(Waivers) - Jacob Markstrom

[Pears]

Soooo so happy Markstrom cleared. Utica is gonna be filthy this year.

[King Heffy]

Yeah, because top goalies in the league need to win a few cups before they get a contract. Seriously, how does signing players work in your world?

As for the irreversible damage, we have another top prospect who looks NHL ready at 19, we are absolutely stacked in goal at the NHL and AHL level, and we have Matthias.

HOW WILL WE EVER RECOVER?!?

Luongo earned a contract, but the way it was structured was a moronic risk. How about sticking this team with wasted cap space for an entire decade, with the potential for a crippling recapture penalty without warning? Schneider is still far more valuable than Horvat; that trade is simply unforgivably and is the major reason Gillis has no business running a beer league team.

[Ryan Strome]

Yeah, because top goalies in the league need to win a few cups before they get a contract. Seriously, how does signing players work in your world?

As for the irreversible damage, we have another top prospect who looks NHL ready at 19, we are absolutely stacked in goal at the NHL and AHL level, and we have Matthias.

HOW WILL WE EVER RECOVER?!?

Heffy is right that contract was brutal no matter which way you spin it. Trying to make excuses for it is just silly. The worst part is MG constantly spoke out against long-term contracts and Nmc/Ntc. MG the hypocrite.

[coryberg]

Luongo earned a contract, but the way it was structured was a moronic risk. How about sticking this team with wasted cap space for an entire decade, with the potential for a crippling recapture penalty without warning? Schneider is still far more valuable than Horvat; that trade is simply unforgivably and is the major reason Gillis has no business running a beer league team.

It sounds like you are under the impression that the cap recapture penalties were in place before MG signed luongo.

[King Heffy]

It sounds like you are under the impression that the cap recapture penalties were in place before MG signed luongo.

No. The Luongo contract was stupid originally because so many things can go wrong in 10 years. One of the more obvious things was the injury that permanently robbed Luongo of his ability to move laterally without bellyflopping. The recapture couldn't have been predicted, but it was likely something would go wrong. Gillis compounded the problem by not buying out Luongo.

[on the cycle]

Unproven at the NHL level. He should be a decent 3rd string goalie in case of injuries, he can always be moved around or traded during the year. It's never a bad thing to have depth in goal. You could trade him for another prospect (maybe a D-man) who's in a similar situation as Markstrom (has all the tools, just can't put it all together) and see how player X turns out.

[Rick Grimes]

I still feel like we dodged a bullet here.

[Pears]

I still feel like we dodged a bullet here.

We dodged a huge bullet. It would've been unforgivable if someone claimed Markstrom and he reached his potential.

[SamJamIam]

No. The Luongo contract was stupid originally because so many things can go wrong in 10 years. One of the more obvious things was the injury that permanently robbed Luongo of his ability to move laterally without bellyflopping. The recapture couldn't have been predicted, but it was likely something would go wrong. Gillis compounded the problem by not buying out Luongo.

I still think Coryberg's point is valid. You've conceded that the Luongo rule was not possible to predict. But the implication is that, if anything did go wrong (like an injury that seriously affected Luongo's play) without that rule in place he could have retired and his cap hit would have come off the books. Similarly without the rule in place, he still had value as a tradeable asset because he could be retired (or traded again) and would not affect our trade partners books except when he was playing for them.

Really what were saying is that everything that made his contract undesirable came from the cap recapture rule. Before that his cap hit was extremely reasonable and he was perfectly tradeable.

[King Heffy]

I still think Coryberg's point is valid. You've conceded that the Luongo rule was not possible to predict. But the implication is that, if anything did go wrong (like an injury that seriously affected Luongo's play) without that rule in place he could have retired and his cap hit would have come off the books. Similarly without the rule in place, he still had value as a tradeable asset because he could be retired (or traded again) and would not affect our trade partners books except when he was playing for them.

Really what were saying is that everything that made his contract undesirable came from the cap recapture rule. Before that his cap hit was extremely reasonable and he was perfectly tradeable.

But the problem is that Luongo could have gotten injured, not enough to end his career, but enough to make him a much less effective goalie. That happened with the first groin injury, as he developed a huge weakness that teams exploited easily in the playoffs.

[SamJamIam]

We dodged a huge bullet. It would've been unforgivable if someone claimed Markstrom and he reached his potential.

I don't know about a HUGE bullet. If Markstrom doesn't get more time to season in the AHL and learn from some great goalie coaches, he doesnt reach his potential. And by claiming him off waivers, he is forced into a backup situation on a crap team.

Still its one more asset we didn't lose so it's definitely good news he didn't get picked up. I'm excited to see what he can do in the A and if he and Eriksson become a solid tandem.

[SamJamIam]

But the problem is that Luongo could have gotten injured, not enough to end his career, but enough to make him a much less effective goalie. That happened with the first groin injury, as he developed a huge weakness that teams exploited easily in the playoffs.

Players can always be injured. The point is that his value being tied to his injury status, not his contract structure due to the new rule, meant he would have been no more risky than any other player.

[Nuxfanabroad]

I still think Coryberg's point is valid. You've conceded that the Luongo rule was not possible to predict. But the implication is that, if anything did go wrong (like an injury that seriously affected Luongo's play) without that rule in place he could have retired and his cap hit would have come off the books. Similarly without the rule in place, he still had value as a tradeable asset because he could be retired (or traded again) and would not affect our trade partners books except when he was playing for them.

Really what were saying is that everything that made his contract undesirable came from the cap recapture rule. Before that his cap hit was extremely reasonable and he was perfectly tradeable.

Those who don't revise their history, are doomed to perpetually redeem it. (at least, on CDC)

[jdatb]

Yeah, because top goalies in the league need to win a few cups before they get a contract. Seriously, how does signing players work in your world?

As for the irreversible damage, we have another top prospect who looks NHL ready at 19, we are absolutely stacked in goal at the NHL and AHL level, and we have Matthias.

HOW WILL WE EVER RECOVER?!?

idk man, gillis edler and markstrom have doomed us forever apparently.

[Lui's Knob]

Cannata to play full time echl?

[Canuck Surfer]

I still think Coryberg's point is valid. You've conceded that the Luongo rule was not possible to predict. But the implication is that, if anything did go wrong (like an injury that seriously affected Luongo's play) without that rule in place he could have retired and his cap hit would have come off the books. Similarly without the rule in place, he still had value as a tradeable asset because he could be retired (or traded again) and would not affect our trade partners books except when he was playing for them.

Really what were saying is that everything that made his contract undesirable came from the cap recapture rule. Before that his cap hit was extremely reasonable and he was perfectly tradeable.

Look, the business side of your argument makes perfect sense. Mostly.

And its not like Lou showed up to camp out of shape, did not work, or was a dough head with team mates. By all accounts he was liked, worked his butt off...

It still does not mean he was not a distraction. Even if he would have waived his NTC for a large number of teams, GM's on the other side of the planet could see the guy for what he was. He still pouted when he lost games, when he was criticized, when his backup outplayed him. A distraction who was still owed $40 million dollars and only wanted to play in Florida...

Lou was a handful. Getting anything for him was a win.

Not that we wanted to lose Markstrom just because that was the case. Dodged a bullet and we have a chance to recoup some value.

[Herberts Vasiljevs]

King Heffy only comes on this board to bash Gillis and Edler in case nobody's noticed.

[Canuck Surfer]

Yup a bullet dodged.

Lost on a lot of people is that Lack is UFA a year before Miller. Two years from now he will be in his prime, 28 years old, established and looking to write his own ticket. Both dollars wise, and to ensure he gets a starters role for all his efforts.

I project Lack will get traded when Markstrom gets the technical side of his game on track.

[Dutch_Canuck]

Who is gonna start in Utica i wonder, because Eriksson deserves it. Although I do want to see if Markstrom can develop into a solid goalie, both will have to work night in and night out. Canatta is definitely good enough to backup Eriksson, but i think it would do him better to play starting in ECHL. Im curious to see how coach Green and Benning handle it.

[oldnews]

If some team takes him off waivers, they cannot trade him unless they first offer him to the other teams that made a claim.

if he is waived again and the Canucks get him back, he does not have to clear waivers the second time for them to assign him to Utica.

Sort of. If someone claimed him then tried to put him on waivers later, we'd have first choice to bring him back ahead of the bottom teams in the standings. If someone else submits a claim as well though, we can't automatically assign him to the minors. Only if no one else has submitted a claim is he basically considered as having cleared waivers and allowed to be sent down. It happened with Urbom I think last year.

Sort of.

A Guide to the NHL Waiver Process

"Once a team claims a player from waivers, it may not trade that player unless it first offers him to any other teams who made waiver claims for him. If the claiming team places the player on waivers in the same season and his original team claims him, the team may send the player to the AHL without placing him on waivers again...."

http://www.litterboxcats.com/2013/10/7/4792782/nhl-waiver-waivers-cba-florida-panthers