CanucksJay Posted March 15, 2015 Share Posted March 15, 2015 Personally I'm reserving judgement on Shinkaruk until next years AHL season. He wouldn't of even been AHL eligible if it wasn't for his late birthday, literally a difference of a month and a bit. I can think of a handful of guys who were a whole year younger than me and much bigger/stronger when I was 19/20. Add that to the fact he's not the strongest guy yet and ALSO he's coming off major shoulder surgery that held him to 18 games in junior last season and it's pretty impressive he's even been able to stick in the AHL. Because of his birthday he gets a gimme year to learn the pro game instead of going back junior and being a big producer (which he maybe should've). I believe it's better for him to have this one year to learn how to be a pro and play an all-around game. His current stats aren't even that bad considering his circumstance. Look for a big jump in his stats next year. Quality post. I was thrilled when we selected him and I'm still thrilled he's in our system. Can't believe people are writing him off or discounting his game already. I'm gonna get on the non-mobile to give you a +1 for that. People always like the shiny new toys and right now Baertschi is it. (I am guilty of that as well). Good posts. I actually think Shink and Baerstchi have a lot in common. I forget that Shink almost made the team in his draft year out of training camp. He showed a lot of hustle and skill. Him making the team would have been similar to Baertschi's 5 game stint in the NHL as a junior where he turned heads. Perhaps we are doing the right thing with Shinkauruk by letting his game season in the AHL where he can develop good 2 way game while playing guys that are all pretty much older than him. If we were as bad as Calgary, maybe he would have already had a taste in the NHL by now.. We're not yo-yoing him back and forth like Flames did to Sven and this may be better for Shink in the long run. I think we still need to give it a few more years to see how he will pan out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derp... Posted March 15, 2015 Share Posted March 15, 2015 He actually got a nice pass there. I don't think I've seen him receive a nice pass in a scoring area much lately, usually is trying to get there by himself. Good to see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amish Rake Fighter Posted March 15, 2015 Share Posted March 15, 2015 never believe this kid can ever be more than a tweener 3rd liner/ahl type guy. Saw it from the moment i watched him play in juniors. Sure he's very shifty n speedy but the guy i see taking a similar career path to a cory conacher type Bure to Mogilny has a new account Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baer. Posted March 15, 2015 Share Posted March 15, 2015 Bure to Mogilny has a new account Haha ever since this kid's first post, he's been consecutively failing at posting. Lmao look at his started threads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snizzle_ Posted March 15, 2015 Share Posted March 15, 2015 If he was born a month and a half later he would not be eligible for the AHL just like Bo. I think that was the point of the birthday excuse. Hunter was born late 1994 so he was drafted in 2013 instead of 2012. However he was only six weeks away from a 1995 birthday which changes his eligibility I don't want to nip pick but he was born on october 13th so that makes him 11 + weeks to be a 95' born. All a late birthday does is push your draft year 1 year later, it doesn't change how many seasons you play in major junior Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2inthecup Posted March 15, 2015 Share Posted March 15, 2015 I don't want to nip pick but he was born on october 13th so that makes him 11 + weeks to be a 95' born. All a late birthday does is push your draft year 1 year later, it doesn't change how many seasons you play in major junior The point of his age is that if he was born a couple months younger he would not be eligible to play In the AHL and would have been forced to do another junior year. Compare to Bo from the same draft had to play in junior or NHL while Hunter had the third option of the AHL. So when you look at his stats compared to other ahl rookies next year would be a more accurate comparison to his Peers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horvat Posted March 15, 2015 Share Posted March 15, 2015 People always like the shiny new toys and right now Baertschi is it. (I am guilty of that as well). Good posts. I actually think Shink and Baerstchi have a lot in common. I forget that Shink almost made the team in his draft year out of training camp. He showed a lot of hustle and skill. Him making the team would have been similar to Baertschi's 5 game stint in the NHL as a junior where he turned heads. Perhaps we are doing the right thing with Shinkauruk by letting his game season in the AHL where he can develop good 2 way game while playing guys that are all pretty much older than him. If we were as bad as Calgary, maybe he would have already had a taste in the NHL by now.. We're not yo-yoing him back and forth like Flames did to Sven and this may be better for Shink in the long run. I think we still need to give it a few more years to see how he will pan out. Untrue, in nhl12 fantasy draft be a gm mode he has 5 star potential... I knew Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plum Posted March 15, 2015 Share Posted March 15, 2015 Shinkaruk should be compared to other '94s because every year before their draft year they were organized by draft year not by a cutoff date in September. So guys like Radek Faksa, Brendan Gaunce, Mikhail Grigorenko, Scott Laughton, etc. I know everyone wants to use the hip surgery excuse but if he doesn't get back to his ways within 3-4 months well than that's a whole other thing to be concerned about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted March 15, 2015 Share Posted March 15, 2015 Shinkaruk should be compared to other '94s because every year before their draft year they were organized by draft year not by a cutoff date in September. So guys like Radek Faksa, Brendan Gaunce, Mikhail Grigorenko, Scott Laughton, etc. I know everyone wants to use the hip surgery excuse but if he doesn't get back to his ways within 3-4 months well than that's a whole other thing to be concerned about. What is 3 or 4 months based on? I'm pretty sure everyone has said, judge him by his next season after a full summer of training. And that's what I'm gonna do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sean Monahan Posted March 15, 2015 Share Posted March 15, 2015 http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/showthread.php?t=1477837 Now I'm not saying Hunter will break out at 27 and go on to win multiple Hart trophies or anything, I'm posting that simply to remind everybody that he's still WAY too young to be written off yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snizzle_ Posted March 15, 2015 Share Posted March 15, 2015 The point of his age is that if he was born a couple months younger he would not be eligible to play In the AHL and would have been forced to do another junior year. Compare to Bo from the same draft had to play in junior or NHL while Hunter had the third option of the AHL. So when you look at his stats compared to other ahl rookies next year would be a more accurate comparison to his Peers. This: Shinkaruk should be compared to other '94s because every year before their draft year they were organized by draft year not by a cutoff date in September. So guys like Radek Faksa, Brendan Gaunce, Mikhail Grigorenko, Scott Laughton, etc. I know everyone wants to use the hip surgery excuse but if he doesn't get back to his ways within 3-4 months well than that's a whole other thing to be concerned about. My argument is that he's a 1994 born and he's played the same amount of hockey (yes he had a shortenend final WHL season) as another other 1994 born who was drafted in either 2012 or 2013. There are many 1994 born players in the AHL who were drafted in 2013. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamJamIam Posted March 15, 2015 Share Posted March 15, 2015 Bure to Mogilny has a new account Either that or he's a Canuck fan that forgot to renew his valium prescription Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plum Posted March 15, 2015 Share Posted March 15, 2015 What is 3 or 4 months based on? I'm pretty sure everyone has said, judge him by his next season after a full summer of training. And that's what I'm gonna do. Why judge him on his next season? He's just making bad decisions out there on the ice and looks pretty bad to be honest. I don't think you can blame on he's playing right now on being injured. Yeah it's affecting his play but the way he's playing is not what I expected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted March 15, 2015 Share Posted March 15, 2015 Why judge him on his next season? He's just making bad decisions out there on the ice and looks pretty bad to be honest. I don't think you can blame on he's playing right now on being injured. Yeah it's affecting his play but the way he's playing is not what I expected. What does what you expected have to do with his development? You have no idea how he feels on the ice or how his recovery is affecting him. Why do people assume to have this grand insight on how a player is playing and the reasons why. How often do NHL players have an off season after going through major surgery? Why would a young player be any different? Judge him next season, because then there will be zero doubt whether it was his injury and lack of training that threw him off. Until then you're just assuming to know things that you can't possibly know. His timing being off and looking lost could most certainly be a direct result of poor conditioning. So like with every prospect you have to wait and see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plum Posted March 15, 2015 Share Posted March 15, 2015 What does what you expected have to do with his development? You have no idea how he feels on the ice or how his recovery is affecting him. Why do people assume to have this grand insight on how a player is playing and the reasons why. How often do NHL players have an off season after going through major surgery? Why would a young player be any different? Judge him next season, because then there will be zero doubt whether it was his injury and lack of training that threw him off. Until then you're just assuming to know things that you can't possibly know. His timing being off and looking lost could most certainly be a direct result of poor conditioning. So like with every prospect you have to wait and see. Well I mean it shouldn't take a guy a whole season to get back to his game. He was a really good player in junior, missed a whole season and some of the summer. That's tough, I gave him the whole season. It's okay for the first 3-4 months but I'm getting a little concerned that he hasn't looked much better since the start of the season. Not a bust obviously but I have some concern about how he's doing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peaches5 Posted March 15, 2015 Share Posted March 15, 2015 Well I mean it shouldn't take a guy a whole season to get back to his game. He was a really good player in junior, missed a whole season and some of the summer. That's tough, I gave him the whole season. It's okay for the first 3-4 months but I'm getting a little concerned that he hasn't looked much better since the start of the season. Not a bust obviously but I have some concern about how he's doing. He missed a year and then went into the AHL from junior plus he is pretty young turning 20 in October. Next year is the year to watch with Shinkaruk, he will get a full off-season of training. If he has a similar year next year yea I would start to be a little concerned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cripplereh Posted March 16, 2015 Share Posted March 16, 2015 A guy like him that has talent you have to give a break with what he went threw and yes after next year you will know what you have.Saying that he might surprise us all and make the team,then what are the doubters gonn say??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucksfollower1983 Posted March 16, 2015 Share Posted March 16, 2015 lol classic cdc calling a guy a bust before his 20th birthday. Just because he is not ripping it up in the AHL in his first season doesn't mean he wont become the player we all hope he will. Give the guy more than 1 season before you write him off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dasein Posted March 16, 2015 Share Posted March 16, 2015 I don't think you can say anyone is wrong in having some concern over Hunter's development right now - there are legitimate reasons to be a little nervous despite it being his 1st pro season/him having missed a year of development He will always be judged, like everyone else, on what he's doing now - and that does raise some concerns Just because someone is concerned doesn't mean that they are labelling him a bust (although there are a few who do on CDC) - I think most who are concerned are genuinely just worried but still carry hope that he can bounce back next season because he is still young Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dilettante Posted March 16, 2015 Share Posted March 16, 2015 It's getting ridiculous how much our top prospects in Utica are getting written off. When I look at the team's overall stats and Travis Green's comments, I really am circumspect to say that guy's like Shinkaruk, Jensen etc. are busts because they haven't been racking up points. Nobody in Utica is even in the top 20, point scorers in the AHL. The closest is Cal O'Reilly at 22. Regardless, most of the top guys in Utica and the AHL that are piling up points seem to be lifelong AHL guys, or at least guys who have been there for at least 2 years, many of them going into their 3rd or 4th. Besides, going by Travis Green's comments, it seems like he's more inclined to teach prospects how to play defence first. He barely gives any power play time to top prospects and his line combinations don't seem to give them a chance to play with each other and benefit of their talent. Instead they're stuck playing with guys who are never going to make it into the NHL, unless they're plugging due to injuries . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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