Sikhguy23 Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 Why does the Virtanen thread always turn into a $&!# show? He's doing what everyone wanted him to, he's DEVELOPING and showing PROGRESSION. He is showing he can be a player that can be relied on in the offensive and defensive zone, throws a hard hit or 3 every game, and pots a goal every once in a while. So far this year he is enjoying the fruits of his labor. Everybody chill and just watch this he-man develop, and hopefully one day he proves he can be a top 6 pwf. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucker 67 Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 (edited) Jake has taken another step in his development, already at 10 goals before Christmas. His play-making has improved, he's seeing the ice a bit better and making smarter passes. Now he's showing he can be relied upon late in a game, scoring the game winner with under 2 minutes left was great. It's taken some time, but Jake is turning into a good power forward. Still not sure he should've been taken at #6, but he now looks like a first rounder, and he's getting better. I'm thinking, going forward, Jake could produce 25+ goals a season. Edited December 12, 2018 by NUCKER67 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuckistani Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 12 minutes ago, Sikhguy23 said: Why does the Virtanen thread always turn into a $&!# show? He's doing what everyone wanted him to, he's DEVELOPING and showing PROGRESSION. He is showing he can be a player that can be relied on in the offensive and defensive zone, throws a hard hit or 3 every game, and pots a goal every once in a while. So far this year he is enjoying the fruits of his labor. Everybody chill and just watch this he-man develop, and hopefully one day he proves he can be a top 6 pwf. Because those who are saying 'relax, he is developing well, lets watch the show instead of hyping the kid' are offending the 'yay, we love the home-town kid, how dare you say he isn't a key, integral,vital, irreplacable part of the Canucks'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ForsbergTheGreat Posted December 12, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted December 12, 2018 43 minutes ago, Sikhguy23 said: Why does the Virtanen thread always turn into a $&!# show? He's doing what everyone wanted him to, he's DEVELOPING and showing PROGRESSION. He is showing he can be a player that can be relied on in the offensive and defensive zone, throws a hard hit or 3 every game, and pots a goal every once in a while. So far this year he is enjoying the fruits of his labor. Everybody chill and just watch this he-man develop, and hopefully one day he proves he can be a top 6 pwf. The worst part of this is that he’s causing me to waste so many good beers. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dpn1 Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 1 hour ago, canuckistani said: You sure its the way he dresses and not his "boeser-like' 'flow' hair ? Fop is a term from 15th and 16th century. It refers to a man who dresses in a fancy flowery fashion and acts in a feminine manor. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 2 hours ago, canuckistani said: Don't care for on-pace stats. They mean nothing, outside of fantasy league crap. Getting critical shut-down minutes without being on the PK is a bit of a joke, really. Also, less than half a season for a 4th year guy, is hardly a 'now' stat. For all we know, this is Jake 'streaking' and he may slow down and score 10 whole points for rest of the year. I prefer to wait and see and if Jake can show he is bringing his current form to the table for a season and half or two, i will be glad to acknowledge him as a key member. For now, the sample is just too small and not normalized. so a glass half empty feller.... OK so then tied in goals with guys like Nugent-Hopkins. No getting end of game minutes is not a joke. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Attila Umbrus Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 47 minutes ago, ForsbergTheGreat said: The worst part of this is that he’s causing me to waste so many good beers. If JV becomes a 20-30 goal scorer breweries all over BC will rejoice!! 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dpn1 Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 (edited) I have been a fan of the shotgun thing but I have to admit last night I had no beer but guzzled my rum and eggnog in about 3 seconds. My Baptist conscience wanted to make sure I wasn't deceiving anyone. I'll make sure I get more beer today. Edited December 12, 2018 by dpn1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Putgolzin Posted December 12, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted December 12, 2018 3 hours ago, canuckistani said: Jake of TODAY, is not a vital piece of the puzzle. Simple. Jake of YESTERDAY was a vital piece of the puzzle. 3 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Putgolzin Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, canuckistani said: Because those who are saying 'relax, he is developing well, lets watch the show instead of hyping the kid' are offending the 'yay, we love the home-town kid, how dare you say he isn't a key, integral,vital, irreplacable part of the Canucks'. But you’re not just saying “relax let’s watch him develop”. That part of your take is defendable. The part that isn’t is the part that says if we could only choose 3 of Beagle, Roussel, Eriksson and Virtanen - ‘paucity of data’ forces you to choose Beagle and Roussel and then debate between Virtanen and Eriksson Edited December 12, 2018 by nzan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Warhippy Posted December 12, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted December 12, 2018 (edited) OK let's see if In can bridge the divide here. Admittedly I have been guilty of being too harsh on some for being so anti Virtanen so let's see if I can be a better person than I have Were Ehlers and Nylander the better picks? Yes, it looks like they might be better point producing players and top 6 wingers. Are they the more EFFECTIVE players though? While they seem to be productive based on their point totals alone in playoff hockey, the points they produced seem to come from games that were won very handily by their teams, where as in games they lost or that were close their production was entirely limited while players similar to Virtanen produced fairly evenly. I dare say that Virtanen is still improving, but also when it counts is the more effective player. A 70 point winger is all well and good. But no team in the history of the NHL has won without muckers, grinders and hard nosed wingers. I think when it all shakes out Virtanen will prove to be the more effective player when it all matters over the "better pick" Because like it or not, what happened THEN will never be as important as what is happening now or will happen. Because what happened THEN is all fans of teams like Toronto and Edmonton seem to have while what happens now and will happen are all that matter for a team building itself to contention. Jake is just one piece of the puzzle and maybe with Ehlers or Nylander, we never draft DiPietro, Hughes, Petterson, Woo or Boeser? Things happen for reasons. Edited December 12, 2018 by Warhippy 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForsbergTheGreat Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 31 minutes ago, dpn1 said: I have been a fan of the shotgun thing but I have to admit last night I had no beer but guzzled my rum and eggnog in about 3 seconds. My Baptist conscience wanted to make sure I wasn't deceiving anyone. I'll make sure I get more beer today. I had just bought some fernie brewing co. snowblind IPA and boy was it not pleasant trying to shotgun. Great tasting beer though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuckistani Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 46 minutes ago, nzan said: But you’re not just saying “relax let’s watch him develop”. That part of your take is defendable. The part that isn’t is the part that says if we could only choose 3 of Beagle, Roussel, Eriksson and Virtanen - ‘paucity of data’ forces you to choose Beagle and Roussel and then debate between Virtanen and Eriksson Um yea. I still favor Beagle + Roussell over Virtanen based on raw performance only. They are more vital to the team as of now. If Virtanen keeps developing, he will supplant them. But that day isn't here yet. 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Kushman Posted December 12, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted December 12, 2018 4 minutes ago, canuckistani said: Um yea. I still favor Beagle + Roussell over Virtanen based on raw performance only. They are more vital to the team as of now. If Virtanen keeps developing, he will supplant them. But that day isn't here yet. You're either a Fedor fedorov clone troll or you're just terrible at analyzing hockey and players. I hope you're just a troll because reading your posts throughout this thread gives me a headache. 1 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boudrias Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 3 hours ago, NUCKER67 said: Jake has taken another step in his development, already at 10 goals before Christmas. His play-making has improved, he's seeing the ice a bit better and making smarter passes. Now he's showing he can be relied upon late in a game, scoring the game winner with under 2 minutes left was great. It's taken some time, but Jake is turning into a good power forward. Still not sure he should've been taken at #6, but he now looks like a first rounder, and he's getting better. I'm thinking, going forward, Jake could produce 25+ goals a season. Jake creates space through the neutral zone as d-men are forced to drop back faster as he has the speed to blow by them. That helps his game but also helps his line mates. The other aspect of his game is his ozone puck possession ability. Not only is he retrieving the puck but once he has it opposing players cannot get it away from him. Jake could easily get 25 goals this year which would be great but I expect more from him after this season. You can see how he is reading plays now which he was not last year. While he will get his share of goals I expect Jake will really start adding the assists. His pass over to Horvat in Nashville(?) was a beaut. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kootenay Gold Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 Jake is becoming the player I hoped he could be. His progression may seem to slow for some of the posters on CDC but he is exactly the type of hard to play against power forward that every team covets when they are in the playoff hunt. Acquiring or drafting another power forward with similar attributes like Jake would speed up the rebuild immensely IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nancouver Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 1 hour ago, canuckistani said: Um yea. I still favor Beagle + Roussell over Virtanen based on raw performance only. They are more vital to the team as of now. If Virtanen keeps developing, he will supplant them. But that day isn't here yet. Lol, let me guess, you cringe every time jake scores as it won’t fit your little narrative which you’ve probably been clinging to since the day he was drafted because you were an ”ehlers guy”? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanukfanatic Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 5 hours ago, canuckistani said: Don't care for on-pace stats. They mean nothing, outside of fantasy league crap. Getting critical shut-down minutes without being on the PK is a bit of a joke, really. Also, less than half a season for a 4th year guy, is hardly a 'now' stat. For all we know, this is Jake 'streaking' and he may slow down and score 10 whole points for rest of the year. I prefer to wait and see and if Jake can show he is bringing his current form to the table for a season and half or two, i will be glad to acknowledge him as a key member. For now, the sample is just too small and not normalized. Wowza. You sure have some in depth analysis and a very strong opinion that Jake may or may not ever get better. What NHL team are you a scout for? Right......lol. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanukfanatic Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 5 hours ago, canuckistani said: 1. Past is definitely more important than future, since past is proven, future is an unknown. Same reason why people hire for experience over non-experience. 2. Virtanen outscoring them for less than half a season is not relevant to me, since i consider it 'paucity of data'. I don't really care if he outscores them, so long as his performance is in the same ball-park, consistently for a season and half or two, i will be glad to tout him. The sample needs to be much,much larger than 40% of a single season for any conclusions to be driven that cannot just be overriden by 'hot streak/luck/unlucky' arguments. Stopped reading the drivel. Doesn't matter if he outscores them.......Hahaha. I have been wrong for decades. I thought hockey had to do with scoring. Thanks for the clarification stan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanukfanatic Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 2 hours ago, nzan said: Jake of YESTERDAY was a vital piece of the puzzle. Quote of the day nzan!!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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