DownUndaCanuck Posted June 18, 2015 Share Posted June 18, 2015 Everyone knows it by now, we need to bolster our blueline. Looking over the New Jersey, we have Draft Day trade history with them, and they've just brought in Shero who is a trading fiend and will definately make some big moves leading up to the draft. The Devils have a plethora of solid young defenders including Gelinas, Severson and Larsson, with a few more guys coming up in the ranks. Meanwhile up front they are very thin, with their lead scorer Henrique only scoring 43 points. Camalleri, Elias, Gomez and Ryder are their main forwards who are all getting older and slower. That team needs some youth up front, some more size and speed, and you bet Shero knows it. TO VAN: Adam Larsson + 3rd round pick TO NJD: Luca Sbisa + Linden Vey + Jensen + 5th round pick New Jersey get a minutes replacement on defence in Sbisa, and they get some good young forwards coming in with Vey and Jensen which is what they need. The Canucks can afford to throw away Vey and Jensen because of their stacked wing position. We need to make our defence the strong point now. Larsson has been New Jersey's top defenceman lately which is why we need to offer a fair bit, and his game is better than the stats show. More importantly, he's a smooth skating, Edler-type puck mover with a big frame who can log heavy minutes, and is only 22. We desperately need a left sided defenceman to replace Hamhuis in a year or two and Larsson can be that guy. Pair him with Corrado, Clendening or Tanev and we've got a pretty neat top-4 all of a sudden. The next step would be to trade Bieksa to a contender for a pick (2nd or 3rd if we're lucky) and draft a defenceman like Chabot, Kylington, Roy or Carlsson at #23, but this trade with NJD sets up our new defence nicely. Ideally with Lack, Bieksa and Higgins traded for picks/prospects we may be able to afford a Green or Franson while Clendening and Corrado fill out: Edler - Tanev Hamhuis - Franson/Green Larsson - Corrado/Clendening Future defence: Larsson - Tanev Edler - Corrado Chabot - Clendening Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keslerific Posted June 18, 2015 Share Posted June 18, 2015 This is decent, I would be happy with this deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwijibo Posted June 18, 2015 Share Posted June 18, 2015 Brutal for NJ. Typical quantity for quality proposal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuxfanabroad Posted June 18, 2015 Share Posted June 18, 2015 Tilted heavily our way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Langdon Algur Posted June 18, 2015 Share Posted June 18, 2015 Can't see NJ trading Larsson especially for what's proposed, values no where close (Jensen is a C level prospect and Vey is one step away from waiver wire material). Maybe for Gelinas which I would be more than ok with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blömqvist Posted June 18, 2015 Share Posted June 18, 2015 I was thinking it wold take more for Larsson. Bonino+? Kassian++? IIRC doesn't Larsson shoot right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuck Surfer Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 I like the target team, the target player. Both are well founded and realistic. Don't think you have enough value in it for them. Not anymore. I proposed a near identical trade last summer. Larsson played pretty well this year, stole a lot of time back from Gelinas and I believe brought his value back much closer to that when he was drafted in a premium position. So I am agreeing with Nuzabroad; the deal is probably tilted to heavily our way. Might get you Gelinas? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DownUndaCanuck Posted June 19, 2015 Author Share Posted June 19, 2015 How about Sbisa + Baertschi for Larsson then? I know Baertschi has been amazing in Utica and put up some pretty points with the Canucks, but we're stacked at wing and need to do something about the imbalance between wingers and defencemen. I'd rather have Larsson on our defence and Jensen or Vey picking up some offensive slack that be stacked up front and have Sbisa as our 2nd best lefty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Vintage Canuck- Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 How about Sbisa + Baertschi for Larsson then? I know Baertschi has been amazing in Utica and put up some pretty points with the Canucks, but we're stacked at wing and need to do something about the imbalance between wingers and defencemen. I'd rather have Larsson on our defence and Jensen or Vey picking up some offensive slack that be stacked up front and have Sbisa as our 2nd best lefty. I don't see Benning trading Baertschi when we just acquired him this past Trade Deadline. It may send the wrong message to UFAs this year and the upcoming years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Intoewsables Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 May as well just ask them to throw in the 6th overall pick too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 Done deal. It gives them a center/rw they need. It gives them a large RW they need. It gives them a minute eating D man under moderate contract They need. I would do this deal in a heartbeat. It MAY look in our favour or a quantity for quality deal, but Larsson has not exactly proven he is quality since he was drafted and was passed on the depth charts for most of last year by Severson. I'd do this deal today Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keslerific Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 Done deal. It gives them a center/rw they need. It gives them a large RW they need. It gives them a minute eating D man under moderate contract They need. I would do this deal in a heartbeat. It MAY look in our favour or a quantity for quality deal, but Larsson has not exactly proven he is quality since he was drafted and was passed on the depth charts for most of last year by Severson. I'd do this deal today This, I think some of you guys haven't noticed Larsson is not doing as well in New Jersey and there was talk of him not returning and going to the SHL at one point. Fair value for both sides. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scorvat Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 How about Sbisa + Baertschi for Larsson then? I know Baertschi has been amazing in Utica and put up some pretty points with the Canucks, but we're stacked at wing and need to do something about the imbalance between wingers and defencemen. I'd rather have Larsson on our defence and Jensen or Vey picking up some offensive slack that be stacked up front and have Sbisa as our 2nd best lefty. I dont think id be willing to include Baertschi in any trade. The kid has superstar potential. Any of our top 5 prospects id say are untouchable. Horvat Baertschi Virtanen McCann Shinkaruk And maybe Demko Young players id be willing to trade are Cassels Gaunce Grenier Weber Corrado Clendenning Subban Tryamkin Pedan Vey Hutton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
runtzguy Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 that is a terrible trade for devils. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toews Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 This, I think some of you guys haven't noticed Larsson is not doing as well in New Jersey and there was talk of him not returning and going to the SHL at one point. Fair value for both sides. That was under DeBoer. Under the new coaching staff, Larsson has gotten more icetime and responsibility and he has thrived. The time to trade for Larsson was last season. Right now he sits at the top of the depth chart and is unlikely to be moved. I can see guys like Gelinas and Merill being moved but not Larsson nor Serverson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manroth19 Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 Devils aren't trading merril. They love him there hes their version of tanev. Larson would cost bonino + shinkarik minimum. Severson is untouchable too id say. Gelinis is most likely to pry from them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elvis15 Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 I was thinking it wold take more for Larsson. Bonino+? Kassian++?IIRC doesn't Larsson shoot right? Yup. He'd immediately be paired on Edler's right side since he brings more than Tanev (or at least I'd hope he would be), then Tanev could be moved back with Hamhuis. Once Hamhuis is gone then maybe we see someone like Hutton, Tryamkin or Pedan step into that role, or maybe even Corrado who's comfortable on his off-side. Done deal. It gives them a center/rw they need. It gives them a large RW they need. It gives them a minute eating D man under moderate contract They need. I would do this deal in a heartbeat. It MAY look in our favour or a quantity for quality deal, but Larsson has not exactly proven he is quality since he was drafted and was passed on the depth charts for most of last year by Severson. I'd do this deal today I would too, but NJ would want something better for Larsson I think. Larsson did have roughly two years of rough sledding, particularly with some back issues, but this season he rebounded. I don't know that he gets to his projected ceiling, but the time to get him for cheap was last year or slightly earlier. That was under DeBoer. Under the new coaching staff, Larsson has gotten more icetime and responsibility and he has thrived. The time to trade for Larsson was last season. Right now he sits at the top of the depth chart and is unlikely to be moved. I can see guys like Gelinas and Merill being moved but not Larsson nor Serverson. My thoughts exactly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyhee Posted June 21, 2015 Share Posted June 21, 2015 ... TO VAN: Adam Larsson + 3rd round pick TO NJD: Luca Sbisa + Linden Vey + Jensen + 5th round pick ... Several posters have mentioned that they would do this deal, and I can't imagine that there is anybody that wouldn't do this deal from the Canucks side, nor that there is anybody that would from the Devils' side. Vancouver gets a 22 year old who this season was the top scorer among Devils' defencemen (both overall and per 60 minutes played), tied for 3rd on the team in +/-, has good size, was a regular on the penalty kill, averaged about 21 minutes a game and was 4th among NJ d-men in both FF%Rel and CF%Rel. Vancouver also gets a 3rd round pick. New Jersey, giving up a solid part of their defence crew, gets in exchange a prospect about the same age as Larsson but who had a terrible year in the AHL and has to rebound just to avoid becoming a bust, a depth forward, a 5th round pick and Luca Sbisa. The value of Sbisa has been much debated on CDC with some of those that think his contract is a horrible overpayment mentioning that he doesn't need a ntc-his overpayment in his contract pretty much acts as a ntc. Others think he has some value. I'm in the former group, believing that the amount on his contract is so much that except for teams near the cap floor there's no advantage in trading for him. Those who consider the Sbisa contract reasonable should still consider this overpayment on the Devils' part. Those of us who were shocked at the Sbisa extension would consider that the proposal has the Devils virtually giving Larsson away. As some others have mentioned, Larsson's value would have been less a year ago. Vey and more especially Jensen imo were worth more a year ago. Ten months ago this might have looked good from a Jersey perspective, but that was then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goblix Posted June 21, 2015 Share Posted June 21, 2015 think for Adam Larsson the deal would likely start with Kassian + Higgins / Hansen and some sort of pick to round it out. Id do something along those lines and then would trade Tanev+ package to Carolina // CBJ to move up the 5th or 8th (probably too expensive and likely not happening). Edler -- Larsson Hamhuis -- Corrado Sbisa -- Bieksa // Clendenning Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sean Monahan Posted June 22, 2015 Share Posted June 22, 2015 It's all been said, but yeah this proposal wouldn't cut it. Good rule of thumb to judge young d-men by is the 300 game mark, by that point you're likely to get what you're seeing. Hedman is a good example of this, with a lot of people labeling him a bust through the first 200-or-so games of his career (which is where Larsson currently sits, 192). Larsson's definitely on the upswing now and his value's a lot higher than it was a year ago, but even a year ago I don't know if NJ would've shipped him for this as it would've been a little premature to give up on him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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