48MPHSlapShot Posted February 29, 2016 Share Posted February 29, 2016 10 minutes ago, Nas19 said: College hockey is much better than the CHL. You people are insane. It's really just one person trying (and failing) to dispute that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delta76 Posted February 29, 2016 Share Posted February 29, 2016 Guys. Cam we all just make a pact to not respond to chilli. If he doesn't get responses hell stop the bull$&!# Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaudette Celly Posted February 29, 2016 Share Posted February 29, 2016 4 hours ago, Derp... said: Why are you doing this, seriously? I don't understand what you are arguing. Do you think Konecny is clearly better than Boeser in every way. Do you just want to be right? What are your motivations in this discussion? Meh, just like he and his buddies trolling the Virtanen thread with Ehlers and Nylander (except he trolls every thread). Regardless who we pick this year they'll do the same thing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post WTG Posted February 29, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted February 29, 2016 (edited) Quote NHL Equivalent PPG = PPG * Translator Translators: .83 KHL .57 SHL .48 AHL .45 NCHC .42 NLA .40 ECAC, Big-10 .37 CCHA .33 H-East, OHL .32 Liiga .27 QMJHL, WHL .24 USHL Now keep in mind that NHLEs flaw is due to looking at only the sample of players who move from each league to the NHL. Ex: The average Joe who moves from AHL to NHL is different than the average Joe who moves from OHL to NHL. http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/showthread.php?p=114136477#post114136477 Konecny NHLe 44 Boeser NHLe 39 In terms of NHLe goals Konecny 13 Boeser 23 You use NHLe to judge players across leagues. So really Konecny and Boeser are pretty equal in terms of points but Boeser is scoring at a much higher rate in a much better league. The NCHC is the best amateur division/league in the world. So to be the best goalscorer in the NCHC is a very very big accomplishment. Edited February 29, 2016 by WTG 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted February 29, 2016 Share Posted February 29, 2016 16 minutes ago, WTG said: http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/showthread.php?p=114136477#post114136477 Konecny NHLe 44 Boeser NHLe 39 In terms of NHLe goals Konecny 13 Boeser 23 You use NHLe to judge players across leagues. So really Konecny and Boeser are pretty equal in terms of points but Boeser is scoring at a much higher rate in a much better league. The NCHC is the best amateur division/league in the world. So to be the best goalscorer in the NCHC is a very very big accomplishment. Who the heck is this Konecny, and why is he being compared to a future Rocket Richard, and Conn Smythe winner - Brock Boeser? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuckledraggin Posted February 29, 2016 Share Posted February 29, 2016 5 minutes ago, chilliwiggins said: I will when we have an experienced GM not a scout. Go make another Jim Benning sucks thread. I love the posters that put up highlights and 1st hand accounts. This guy? Not so much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WTG Posted February 29, 2016 Share Posted February 29, 2016 I am not a fan of management at all. But that doesn't mean that every move that Benning makes is a bad one. Boeser is a very good pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
numb3r 16 Posted February 29, 2016 Share Posted February 29, 2016 18 minutes ago, chilliwiggins said: well if nothing happens of significance by tomorrow I'm sure they will be readily available I think It's time to start ignoring this chilli guy he's a cancer to this community 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaudette Celly Posted February 29, 2016 Share Posted February 29, 2016 29 minutes ago, chilliwiggins said: I will when we have an experienced GM not a scout. You are adding zero substance or value to this thread, and in effect doing nothing but trolling. Admittedly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ohmy Posted February 29, 2016 Share Posted February 29, 2016 In his heart Chilli knows hes being a Troll. Not saying Konecny wont be good but you'd be insane to think we don't have a very very promising prospect in Boeser. Its an apple and orange argument as someone said. Konecny could be a very good all around player but Boeser is and probably always will be the better pure scorer which obviously our team truly needs. Chilli just enjoys getting a rise out of us. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shiznak Posted February 29, 2016 Share Posted February 29, 2016 (edited) I'm not going to say which player is going to turn out to be the better player, because I think both guys will be impactful players in the league. But it's debatable on which league is more competitive, collegiate or the CHL. If you ask me, I would say the CHL is much more competitive than the NCAA hockey. The CHL is the best pathway to make it into the NHL. It's strictly hockey orientated 24/7. Everybody and everyone's goal is to make it into the NHL, when your playing in the CHL. Whereas, in the collegiate level, most NCAA hockey players, are focusing on their academics, getting their education, and graduating college than making it into the NHL. Playing hockey for them is more of a leisure pastime more than anything. Teenagers who pick the college route, don't pick it for its competitiveness, but rather choosing it because it's a fallback plan, in case if they aren't good enough to make hockey their living. Yes, NCAA players are older, stronger, and more mature, but that doesn't necessarily mean it's more competitive. Edited February 29, 2016 by shiznak Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luongotv Posted March 1, 2016 Share Posted March 1, 2016 Dreger on TSN1040: "Boeser and Demko are definitely two of the top 20 prospects outside of the NHL right now". Nice to see some public recognition of our prospects and the Scouting prowess of Benning's regime coming to fruition. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post stanleysteamersmyl Posted March 1, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted March 1, 2016 GRAND FORKS -- Minnesota Duluth played a fine game Saturday night. There was only one problem: Brock Boeser found some open space for two seconds in the third period. That’s all it can take for the North Dakota freshman to decide a college hockey game. In an era where goal scoring is at a premium because of advanced goaltending styles and defensive methods, Boeser is the rarest of players. He’s a pure goalscorer, who buries an ordinate number of his scoring chances. For most players — even dazzling offensive stars like former UND forward Rocco Grimaldi — they may score one goal for each seven or eight Grade A chances that they generate. For Boeser, it often only takes one. And that’s what has to be maddening for opposing teams. A few weeks ago in Western Michigan, Boeser wasn’t even having a strong overall game, but he decided it late in the third. With the game tied 0-0, he found a puck near the slot area, made a move to his backhand and flipped it in at a sharp angle. He tacked on the empty-netter that night for a 2-0 victory. One day later, the teams were tied 1-1 late in the second period, when he got a puck in the circle. Broncos goalie Lukas Hafner squared up, but Boeser flat-out beat him with a wrister. The final score was 2-1. Western Michigan played two fine games and generated as many scoring chances as UND. The difference was that the Broncos didn’t have a player who needs just one scoring chance to score. UND did. On Saturday night, it happened again. Minnesota Duluth was playing a fine road game, had it tied 1-1 late in the third and was outshooting UND. But Boeser got the puck with space, skated a couple of strides and ripped it past goalie Kasimir Kaskisuo. The final score was 2-1. In the four games between UND and Minnesota Duluth this season, the Bulldogs scored two goals on 139 shots. Boeser scored three in 11 shots. Why is Minnesota Duluth 11-14-5, despite having outshot its opponent in 26 of 30 games this season? A big reason is because it does not have a natural finisher. They aren’t exactly easy to find these days. Boeser now has 20 goals on the season. Since Ralph Engelstad Arena opened, the only other UND rookies to do that are Zach Parise, Travis Zajac, Jonathan Toews and T.J. Oshie — all currently NHL stars. UND fans have been fortunate enough to see plenty of other pure goalscorers come through The Ralph in recent years. Brandon Bochenski, Ryan Duncan, Matt Frattin and Brock Nelson come to mind. Boeser is already in that class. There are two weeks left of the regular season, then the playoffs begin. And Boeser may not be at the top of his game for all of them (what rookie is?). But even if one of those games arises, be patient. In two seconds, he can completely change it. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Harvey Spector Posted March 1, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted March 1, 2016 52 minutes ago, luongotv said: Dreger on TSN1040: "Boeser and Demko are definitely two of the top 20 prospects outside of the NHL right now". Nice to see some public recognition of our prospects and the Scouting prowess of Benning's regime coming to fruition. I'd put Boeser and Demko in the top 10 right now. Both will be stars in this league. JB can screw up the next 3 drafts for all I care, if Boeser is the next Hull and Demko the next Brodeur then JB will be a GOD in Vancouver. For all of his faults no one can say JB doesn't know scouting. Boeser as a late first and Demko in the second? If there is one thing JB knows well he knows player evaluation. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N4ZZY Posted March 1, 2016 Share Posted March 1, 2016 1 hour ago, Harvey Spector said: I'd put Boeser and Demko in the top 10 right now. Both will be stars in this league. JB can screw up the next 3 drafts for all I care, if Boeser is the next Hull and Demko the next Brodeur then JB will be a GOD in Vancouver. For all of his faults no one can say JB doesn't know scouting. Boeser as a late first and Demko in the second? If there is one thing JB knows well he knows player evaluation. Well, at least in that regards he's got some wins. He needs to surround himself with some better hockey people. Scouting may be him and Weisbrod's forte, but they need someone who is a better pro scout. But we'll see what happens with Demko and Boeser. They're no slam dunks, anything can happen with their development now and whenever they make the Canucks. Let's hope they continue to move in the right direction. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuckpuckluck1 Posted March 1, 2016 Share Posted March 1, 2016 4 hours ago, Harvey Spector said: I'd put Boeser and Demko in the top 10 right now. Both will be stars in this league. JB can screw up the next 3 drafts for all I care, if Boeser is the next Hull and Demko the next Brodeur then JB will be a GOD in Vancouver. For all of his faults no one can say JB doesn't know scouting. Boeser as a late first and Demko in the second? If there is one thing JB knows well he knows player evaluation. I'm not trying to be negative here but Benning got very lucky with the Demko pick as Calgary made the crazy pick taking McDonald the goalie from the Q. Who may or may not be good but doesn't seem to be in the same league as Demko. For all the good Calgary have done at the deadline today I really hope that pick comes back to haunt them for the next twenty years or so Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comet Fan 0727 Posted March 1, 2016 Share Posted March 1, 2016 28 minutes ago, canuckpuckluck15 said: I'm not trying to be negative here but Benning got very lucky with the Demko pick as Calgary made the crazy pick taking McDonald the goalie from the Q. Who may or may not be good but doesn't seem to be in the same league as Demko. For all the good Calgary have done at the deadline today I really hope that pick comes back to haunt them for the next twenty years or so Same here. I hope it's just like the Trevor Kidd/ Martin Broudeur screw up the Lames made 20 years ago. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canucklehead44 Posted March 1, 2016 Share Posted March 1, 2016 I guess you can give Benning some credit for the Boeser pick, as there were a few other guys he could have taken there. Demko was kind of a no brainer, any of us could have scouted the top ranked goalie in the second round. Given the "fan" draft, we would have gone with Konecny first, then the second choice was Juulsen. Both Boeser and Konecny look good. Juulsen's numbers have dropped like a rock. It is pointless comparing prospects until their 1st or 2nd year of pro, especially when they play in different leagues. Good example is Gaunce and Samuelsson. Samuelsson looked like he would have been the no-brainer pick until this year. Now Gaunce is blowing him out of the water. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ABNucksfan Posted March 1, 2016 Share Posted March 1, 2016 http://www.grandforksherald.com/sports/und-hockey/3959414-und-mens-hockey-early-uncertainty-thing-past-fighting-hawks "Some rookies have had their growing pains, but for the most part, they’ve adapted fine, too. Brock Boeser will likely win the league’s rookie of the year award and is one week away from winning the NCHC scoring title, too." some more praise for Boeser 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rollieo Del Fuego Posted March 1, 2016 Share Posted March 1, 2016 8 hours ago, canucklehead44 said: I guess you can give Benning some credit for the Boeser pick, as there were a few other guys he could have taken there. Demko was kind of a no brainer, any of us could have scouted the top ranked goalie in the second round. Given the "fan" draft, we would have gone with Konecny first, then the second choice was Juulsen. Both Boeser and Konecny look good. Juulsen's numbers have dropped like a rock. It is pointless comparing prospects until their 1st or 2nd year of pro, especially when they play in different leagues. Good example is Gaunce and Samuelsson. Samuelsson looked like he would have been the no-brainer pick until this year. Now Gaunce is blowing him out of the water. Some shinning examples you chose! Rodin comes to mind as well, I am usually patient with prospects, but I had written him off same as most people around here...now it looks like he may be in our top 9 next year. I'm hoping Boesser stays in college one more year just to give the guys we have that are ready to go a chance to make it next year. It should be a shinny new team: Sedins / Rodin or Sutter Baer / Horvat / Rodin or Virtanen Gaunce / Granlund or McCann / Rodin or Virtanen or Etem Hansen / McCann or Vey / Etem or Dorsett or Burrows One of the above would have to go if we carry 14 forwards For D.: Tanev / Hutton Hamhuis / Edler Bart / Larsen Sbisa / Tryamkin Biega Two of the above would have to go if we carry 14 forwards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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