boucher          cut

Derrick Pouliot        resign

Troy Stetcher          resign

 

 

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