Makaramel MacKhiato Posted May 31, 2021 Share Posted May 31, 2021 10 hours ago, Fred65 said: Surely, surely the master scouting guru would have picked this up in the scouting combine. This kids second choice of careers is not as a physicist All those meetings, the in depth reviews with past coaches and teachers etc etc apparently failed to recognize his IQ. JB was all over this kid as Vcr next gift to hockey (90) Canucks draft meeting: Jake Virtanen - All Access - YouTube That meeting makes him sound like an Evander Kane type player. We got all the hassle of a Kane-like player... but not the production 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N4ZZY Posted May 31, 2021 Share Posted May 31, 2021 13 hours ago, Fred65 said: Surely, surely the master scouting guru would have picked this up in the scouting combine. This kids second choice of careers is not as a physicist All those meetings, the in depth reviews with past coaches and teachers etc etc apparently failed to recognize his IQ. JB was all over this kid as Vcr next gift to hockey (90) Canucks draft meeting: Jake Virtanen - All Access - YouTube How wrong they were. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post JM_ Posted May 31, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted May 31, 2021 (edited) 18 hours ago, Fred65 said: Surely, surely the master scouting guru would have picked this up in the scouting combine. This kids second choice of careers is not as a physicist All those meetings, the in depth reviews with past coaches and teachers etc etc apparently failed to recognize his IQ. JB was all over this kid as Vcr next gift to hockey (90) Canucks draft meeting: Jake Virtanen - All Access - YouTube is it IQ? I mean look at Ferland, no one is mistaking him for a rocket surgeon, but the guy is all heart and does/did what needed doing. How do you test for that with 17 year old kids? Edited May 31, 2021 by Jimmy McGill 2 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewbieCanuckFan Posted May 31, 2021 Share Posted May 31, 2021 7 minutes ago, Jimmy McGill said: is it IQ? I mean look at Ferland, no one is mistaking him for a rocket surgeon, but the guy is all heart and does/did what needed doing. How do you test for that with 17 year old kids? When the league lets you take runs at players without calling infractions (like Ferland did against us in the postseason), you can have an IQ of below 50 and still be quite effective. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Kootenay Gold Posted May 31, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted May 31, 2021 13 minutes ago, Jimmy McGill said: is it IQ? I mean look at Ferland, no one is mistaking him for a rocket surgeon, but the guy is all heart and does/did what needed doing. How do you test for that with 17 year old kids? I think you have brought up an interesting take and one that seems to be overlooked. If you just go by IQ; it is just a measure of overall intelligence and does not delve into specific areas that are below average or above average. Not sure you can properly evaluate general IQ to the ability to process or excel in certain areas. A good example would be an accountant trying to figure out what is wrong with the motor in his vehicle if he has little to no mechanical aptitude or a mechanic trying to figure out a complex accounting procedure when he was not very good at math but exceptional when working with his hands in a mechanical setting. Jake is not the first player taken in the 1st round to not pan out nor will he be the last. Drafting players is just an educated crap shoot and no pick is guaranteed to be a home run. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted May 31, 2021 Share Posted May 31, 2021 40 minutes ago, Kootenay Gold said: I think you have brought up an interesting take and one that seems to be overlooked. If you just go by IQ; it is just a measure of overall intelligence and does not delve into specific areas that are below average or above average. Not sure you can properly evaluate general IQ to the ability to process or excel in certain areas. A good example would be an accountant trying to figure out what is wrong with the motor in his vehicle if he has little to no mechanical aptitude or a mechanic trying to figure out a complex accounting procedure when he was not very good at math but exceptional when working with his hands in a mechanical setting. Jake is not the first player taken in the 1st round to not pan out nor will he be the last. Drafting players is just an educated crap shoot and no pick is guaranteed to be a home run. 1 hour ago, NewbieCanuckFan said: When the league lets you take runs at players without calling infractions (like Ferland did against us in the postseason), you can have an IQ of below 50 and still be quite effective. what's really odd to me about Jake was his unwillingness to drive the net. He did it in junior, so why not in the NHL? If I could answer that I'd be a scout. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kootenay Gold Posted May 31, 2021 Share Posted May 31, 2021 2 minutes ago, Jimmy McGill said: what's really odd to me about Jake was his unwillingness to drive the net. He did it in junior, so why not in the NHL? If I could answer that I'd be a scout. Sad to say but that was probably a major selling point in him being picked 6th overall in the draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Rick Blight Posted May 31, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted May 31, 2021 1 hour ago, Jimmy McGill said: is it IQ? I mean look at Ferland, no one is mistaking him for a rocket surgeon, but the guy is all heart and does/did what needed doing. How do you test for that with 17 year old kids? Is a "rocket surgeon" smarter than a "rocket scientist"? 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewbieCanuckFan Posted May 31, 2021 Share Posted May 31, 2021 9 minutes ago, Jimmy McGill said: what's really odd to me about Jake was his unwillingness to drive the net. He did it in junior, so why not in the NHL? If I could answer that I'd be a scout. Can't blame Ron Delorme even though this is the geographical area under his jurisdiction. He was obviously in Sweden as he was the scout responsible for finding EP. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanucksJay Posted May 31, 2021 Share Posted May 31, 2021 19 hours ago, Fred65 said: Surely, surely the master scouting guru would have picked this up in the scouting combine. This kids second choice of careers is not as a physicist All those meetings, the in depth reviews with past coaches and teachers etc etc apparently failed to recognize his IQ. JB was all over this kid as Vcr next gift to hockey (90) Canucks draft meeting: Jake Virtanen - All Access - YouTube Pretty sure I heard this was an Aqualini pick lol Who knows whats true and whats not these days... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted May 31, 2021 Share Posted May 31, 2021 1 minute ago, Rick Blight said: Is a "rocket surgeon" smarter than a "rocket scientist"? its something we used to say in SK. Its somewhere between brain surgeon and rocket scientist. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Blight Posted May 31, 2021 Share Posted May 31, 2021 3 minutes ago, Jimmy McGill said: its something we used to say in SK. Its somewhere between brain surgeon and rocket scientist. Yeah okay, we don't have any of those. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted May 31, 2021 Share Posted May 31, 2021 1 minute ago, Rick Blight said: Yeah okay, we don't have any of those. I wonder who would be the smartest Canucks player ever? Larionov? there's a big tie at the bottom for dumb dumb. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Blight Posted May 31, 2021 Share Posted May 31, 2021 1 minute ago, Jimmy McGill said: I wonder who would be the smartest Canucks player ever? Larionov? there's a big tie at the bottom for dumb dumb. Larionov might be a pretty good choice. We've had Harvard graduates like Biega and Princeton graduates like Tanner Glass so you might have to throw players like that into the mix too. Only talking off-ice here............. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurn Posted May 31, 2021 Share Posted May 31, 2021 10 minutes ago, Jimmy McGill said: I wonder who would be the smartest Canucks player ever? Larionov? there's a big tie at the bottom for dumb dumb. Dr. Randy Gregg Several lawyers like Pat Quinn. College players like Brock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted May 31, 2021 Share Posted May 31, 2021 6 minutes ago, gurn said: Dr. Randy Gregg Several lawyers like Pat Quinn. College players like Brock very good choices there too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Blight Posted May 31, 2021 Share Posted May 31, 2021 29 minutes ago, Jimmy McGill said: what's really odd to me about Jake was his unwillingness to drive the net. He did it in junior, so why not in the NHL? If I could answer that I'd be a scout. Jimmy, I live in Calgary and probably saw Jake play about 20 games or so with the Hitmen and I am not sure I would agree with this sentiment. Jake would quite often come down the boards going through people because of his physical dominance but many times he would stay along the boards and circle the net just as he has done with the Canucks. He certainly took the puck to the net more often than he has done in the NHL but even back then there seemed to be a reluctance more often than not. I don't recall a lot of his goals for the Hitmen being from in tight around the net. As a disclaimer though, I am old and my memory may not be so good. LOL 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted May 31, 2021 Share Posted May 31, 2021 2 minutes ago, Rick Blight said: Jimmy, I live in Calgary and probably saw Jake play about 20 games or so with the Hitmen and I am not sure I would agree with this sentiment. Jake would quite often come down the boards going through people because of his physical dominance but many times he would stay along the boards and circle the net just as he has done with the Canucks. He certainly took the puck to the net more often than he has done in the NHL but even back then there seemed to be a reluctance more often than not. I don't recall a lot of his goals for the Hitmen being from in tight around the net. As a disclaimer though, I am old and my memory may not be so good. LOL ah OK thanks for that. I never saw him in person in juniors. Curious that we can look back now tho and see the issue. I've said it before, I don't envy NHL scouts. It must be so easy to see what you want to in a player. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Blight Posted May 31, 2021 Share Posted May 31, 2021 3 minutes ago, Jimmy McGill said: ah OK thanks for that. I never saw him in person in juniors. Curious that we can look back now tho and see the issue. I've said it before, I don't envy NHL scouts. It must be so easy to see what you want to in a player. To me, the biggest challenge is projecting what these young kids will be a few years down the road. Some, like Jake, are maybe a little closer to "peaking" by their draft years while others are showing larger incremental improvement year on year. Jake's physical attributes (skating, strength, shot) were just too much to overlook. I know the WHL has their draft of 15 year old kids every Spring for their "Bantam" draft and I see a lot of similarities with the NHL. The scouting of theses kids is nothing like the NHL draft eligible kids but they still receive a lot of scrutiny as the WHL utilize this draft to stock their cupboards. I only bring this up as the WHL teams miss on their draft picks far more often than NHL teams as greater than 50% of WHL players were never drafted in the "Bantam" draft. The same issue is there in trying to project what 15 year old kids will be like as 17 or 18 year old young men. I think we should really appreciate the drafting the Canucks have done over the past number of years as it really can be a crapshoot. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewbieCanuckFan Posted May 31, 2021 Share Posted May 31, 2021 10 minutes ago, Rick Blight said: To me, the biggest challenge is projecting what these young kids will be a few years down the road. Some, like Jake, are maybe a little closer to "peaking" by their draft years while others are showing larger incremental improvement year on year. Jake's physical attributes (skating, strength, shot) were just too much to overlook. I know the WHL has their draft of 15 year old kids every Spring for their "Bantam" draft and I see a lot of similarities with the NHL. The scouting of theses kids is nothing like the NHL draft eligible kids but they still receive a lot of scrutiny as the WHL utilize this draft to stock their cupboards. I only bring this up as the WHL teams miss on their draft picks far more often than NHL teams as greater than 50% of WHL players were never drafted in the "Bantam" draft. The same issue is there in trying to project what 15 year old kids will be like as 17 or 18 year old young men. I think we should really appreciate the drafting the Canucks have done over the past number of years as it really can be a crapshoot. Witness the career of former 1st round pick Jim Sandlak. Was like a monster playing against boys in the world junior tournament. You'd swear Eric Lindros was out there lol. Then he played against fully grown men in the NHL. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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