Popular Post luckylager Posted February 18, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted February 18, 2020 11 minutes ago, Alflives said: Fifty years of watching our team trade away futures in hopes of just making the playoffs makes some fans a bit jaded I guess. We finally have two young phenoms at the same time and in the two most important positions for building a cup contender around, and our owner (with JB’s doing) loses patience. Why not wait for our young core to mature to where they are ready to compete for Cups before trading away for support players and signing expensive UFAs? Because part of developing a contender is playoff experience. You acknowledge we have the young pieces. We also have the best prospect pool we've ever had. It's a good trade, Alf. I'm loving it more and more with each passing minute. Were you expecting Miller to make the impact he has? I wasn't. Toffoli could add just as much or more to our top six than Miller has. 2 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post N4ZZY Posted February 18, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted February 18, 2020 1 minute ago, Alflives said: Physically and emotionally getting strong enough to lead their support players to championships. Look how long it took the Twins to get there. Some guys get there sooner, but mostly it’s in the early 20’s (22,23) for truly top players. Even JB said Cups are won by teams with guys leading the charge who are 26 on average. Why he’s going all in over this last year is strange, considering our two key players are 20 and 21, and still maturing physically and emotionally. Okay. But the Twins took a really long time to get to where I'd say statistically, Petterson, Boeser, Hughes even are already at in their early twenties. Maturity also depends on experience too, and the team and organization cannot be wasting prime years of some of these players before making it to the postseason. They are getting there now, which is great because they're still so young. They need the experience, but they also need success in the postseason. Toffoli helps them with that goal and pursuit. Imagine they win a round this year (unexpected of course), they will take that experience and apply it to next year, when some of the rookies will be coming in (i.e Höglander, Podkolzin, etc). If EP40, Brock, Horvat, Hughes never experience the postseason until they're in the mid to late 20's, that might be too late. In my opinion, the team is maturing now. I'm curious to see what the team does. In my books, the Canucks are an up and coming team. That's exciting to be a part of. 2 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Great 8 Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 2 minutes ago, N7Nucks said: I mean. Coleman is having a similar year point wise to Toffoli and has one more year at 1.8mil. But overall I agree we got a far more proven player for much cheaper. I am not saying Toffoli will leave for sure but him being a UFA likely got us a better deal than Tampa paid for Coleman. Even with that said I wouldn't have done more than Foote or our 1st rounder for Coleman. Lol. Not both. Oh I didn’t realize he had an additional year. It’s not as bad as I initially thought but it’s still pretty bad haha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 3 minutes ago, Sbriggs said: When in 50 years other than now has Vancouver ever had futures to trade away? I'm probably not as old as you Alf but I have never seen the cupboards so full to be able to make a move like moving a 4th round pick to sweeten a deal to add a top six winger to our team without hurting our stuffed cupboards of prospects. Maybe you can tell me the time I am missing in out 50 year history please. I agree that the prospect pool has never been so full or so deep. And maybe too JB sensed (because of Madden’s need to get bigger, and our top three centres being so young still) that Madden was going to stay in school, mature physically, and go to UFA status, where he could pick a team his chances to play would be realistic? You guys are helping me see the blue and green light of good in this trade. now about our coach... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post luckylager Posted February 18, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted February 18, 2020 3 minutes ago, Me_ said: Hockeyman Benning does a hockey trade. I feel we just got another Miller-type player. I mean: JT Miller - 26yrs old - 6’1” - 218lbs 494GP - 117G - 177A - 294 Pts Tyler Toffoli - 27yrs old - 6’0” - 197lbs 515GP - 139G - 151A - 290Pts ...I mean... Nice. I was just thinking the same thing 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Me_ Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 1 hour ago, kingofsurrey said: Dangerous gamble. The fans will be very unhappy if we gave up a top prospect for a rental in a non playoff season..... so... may as well not try? This team has the potential of getting back Boeser, Motte, Fantenberg And possible Tryamkin. This team is set for a beautiful learning curve during the playoffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Sbriggs Posted February 18, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted February 18, 2020 6 minutes ago, Alflives said: Physically and emotionally getting strong enough to lead their support players to championships. Look how long it took the Twins to get there. Some guys get there sooner, but mostly it’s in the early 20’s (22,23) for truly top players. Even JB said Cups are won by teams with guys leading the charge who are 26 on average. Why he’s going all in over this last year is strange, considering our two key players are 20 and 21, and still maturing physically and emotionally. Moving Madden is not going all in Alf 2 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeremyCuddles Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 Just now, luckylager said: Because part of developing a contender is playoff experience. You acknowledge we have the young pieces. We also have the best prospect pool we've ever had. It's a good trade, Alf. I'm loving it more and more with each passing minute. Were you expecting Miller to make the impact he has? I wasn't. Toffoli could add just as much or more to our top six than Miller has. Point per game player with physicality? I doubt Toffoli does as much as Miller has for us. But I agree this is a great deal and I can't see why people are looking at this so negatively. Unless Toffoli for whatever reason can't click with the Canucks this trade is a big win. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devron Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 (edited) 0 love for Schaller. No wish you the best man? haha Honestly though he wasn’t the worst. We’ve had worse in our top 9 in recent years -cough- willie D Era I hope he continues his career in the NHL. And I’m sure he gave it his all in a Canuck Uniform Edited February 18, 2020 by Devron44 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sbriggs Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 2 minutes ago, Alflives said: I agree that the prospect pool has never been so full or so deep. And maybe too JB sensed (because of Madden’s need to get bigger, and our top three centres being so young still) that Madden was going to stay in school, mature physically, and go to UFA status, where he could pick a team his chances to play would be realistic? You guys are helping me see the blue and green light of good in this trade. now about our coach... Its hard to teach old guys new tricks, see the light my friend. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckylager Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 1 minute ago, N7Nucks said: Point per game player with physicality? I doubt Toffoli does as much as Miller has for us. But I agree this is a great deal and I can't see why people are looking at this so negatively. Unless Toffoli for whatever reason can't click with the Canucks this trade is a big win. Their career stats are almost identical. Miller has a slight edge. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHL rocks Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 (edited) 26 minutes ago, Me_ said: Hockeyman Benning does a hockey trade. I feel we just got another Miller-type player. I mean: JT Miller - 26yrs old - 6’1” - 218lbs 494GP - 117G - 177A - 294 Pts Tyler Toffoli - 27yrs old - 6’0” - 197lbs 515GP - 139G - 151A - 290Pts ...I mean... Very good trade for both teams. It's a win win trade. But if JB can get Toffoli re signed here on a reasonable contract it would be a Canucks win. I think if it takes 5.5 mill to 6 mill per year for 5 year term JB does it. Toffoli is not the fastest guy I wouldn't wanna go to 7 yrs with him. He'll be 34 by the end of that. Pbbly not be very good the last 2 yrs. Edit: typo Edited February 18, 2020 by WHL rocks 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeremyCuddles Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 2 minutes ago, Devron44 said: 0 love for Schaller. No wish you the best man? haha Honestly though he wasn’t the worst. We’ve had worse in our top 9 in recent years -cough- willie D. I hope he continues his career in the NHL. And I’m sure he gave it his all in a Canuck Uniform How is it Willie D's fault he had no good players to play in the top 9? Lol. That feels like a management thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6YPE Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 Just think about how everyone was losing it when JB traded for Miller... this could very well turn out to be a similar situation... no ones complaining now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sbriggs Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 5 minutes ago, Me_ said: so... may as well not try? This team has the potential of getting back Boeser, Motte, Fantenberg And possible Tryamkin. This team is set for a beautiful learning curve during the playoffs. Great reply but remind him Madden is a B prospect at best 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 Just in time to face the Bruins. Hope he’s got a second hat trick in him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gawdzukes Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 Just saw this and assume people are freaking out but I can see the reasoning. The second isn't that big of a deal, hopefully we get it back. Schaller is good to get rid of. Madden does sting but he just got hurt and might be out for the year, making the likely-hood of him staying in school another year pretty high. He's also only 150lbs and may be 3-4 years away, who knows? After next year we'll have Bo, Petey, Gaudette, Boeser, Pearson, Miller, and Virtanen occupying spots with Roussel, Podkolzin, Hoglander, MacEwen, Lind, any UFA's in two FA periods and now Toffoli. Not sure this guy makes the NHL right away or at all given his size. Definitely a big price to pay with a favorite prospect, though it definitely could work out really well if he clicks with the team and re-signs a decent contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Outsiders Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 First thing I thought when I saw what the Canucks gave up was.... No way Benning does this deal without knowing he is going to resign. To me that is why Jimbo made this trade. So I'm not worried about what we gave up. JB got his guy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N4ZZY Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 4 minutes ago, N7Nucks said: Point per game player with physicality? I doubt Toffoli does as much as Miller has for us. But I agree this is a great deal and I can't see why people are looking at this so negatively. Unless Toffoli for whatever reason can't click with the Canucks this trade is a big win. I think the concern that fans have is that Toffoli is going to be UFA after this season, the chances of him walking is, presumably, quite high. How are the Canucks going to afford his salary and cap hit? He's probably going to want to be paid quite handsomely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 2 minutes ago, Sbriggs said: Its hard to teach old guys new tricks, see the light my friend. Thanks for the patience Sbriggs, and taking the time to explain the merits of this trade and the philosophy behind what JB is doing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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