Mr.Plow Posted August 10, 2014 Share Posted August 10, 2014 It would probs take Horvat, Kassian, 1st + ??? to get RJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lui's Knob Posted August 10, 2014 Share Posted August 10, 2014 Holdout? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dasein Posted August 10, 2014 Share Posted August 10, 2014 It would probs take Horvat, Kassian, 1st + ??? to get RJ Best center to come out of the WHL since Ryan Getzlaf, and plays a similar game. So much potential there, and is already a 30-goal scorer. That would be a tough call though - Horvat + Kassian + 1st... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Off_The_Schneid! Posted August 10, 2014 Share Posted August 10, 2014 There would have to be a big contract going back I can't think of anyone not having a no trade clause. 1st Horvat Tanev Prob not enough salary leaving maybe if we traded a goalie elsewhere Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weber's shot Posted August 10, 2014 Share Posted August 10, 2014 There would have to be a big contract going back I can't think of anyone not having a no trade clause. 1st Horvat Tanev Prob not enough salary leaving maybe if we traded a goalie elsewhere If we replace Tanev with Lack/Marsktrom I think that sounds like a fair deal to me. I'd do that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrJockitch Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 It would probs take Horvat, Kassian, 1st + ??? to get RJ Now we are probably getting in the right neighbourhood unfortunately. Letting guys like this go is franchise suicide. That is why Jets keep holding on to Kane who seemingly doesn't want to be there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuktravella Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 markstrom hansen jensen gaunce is a package id offer sedin sedin vrbata kassian johansen shinkaruk higgins bonino burrows mattias horvat dorsett kenins/sestito would be a nice mix of vets and youngsters Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pears Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 markstrom hansen jensen gaunce is a package id offer sedin sedin vrbata kassian johansen shinkaruk higgins bonino burrows mattias horvat dorsett kenins/sestito would be a nice mix of vets and youngsters And that's an offer they laugh at and hang up on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Franz Liszt Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 Just like to point out, the only thing that hinders Ryan's full value is that he's an RFA holding out for a contract. Columbus is going to come off their high asking price if he doesn't have a contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwijibo Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 Just like to point out, the only thing that hinders Ryan's full value is that he's an RFA holding out for a contract. Columbus is going to come off their high asking price if he doesn't have a contract. I don't believe there is an asking price. I seriously doubt they've entertained the thought trading him even for a moment. They still have plenty of time to get a deal done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Franz Liszt Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 I don't believe there is an asking price. I seriously doubt they've entertained the thought trading him even for a moment. They still have plenty of time to get a deal done. Ah okay. Well I guess I mean as a hypothetical asking price. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asian player Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 Ah okay. Well I guess I mean as a hypothetical asking price. I would assume top prospect, roster player, young roster player, pick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2SKATES1STICK Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 I was more or less referring to the fact that the pieces included in that proposed trade (Bonino, Matthias, Hansen) are worth more than what we got For Kesler IMO, so it's not as big of a stretch value wise. All the while people are laughing and saying Columbus would block our number. its not about 'fair value'. like maybe the trade bars add up in be a gm mode, but its more about getting a certain caliber of player, or a specific need met, and less "here are a bunch of pieces that should make about fair value". They'd either want an established veteran first liner or a prospect with elite upside + a roster player, at minimum, and Bonino, Mattias, Hansen don't really meet either of those needs - although they are all good in their roles and its hard to argue against 3:1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted August 12, 2014 Share Posted August 12, 2014 Your sort of right. It's an odd template for sure. But Bonino, Tanev and Hansen are all (good) depth players. Shink is a question mark. There is no Ryan Kesler, Top ten drafted prospect already on the roster or anything actually significant in the offer. Forsberg was a 200 lb stud athlete absolute top flite prospect. The Canucks may have had two guys in their history of Steve Duchesne's calibre at his position. Ricci and Chris Simon spent time as top line forwards, all stars even if I'm not mistaken. Multiple first round picks and $15 mill cash. Me thinks the Lindross comparison might be overstating it a bit. You're right, sort of. But for starters, calling Bonino and Tanev "depth players" is presumptuous. Tanev is already a top 4 quality young defenseman, and apparently people here are still unaware for the most part who Bonino is. Btw, here's the actual proposal. Bonino, Shink, Tanev, Hansen, 2015 1st(top-10 protected, move to 2016 if necc), Lack or Marky. What is clearly unknown is what becomes of that 1st, and Shinkaruk - people on these boards have a funny tendency to throw players like Shinkaruk (and future 1sts) into deals as if an afterthought. Despite Virtanen, Shinkaruk may be the best pure goal scorer in the Canucks system. Anyhow, it appears you'd rather split hairs than consider the crux of the point. There really is no "B" asset in that proposal. 6 very good pieces - I'm not going to re-state how undervalued Hansen tends to be on these boards, but he may be the least valued asset in that deal - and that imo makes that proposal just nuts. It takes some time to build some depth in your system - dropping six quality assets at once..... You might notice that Lack is also considered a potential 6th piece. That my friend is crazy. I love Johansen and might overpay for him, but not by twice the price. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Off_The_Schneid! Posted August 12, 2014 Share Posted August 12, 2014 You're right, sort of. But for starters, calling Bonino and Tanev "depth players" is presumptuous. Tanev is already a top 4 quality young defenseman, and apparently people here are still unaware for the most part who Bonino is. Btw, here's the actual proposal. Bonino, Shink, Tanev, Hansen, 2015 1st(top-10 protected, move to 2016 if necc), Lack or Marky. What is clearly unknown is what becomes of that 1st, and Shinkaruk - people on these boards have a funny tendency to throw players like Shinkaruk (and future 1sts) into deals as if an afterthought. Despite Virtanen, Shinkaruk may be the best pure goal scorer in the Canucks system. Anyhow, it appears you'd rather split hairs than consider the crux of the point. There really is no "B" asset in that proposal. 6 very good pieces - I'm not going to re-state how undervalued Hansen tends to be on these boards, but he may be the least valued asset in that deal - and that imo makes that proposal just nuts. It takes some time to build some depth in your system - dropping six quality assets at once..... You might notice that Lack is also considered a potential 6th piece. That my friend is crazy. I love Johansen and might overpay for him, but not by twice the price. Too many parts going back, take away Shinkaruk and I'd be fine with it Bonino Tanev Hansen 1st rounder Markstrom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nergish Posted August 12, 2014 Share Posted August 12, 2014 Too many parts going back, take away Shinkaruk and I'd be fine with it Bonino Tanev Hansen 1st rounder Markstrom ...drop Tanev and I'm fine with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cdubuya Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 dp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cdubuya Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 He has a bit of leverage. It would be devastating to their young up and coming team if he sat out a year. After finally breaking out of mediocrity the last thing they want to do is fade back into oblivion. They should just get a short term deal done with decent money. Something like 10/2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derp... Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 If I'm CBJ I would be looking for something along the lines of Kesler Hansen and a second. Since the Kesler deal is done it would be Bonino Sbisa McCann Hansen and 2015 2nd. Too much to give up for 1 guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeremyCuddles Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 If I'm CBJ I would be looking for something along the lines of Kesler Hansen and a second. Since the Kesler deal is done it would be Bonino Sbisa McCann Hansen and 2015 2nd. Too much to give up for 1 guy.Not going to lie to you, I'd do that deal. Probably not a good move by management but I like RJ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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