Popular Post Trebreh Posted June 23, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted June 23, 2019 must read https://twitter.com/mikeinthevalley/status/1142639644930007041?s=21 2 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post The Great Canucks Posted June 23, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted June 23, 2019 10 hours ago, mpt said: Completely relevant when he was traded recently for a 5th. Hayes, 1st, 3rd or Miller and a 5th. Again, bad trade What a stupid argument. You do realize he was traded for a fifth because he wasn't re-signing in Winnipeg, right? I'd rather have Miller on his current deal than pay $50 million over seven years for Hayes. 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cuporbust Posted June 23, 2019 Share Posted June 23, 2019 1 hour ago, theo5789 said: The sad part is these so called "fans" would rather Miller fail so they can say they're right in that Benning sucks. Even the Shinkaruk for Granlund trade is pretty definitive at this point, but yet people still complain about because Granlund hasn't become some 30 goal scorer or whatever expectation they have in hopes that he's some incredible steal. Miller wont fail per say. Like most said , he is a good all around addition. Dont think many are arguing that, myself included. What most are saying is we got fleeced by a cap strapped team in terms of cost. Plain and simple to me. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
babalu Posted June 23, 2019 Share Posted June 23, 2019 7 minutes ago, Trebreh said: must read https://twitter.com/mikeinthevalley/status/1142639644930007041?s=21 Thanks for posting. I think he could fit in well to our top six. I do think we overpaid would have been happier with 2 2nds than the first and 3rd. Is it is what it is though so hopefully it works out. This should put team tank to rest as it will be better if we make the playoffs this year as the pick will be later. Hopefully we can add another top 6 forward and top 4 D as we currently don't seem to have the depth to contend. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grandmaster Posted June 23, 2019 Share Posted June 23, 2019 Just now, cuporbust said: Miller wont fail per say. Like most said , he is a good all around addition. Dont think many are arguing that, myself included. What most are saying is we got fleeced by a cap strapped team in terms of cost. Plain and simple to me. Not when you consider every other team wants a player like that. One that is a low cap hit, high producer and only 26years old. You can’t take as much advantage as you think. There is always another team out there that will pay the first pick (a pick that may not even end up being a pro player). 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post StanleyCupOneDay Posted June 23, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted June 23, 2019 (edited) A post in defense of the Benning trade. I’m not going to read all of the last 100 pages of nonsense and I am only a random internet user, but here’s how I see it. The cost of a top 6 forward today is a 1st rounder. Add in a contract already signed through the players prime years (26-30) at a bargain AV of 5.25m and it’s worth an extra 3rd rounder. Throw in a contract wasting player to the Lightning that allows more room for the Canucks to maneuver and there you have the trade. Remember J.T. Miller was drafted 15th overall in the 2011 draft. The conditional 1st round pick in the trade is also lottery protected. That means the Canucks either miss the playoffs in 2020, keep the pick and give up a 2021 1st rounder when we’ll in all likelihood make the playoffs resulting in our 1st round being in the 16th-31st range or make the playoffs this season and give up a 1st round pick in the 16th-31st range in 2020. If we miss the playoffs for the next 2 years in a row that is the only scenario we give up a pick higher then 16th overall. J.T. Miller has played 435 games and is averaging conservatively .5 PPG over his career (237 points total). Let’s compare that with the players picked 16th-30th from 2005-2014. 2014: 3 players out of 15 have a .5 PPG career average. 2013: 1 player out of 15 has a .5 PPG career average. 2012: 2 players out of 15 have a .5 PPG career average. 2011: 1 player out of 15 has a .5 PPG career average. 2010: 4 players out of 15 have a .5 PPG career average. 2009: 3 players out of 15 have a .5 PPG career average. 2008: 3 players out of 15 have a .5 PPG career average. 2007: 3 players out of 15 have a .5 PPG career average. 2006: 2 players out of 15 have a .5 PPG career average. 2005: 3 players out of 15 have a .5 PPG career average. From 2005-2014 a total of 63 players out of 150 possible picked from 16th-30th overall played more games than J.T. Miller has. Even considering that defenseman and goalies skew the numbers (as most aren’t high scoring) it’s at absolute best a 50/50 shot to get someone of J.T. Miller’s longevity of nhl career in the 16th-31st range of the draft as of now. He’s also likely to pass a lot of the players no longer in the league over the next 4 years too, making the chances of finding someone like J.T. Miller even lower. Going by the .5 PPG benchmark shrinks the chances further. This doesn’t even take into account the possibility of trading for any 1st round picks in the next year or two either. The question I pose to CDC: Would you give up at best a 1 in 2 chance to get someone with a career as long as J.T. Miller playing on the Canucks in 5 years or getting a guaranteed J.T. Miller with a bit more experience and a bonus harder to find .5 PPG career average now? I sure as hell would even taking into consideration he’s a couple years older then our prime group age. I’m excited to see what he can do with us! I swear CDC would choose the mystery box instead of the boat, because it COULD be a boat. Edited June 23, 2019 by StanleyCupOneDay 4 2 3 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6string Posted June 23, 2019 Share Posted June 23, 2019 37 minutes ago, Kanukfanatic said: I hope JB is going hard after Colin Miller in Vegas and Zaitsev. Both teams need to shed cap and we have room. This is not JBs strength but we need a couple D men like Miller and Zaitsev. Come on JB!!! Big no on Zaitsev, the Bruins in each of the last two playoffs proved he will not play heavy or raise his game when it counts. Miller is the obvious choice with an all rounded game from physicality to scoring, from regular season to post season ! 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baggins Posted June 23, 2019 Share Posted June 23, 2019 11 minutes ago, babalu said: Thanks for posting. I think he could fit in well to our top six. I do think we overpaid would have been happier with 2 2nds than the first and 3rd. Is it is what it is though so hopefully it works out. This should put team tank to rest as it will be better if we make the playoffs this year as the pick will be later. Hopefully we can add another top 6 forward and top 4 D as we currently don't seem to have the depth to contend. What doesn't seem to be factored in with this trade by many is Tampa didn't get our first in this draft. They may be waiting two years for it. You don't think the price should be a little higher when you may have to wait two years for the primary asset? The odds are in favor of them waiting on a bottom half first rounder while giving us two years to make the playoffs. We don't actually need to contend within two years, just improve enough to make the playoffs. But every good player added, whether through trade or free agency, gets us a step closer to contending. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YearoftheNuck Posted June 23, 2019 Share Posted June 23, 2019 I’m so stoked we got him, even if we did have to “pay the iron price” to land him lol. It’s time for our team to take the next step, and this is definitely a player that can help us do that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashian Kassian Posted June 23, 2019 Share Posted June 23, 2019 5 hours ago, WHL rocks said: That's ideal. But JB will be gone and new GM in if miss playoffs. Best thing is make playoffs both years and hope it's not a top 10 pick going to TBL If new GM comes in who knows what happens. He likely makes some changes. If a new GM comes in there won't be massive changes. The core is already in place, at that point he'll just be trying to add to that group. Except hopefully he's actually half decent on the pro-side. At this point it doesn't matter to me what happens with Jim. The asset management under this regime has been terrible, and now we have mortgaged the future. Personally I want to be in the playoffs, and if we give up next years pick atleast we've gotten over with rather than risking a lottery pick. But valuewise next years draft will be better than 2021 & we'll have another year to build the team, so from that standpoint I do hope it ends up being a 18-25 first rounder in 2021. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coryberg Posted June 23, 2019 Share Posted June 23, 2019 4 hours ago, Fakename70 said: You’re actually counting on “franchise cornerstone” (GMJB-speak) Brandon Sutter to be healthy enough to make a contribution and/or finish the season as a Canuck? Yikes! That’s setting the bar pretty low, bud. And, you really see Gaudette centering the 3rd line next year? You’re sure this is a playoff team if he is? I’m not. The term was "foundational player" I remember my first beer! 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Baggins Posted June 23, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted June 23, 2019 36 minutes ago, cuporbust said: Miller wont fail per say. Like most said , he is a good all around addition. Dont think many are arguing that, myself included. What most are saying is we got fleeced by a cap strapped team in terms of cost. Plain and simple to me. Once again, cash strapped or not, this was an easily moved asset that several teams would have interest in. There's no way they would get fleeced trading a quality player with no trade restrictions. Other teams that could use such a player aren't going to let another team get him for peanuts when they could easily offer more and still be in a reasonable price tag. Honestly, as a GM, would you let another team obtain a quality player for peanuts, that you could use, simply because the team moving him needed cap space? 1 2 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashian Kassian Posted June 23, 2019 Share Posted June 23, 2019 (edited) This thread is crazy. From the doubters (like myself) melting down early, to the pro-Benning crowd acting as if nothing has happened. Here's the situation from my perspective. The asset management has been HORRIBLE under this regime first and foremost. Which is a compounding issue adding to why this risk is a tough one to swallow. The 2nd worst team in the NHL the 4 season hasn't even tried to add a 1st round pick. They haven't even entertained the idea. That's why reading comments like 'some people just want us to draft an entire team' is maddening! They should've been adding assets long ago! Rather than trying to cut every corner! That's why we are coming into this draft, after 4 years of being a doormat of the league, with basically the allotted number of picks over that time frame. If they had added assets, used cap space, sold off veterans, this would've been way more palatable. Jim Benning's drafting & luck with lottery picks is the only thing saving him. Just imagine if we had Cody Glass instead of Pettersson how things would look. The team has missed the playoffs 4 straight years, the prospect pool lacks depth, the NHL roster lacks depth, and we are behind in draft picks. Those are the facts of the matter. I love adding JT Miller from an on ice perspective, he's a great fit for what we need. And quite frankly I think a late 1st rounder is certainly fair value for that player. But he's not an elite player & there's definite risk with where our team is at. That's hard to look past. Hoping for the best. And FTR: I don't blame this all on Jim, I think he's a decent hockey guy. Ownership's likely had control of the directive for years now. Edited June 23, 2019 by Smashian Kassian 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammertime Posted June 23, 2019 Share Posted June 23, 2019 JT is a beauty of this is the price for a top 6 player w size and grit on a cap friendly contract who can also play C hmmm I'm pretty ok with it. This deal signals the rebuild is over and JB is now invested in contending. What's not to like? We still have cap to spare. The UFA market is nutz I'd pay 5 and change for a 50-60 pt 20 goal scorer every day of the week. We just got a lot better here. And with Podkolzin, Hoglander, Lind, Gadjovich, Gaudette, Linus, Madden comming we stand to be able to continue to inject cap controlled youth into the lineup as depth for years to come. I'd do Jake and Juolevi straight up for JT every day 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook007 Posted June 23, 2019 Share Posted June 23, 2019 (edited) 11 hours ago, IRR said: I’ve been a Canucks fan since 1988. I’ve spent years & years reading this forum, but never posting on this forum. This is the first time. While I appreciate that everyone is entitled to their opinion and are entitled to criticize things this organization does, I’m extremely tired of the constant negativity / ignorance from the sports media and a large portion of the fan base. I feel like they’re looking for perfection across the organization and even if that was the case (which is impossible), the negativity / ignorance would still happen. Even the best organizations, GM’s, coaches, players etc are not perfect. There’s ups and downs and there’s wins and loses in every aspect of the organization. I hope that Miller and the team kill it next year and shove it down everyone’s throats...for Jims sake, for Travis sake, for the players sake, for the teams sake and mostly for the fans sake...especially the fans that deserve it most! There’s a huge difference between being knowledgeable (understanding) / positive feedback (criticism) and constant negativity / ignorance! Onwards and upwards!!! Edited June 23, 2019 by spook007 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6string Posted June 23, 2019 Share Posted June 23, 2019 It's about 2:00 am and we still have Black Operations 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coryberg Posted June 23, 2019 Share Posted June 23, 2019 11 minutes ago, Smashian Kassian said: hasn't even tried to add a 1st round pick. They haven't even entertained the idea. You should add your brain damaged conjecture at the bottom of your wall of text so that people have to read the whole thing before seeing how full of crap you are. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashian Kassian Posted June 23, 2019 Share Posted June 23, 2019 (edited) 2 minutes ago, coryberg said: You should add your brain damaged conjecture at the bottom of your wall of text so that people have to read the whole thing before seeing how full of crap you are. Ah yes, personal insults rather than any kind of response. So how am I wrong? 'We think we can turn this thing around quickly' - Jim Benning 2014. Edited June 23, 2019 by Smashian Kassian 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
messier's_elbow Posted June 23, 2019 Share Posted June 23, 2019 This trade isn’t nearly as bad as some are making it out to be, but as a rule I would never trade a first round pick unless it was for a young star. JT is good but he’s not a star as of now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6string Posted June 23, 2019 Share Posted June 23, 2019 0200 hours time to move in.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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