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DEFENSE & ENERGY IS THE PROBLEM

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Ok so I totally agree with everyone saying erikkson roussel and Sutter need to be benched/Scratched and that's a no brainer. Are you guys forgetting when edler was injured we went on a little streak? The man is old he skates slow and doesn't complete his checks. Huge gap that needs to be filled and when guys like edler are out on the PPK it's KILLING US. The man has aged and cannot skate at an NHL level. He struggles to get to loose pucks to clear and he's running out of energy getting there. The vets are hurting us. Let's shake this team up bring in Bailey , Boucher or even goldobin  and start BENN or maybe Rafferty?. If we fighting for a spot we need some energy in this group. With toffolli it was an ALL IN for making a run for the playoffs so coaching staff needs to step the heck up and just do what's best for the group. We getting pounded 40 shots per game. Fans need to stop pointing fingers at goalies. Markstrom was a blessing but our defense is absolutely drilling us right now. We are lost puppies in our own zone. Greens such a joke can't believe he can't see this.

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none of those guys you mentioned are an upgrade on the players in question. 

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We only have so many call ups remaining. The team needs to have a closed door players only meeting. Horvat needs to tear them a new one and light a fire. 

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Benn has been bad all this year, much worse than Edler.  Boucher can't skate worth squat at the NHL level so I don't know what you think he will do, he's a career AHLer.  

 

I would like to see Bailey get a legit shot to see what he could do in a top 9 role but with only 3 callups left you have to be smart with them incase we get hit with the injury bug quickly.

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Benn and Fantenberg haven't been that good all year. Fantenberg was on a nice little stretch before his injury, and since returning, hasn't been effective. Can only cycle between the two of them so much.

 

-Obviously Quinn has been a beast this year.

-Edler is an aging vet, but has been relatively solid - with the eye test, I don't see him being responsible for many of the goals against.

-Tanev, healthy for the first time ever, is what he is. A defensive specialist who plays a simple game. I'm worried about paying him and having him on IR for half of the year in future. I feel like this year is an anomaly

-Myers is as advertised from his time in Buffalo and Winnipeg. Defensively not all that good, but brings some puck-moving ability. At least they're using him on PP2 now instead of Edler on PP1 and Hughes on PP2.

-Stecher is solid for a #6. Battles hard, but obviously isn't the biggest guy and doesn't bring much offense. Is it time to take a chance on some offensive youth instead? (Rafferty? Juolevi)

 

2020-21:

Edler (not going anywhere) - _________________

Hughes - _______________

Tryamkin (signed out of KHL hopefully) - Myers (?; played horribly with Hughes and Edler this year)

________________ - __________________

 

Let Tanev go? Let Fantenburg go?

Trade Stecher? Trade Benn?'

Call-up Rafferty? Call-up Juolevi?

 

Have another opportunity to replace half the defense again next year, after doing so this year. Just depends on how much cap the Canucks have, and how much they want to transition to more youth.

 

 

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Two depleted teams just hammered us, so our standby injuries excuse won’t suffice there, Kumbaya. 
 

Heaven forbid someone dare criticize Benning here. 
Oh Lord, Kumbaya. 

 

Love the reactionaries after a big loss. Why wait though? 
Kumbaya. 

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18 minutes ago, Canadian said:

Benn and Fantenberg haven't been that good all year. Fantenberg was on a nice little stretch before his injury, and since returning, hasn't been effective. Can only cycle between the two of them so much.

 

-Obviously Quinn has been a beast this year.

-Edler is an aging vet, but has been relatively solid - with the eye test, I don't see him being responsible for many of the goals against.

-Tanev, healthy for the first time ever, is what he is. A defensive specialist who plays a simple game. I'm worried about paying him and having him on IR for half of the year in future. I feel like this year is an anomaly

-Myers is as advertised from his time in Buffalo and Winnipeg. Defensively not all that good, but brings some puck-moving ability. At least they're using him on PP2 now instead of Edler on PP1 and Hughes on PP2.

-Stecher is solid for a #6. Battles hard, but obviously isn't the biggest guy and doesn't bring much offense. Is it time to take a chance on some offensive youth instead? (Rafferty? Juolevi)

 

2020-21:

Edler (not going anywhere) - _________________

Hughes - _______________

Tryamkin (signed out of KHL hopefully) - Myers (?; played horribly with Hughes and Edler this year)

________________ - __________________

 

Let Tanev go? Let Fantenburg go?

Trade Stecher? Trade Benn?'

Call-up Rafferty? Call-up Juolevi?

 

Have another opportunity to replace half the defense again next year, after doing so this year. Just depends on how much cap the Canucks have, and how much they want to transition to more youth.

 

 

So Benning's big UFA defenseman signing is "defensively not all that good" and has "some puck-moving ability"..? Why on earth would Benning sign him then..? Probably could have had any # of other UFA d-men for $3m AAV or less.

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2 hours ago, Oregon.Duck said:

We only have so many call ups remaining. The team needs to have a closed door players only meeting. Horvat needs to tear them a new one and light a fire. 

What Horvat really needs to do is look in the mirror and be seriously pissed off. Forget about the "we" need to be better bullsh!t. He needs to say I failed to contain my opponent and that led to a goal. I screwed up and I need to play better. Take ownership of this crap, lead by example and challenge to other guys to get their stuff together or pack it in.

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2 hours ago, Canadian said:

Benn and Fantenberg haven't been that good all year. Fantenberg was on a nice little stretch before his injury, and since returning, hasn't been effective. Can only cycle between the two of them so much.

 

-Obviously Quinn has been a beast this year.

-Edler is an aging vet, but has been relatively solid - with the eye test, I don't see him being responsible for many of the goals against.

-Tanev, healthy for the first time ever, is what he is. A defensive specialist who plays a simple game. I'm worried about paying him and having him on IR for half of the year in future. I feel like this year is an anomaly

-Myers is as advertised from his time in Buffalo and Winnipeg. Defensively not all that good, but brings some puck-moving ability. At least they're using him on PP2 now instead of Edler on PP1 and Hughes on PP2.

-Stecher is solid for a #6. Battles hard, but obviously isn't the biggest guy and doesn't bring much offense. Is it time to take a chance on some offensive youth instead? (Rafferty? Juolevi)

 

2020-21:

Edler (not going anywhere) - _________________

Hughes - _______________

Tryamkin (signed out of KHL hopefully) - Myers (?; played horribly with Hughes and Edler this year)

________________ - __________________

 

Let Tanev go? Let Fantenburg go?

Trade Stecher? Trade Benn?'

Call-up Rafferty? Call-up Juolevi?

 

Have another opportunity to replace half the defense again next year, after doing so this year. Just depends on how much cap the Canucks have, and how much they want to transition to more youth.

 

 

Nice recap of our current D group - agree with most of what you posted. It really is a weak point of the team, and I think some of the forward combos are designed because of the back-end weakness. 

 

 

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Toffoli was not all in for the playoffs, he essentially replaced Boeser. I don’t know why people keep referring to that. Basically Benning even said a better chance to make the playoffs.
 

We are still in the thick of things. I have reason to believe they will make the playoffs.

 

The bring in Bailey etc is just non sense. Bailey couldn’t crack a crappy Sabres lineup, why would he ours.

 

Having said that, I expect a couple young players replacing a couple vets next year 

 

God this fan base is so reactive

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Pearson- Miller - Toffoli
Virtanen- Petey - Boeser

Hoglander- Horvat-Podkolzin

Leivo-Gaudette-MacEwan

 

Hughes-Tanev
Edler-Myers
Tryamkin-Stecher

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The Problems with the Canucks are obvious to everyone outside of coaching and management.

 

- Ericcson   6 Million Cap for a guy that belongs in AHL / SEL / Retired
- Sutter       4.75 Million for the (only) softest Sutter that does almost nothing, ever.
-Beagle      3M for zero goals , zero hits , zero fights
-Roussel    3M for stupid penalty's and nothing else
-Ferland     Terrible due diligence , dude is done playing pro hockey.

-Benn        Plays smaller than Stecher , Benn's jacked but offers zero deterrence.  If he just punched the odd face he would be of some use.

 

-Head Office - Luongo recapture is an absolute farce.

 

If the canucks want to contend anytime soon the above needs to be off our books.
 

 

 

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4 hours ago, GritGrinder said:

So Benning's big UFA defenseman signing is "defensively not all that good" and has "some puck-moving ability"..? Why on earth would Benning sign him then..? Probably could have had any # of other UFA d-men for $3m AAV or less.

We signed him because he can sometimes elevate his game with intensity and is a large body.... but the primary reason is he was putting up offensive numbers and has strong zone exits... at the time of the signing we had a declining Edler and a relatively unknown Hughes for offense from the defence. We signed Myers to give us some offense.. that's why.

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10 minutes ago, JayDangles said:

We signed him because he can sometimes elevate his game with intensity and is a large body.... but the primary reason is he was putting up offensive numbers and has strong zone exits... at the time of the signing we had a declining Edler and a relatively unknown Hughes for offense from the defence. We signed Myers to give us some offense.. that's why.

"sometimes" and "was"...he's on pace for 26pts and is having one of his worst offensive seasons even though he is getting 53% o-zone starts and will likely continue to decline as he ages over the next 4yrs at $6m. His #'s aren't that different than Ben Hutton's and he's making $1.5m and is 4 yrs younger. So if they signed Myers for his offense then its a terrible signing.

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14 minutes ago, GritGrinder said:

"sometimes" and "was"...he's on pace for 26pts and is having one of his worst offensive seasons even though he is getting 53% o-zone starts and will likely continue to decline as he ages over the next 4yrs at $6m. His #'s aren't that different than Ben Hutton's and he's making $1.5m and is 4 yrs younger. So if they signed Myers for his offense then its a terrible signing.

Well I wasn't saying I agree with the signing, just pointing out WHY we signed him.... also, your points are all valid, however they have the advantage of hindsight. Unfortunately, when signing a contract with a player, you're unable to predict the future, so therefore must pay based on the past. Unless your post is dated July 1, 2019, then you are simply pointing out things after the fact and criticizing something after the fact.

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6 minutes ago, JayDangles said:

Well I wasn't saying I agree with the signing, just pointing out WHY we signed him.... also, your points are all valid, however they have the advantage of hindsight. Unfortunately, when signing a contract with a player, you're unable to predict the future, so therefore must pay based on the past. Unless your post is dated July 1, 2019, then you are simply pointing out things after the fact and criticizing something after the fact.

I may be unable to predict the future but you would think an NHL GM and his assistants would be able to see that a 30yr old defenseman who's offense wasn't all that great to begin with would decline as he ages over the 5 years of the contract. Also, there were plenty of people criticizing this signing July 1st and continue to and basically they have been proven right. Myers plays a $2-$3m game yet is payed $6m ($7m actual salary this season).

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Dont forget myers joined the vaunted coaching trifecta that currently run the canucks bench... kinda hard to blame our defense for the offensive blackhole the canucks backend has been.

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