Canucks Curse Posted October 2, 2015 Share Posted October 2, 2015 This. So much this. It's time. It's not like we're "rushing" McCann, Virtanen, or Hutton. Both McCann and Virtanen have gotten full CHL seasons under their belts after being drafted. Hutton is 22. Not to mention we still have veterans on this roster that'll be able to show them the ropes. I would rather these young players get the chance to learn off of our veterans firsthand while they still have the chance. Not to mention it seems a little hypocritical to talk about young players cracking the lineup by pushing lower-end vets out of a job, and then choke when that actually happens. And if Willie is afraid of integrating young players into the lineup, then it's possible we chose the wrong coach. WD feels he needs another strong year before integrating more youth, he is going to ride veterans and Horvat and will try to incorporate virtanen. WD is feeling heat from ownership to win now and JB is more skeptical and if he had his way gaunce, McCann, Hutton, virtanen will all be on the team, but JB doesn't fear for his job, WD does. TL is frustrated with WD. WD will be the first to be fired and it could happen as early was the end of this year or mid next year but WD says he will integrate more youth next year in the form of Hutton, gaunce, McCann and maybe Cassels. Shinkaruk is not really in the plans but him and Jensen have almost zero value on the trade market Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted October 2, 2015 Share Posted October 2, 2015 Keep it up Minister Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekey Pete Posted October 2, 2015 Share Posted October 2, 2015 cant reveal my source lol - but I know a guy who knows a guy in the front office lol I find it hard to take seriously when the opening sentence has two lol's in it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canucks Curse Posted October 2, 2015 Share Posted October 2, 2015 I find it hard to take seriously when the opening sentence has two lol's in it. Who cares lol it is what it is -let's wait and see Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekey Pete Posted October 2, 2015 Share Posted October 2, 2015 Willie had issues with Bo getting a shot last year, has issues with Virtanen and McCann getting their shots this year. Looks like we indeed did go with the wrong coach for this rebuild. How exactly is the "rebuild" supposed to take place when we have a coach that doesn't want to play young players? (Aside from Vey, of course) Quit crying, Willie knows what he's doing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForsbergTheGreat Posted October 2, 2015 Share Posted October 2, 2015 cant reveal my source lol - but I know a guy who knows a guy in the front office lol Hutton- going to Utica- will be first call up if a L or R shot d man gets injured Fedun-utica Biega-Utica Cracknell-Utica Virtanen - staying for at least 9 games but they are going to give him the Horvat treatment- he is JB's favorite more than Mccann for some reason McCann- going straight back to Jr, no 9 games, WD and JB could not agree on keeping him, its too many young players for WD to handle, he is nervous with his position on the canucks, nervous about what happened against calgary and is not ready to bring so many young players in, WD wants higgins in the lineup as soon as he is healthy enough to come back. WD does not trust young players very easily and still thinks Horvat is an exception. WD does not want Virtanen around but he is the compromise Gaunce - stays until higgins is back and then he is back to Utica. Corrado/Weber/Bartowski are al staying Vey is staying and will center the 4th line between prust and dorsette at the end of the day the only new young player on the team will be virtanen Don't forget Baertschi and corrado. Between Sven. Frankie, Jake, Horvat and even Vey and Markstrom to an extent. that's a lot of young (inexperience, less than 100 games) players in our line up We really shouldn't be complaining too much that more isn't being added. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostsof1915 Posted October 2, 2015 Share Posted October 2, 2015 Trade Vey and Weber, take a gamble with McCann and Hutton. Vey and Weber would do well with an Eastern Conference team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGuardian_ Posted October 2, 2015 Share Posted October 2, 2015 Quit crying, Willie knows what he's doing Definitely a conflict between coach and statements made by management, thus the confusion on what the team is doing. WD is probably just trying to hang on to his job, it took so long to get here he doesn't want to take any chances and Vey??? If any other "kids" make the team that would likely mean the end of Vey in the NHL. So no "kids" = Vey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homersexual Posted October 2, 2015 Share Posted October 2, 2015 Fedun just cleared waivers according to TSN 1040. https://twitter.com/TSN1040/status/649985416200912896 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekey Pete Posted October 2, 2015 Share Posted October 2, 2015 Definitely a conflict between coach and statements made by management, thus the confusion on what the team is doing. WD is probably just trying to hang on to his job, it took so long to get here he doesn't want to take any chances and Vey??? If any other "kids" make the team that would likely mean the end of Vey in the NHL. So no "kids" = Vey. There was never any chance that all of our prospects were going to make the team. Those statements are just to get people interested in the Canucks early on. He is rightfully concerned about the kids ability to play a full 82 game season based on a very short preseason against sub-par competition. It must be an incredibly hard decision to make. You also can't just dump your veterans like garbage when a young guy outplays them, because those guys have put in their time too. I don't know what they'll end up doing, but I'm tired of seeing Willie being painted as the "bad guy" who hates kids. That's just media fodder... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekey Pete Posted October 2, 2015 Share Posted October 2, 2015 Definitely a conflict between coach and statements made by management, thus the confusion on what the team is doing. WD is probably just trying to hang on to his job, it took so long to get here he doesn't want to take any chances and Vey??? If any other "kids" make the team that would likely mean the end of Vey in the NHL. So no "kids" = Vey. and a new thread emerges Willie D is the wrong coach for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theminister Posted October 2, 2015 Share Posted October 2, 2015 The GM decides the roster with some input from the coach. The coach makes the lineup with some input from the GM. Willie will have what Jimmy gives him to work with. WD is thinking about this year and JB is thinking about all years. It's not that hard to figure out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
73 Percent Posted October 2, 2015 Share Posted October 2, 2015 The GM decides the roster with some input from the coach. The coach makes the lineup with some input from the GM. Willie will have what Jimmy gives him to work with. WD is thinking about this year and JB is thinking about all years. It's not that hard to figure out.you and i both know its harder for some people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGuardian_ Posted October 2, 2015 Share Posted October 2, 2015 There was never any chance that all of our prospects were going to make the team. Those statements are just to get people interested in the Canucks early on. He is rightfully concerned about the kids ability to play a full 82 game season based on a very short preseason against sub-par competition. It must be an incredibly hard decision to make. You also can't just dump your veterans like garbage when a young guy outplays them, because those guys have put in their time too. I don't know what they'll end up doing, but I'm tired of seeing Willie being painted as the "bad guy" who hates kids. That's just media fodder... A youth movement isn't just about trading for other team's rejects to get the average age down and it usually means more than one per season. There are 23 roster spots surely a youth movement could include 2 or 3? WD doesn't "hate" kids, he really likes Vey. Dumping vets? If they were sent down to the farm....if...they would still be paid their NHL salary/cap hit and if...they were picked up on waivers I do believe the Nucks would only be hit with 1/2 salary and 1/2 cap relief. Not that they would, but if...Burrows was sent down and then recalled.....or Vey and someone grabbed him.....and he is replaced by lets say Guance....financially that doesn't hurt the Nucks too much. WD may want to integrate one or two per year but what happens when Vrbata, Burrows, Higgins, possibly the 38 yr old Sedins all go? The team will have a bunch of prospects that can't fill in. Even WD stated that is will be really hard for Sven to slide into a top six scoring role THIS season with vets, imagine without the vets, see Edmonton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyoung Posted October 2, 2015 Share Posted October 2, 2015 The GM decides the roster with some input from the coach. The coach makes the lineup with some input from the GM. Willie will have what Jimmy gives him to work with. WD is thinking about this year and JB is thinking about all years. It's not that hard to figure out. Extremely difficult here on CDC. Haha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaudette Celly Posted October 2, 2015 Share Posted October 2, 2015 The thing about the youth infusion is that it won't happen all in the same year or all at the same time.This isn't the training camp for a massive youth infusion anyway. This year is a transition year. There will be more doors open next camp after we move out some vets during the season and offseason. The process was begun this year but it is not a straight line progression. It will take years, and should. As frustrating as it will be for some fans, this season will be much the same as last year with only a slight turn toward youth. It won't be until the likes of Higgins, Burrows, Vrbata, and Hamhuis get rolled out on the trade market before we can get a look at the future roster. It's another 12-18 months away. All of our young players will benefit from the incubation period. I totally see it as another transition year as well, but with the one caveat -- they supposedly brought in guys like Prust to establish a certain environment and mentorship for the young guys coming in. If there are youth that are ready, then would not this be the exact right time to bring them in? The alternative of waiting and bringing them in next year is that you need to re-sign Prust or others like him in order to keep that environment, or else believe that the rookies this year will be sufficiently acclimated in a single season so as to provide the same for the newest ones. If we have that environment this year but then blow out the one-year deals and bring the youth in next, that removes much of said environment. The present regime has certainly shown to be conservative, and the moves that have been outlined as probable are about as conservative as it gets, short of sending Virtanen down off the snap. Next year, there may well be even more youth ready than there are now (Shinkaruk, Jensen, etc.) and then what -- again only permit a trickle of one or two? The responsibility here must ultimately be to ice the best team possible. If you do not do that because of being hamstrung by contracts or the fears of the coach, then things are not in their proper order and need to be addressed. Hutton and McCann were clearly better than many players on the current roster. Certainly there is risk involved, but at what point is there none? Yeah, there isn't one. The team we saw the last two games is a far cry from what we saw in the playoffs last year. By this time next month we're going to be back to the old, slow, unmotivated stale roster of last year for the most part. How much longer are we going to keep that up, when it is becoming clear that the transition need not happen at glacial speed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aliboy Posted October 2, 2015 Share Posted October 2, 2015 Definitely a conflict between coach and statements made by management, thus the confusion on what the team is doing. WD is probably just trying to hang on to his job, it took so long to get here he doesn't want to take any chances and Vey??? If any other "kids" make the team that would likely mean the end of Vey in the NHL. So no "kids" = Vey. No, not just statements made by the management, WD said, we've got guys pushing for jobs and we have to.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Fig Posted October 2, 2015 Share Posted October 2, 2015 cant reveal my source lol - but I know a guy who knows a guy in the front office lol Hutton- going to Utica- will be first call up if a L or R shot d man gets injured Fedun-uticaBiega-UticaCracknell-Utica Virtanen - staying for at least 9 games but they are going to give him the Horvat treatment- he is JB's favorite more than Mccann for some reason McCann- going straight back to Jr, no 9 games, WD and JB could not agree on keeping him, its too many young players for WD to handle, he is nervous with his position on the canucks, nervous about what happened against calgary and is not ready to bring so many young players in, WD wants higgins in the lineup as soon as he is healthy enough to come back. WD does not trust young players very easily and still thinks Horvat is an exception. WD does not want Virtanen around but he is the compromise Gaunce - stays until higgins is back and then he is back to Utica. Corrado/Weber/Bartowski are al staying Vey is staying and will center the 4th line between prust and dorsette at the end of the day the only new young player on the team will be virtanenNervous about what happened against calgary and is not ready to bring so many young players in?If true, this is pathetic. Has Willie seen the birthdates of the players on the Flames who ran roughshod over his guys? And did he notice his youngest player was his best player? Smacks of complete cowardice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aliboy Posted October 2, 2015 Share Posted October 2, 2015 The GM decides the roster with some input from the coach. The coach makes the lineup with some input from the GM. Willie will have what Jimmy gives him to work with. WD is thinking about this year and JB is thinking about all years. It's not that hard to figure out. I'm hoping that the GM does what he believes to be right for the team and organization. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekey Pete Posted October 2, 2015 Share Posted October 2, 2015 A youth movement isn't just about trading for other team's rejects to get the average age down and it usually means more than one per season. There are 23 roster spots surely a youth movement could include 2 or 3? WD doesn't "hate" kids, he really likes Vey. Dumping vets? If they were sent down to the farm....if...they would still be paid their NHL salary/cap hit and if...they were picked up on waivers I do believe the Nucks would only be hit with 1/2 salary and 1/2 cap relief. Not that they would, but if...Burrows was sent down and then recalled.....or Vey and someone grabbed him.....and he is replaced by lets say Guance....financially that doesn't hurt the Nucks too much. WD may want to integrate one or two per year but what happens when Vrbata, Burrows, Higgins, possibly the 38 yr old Sedins all go? The team will have a bunch of prospects that can't fill in. Even WD stated that is will be really hard for Sven to slide into a top six scoring role THIS season with vets, imagine without the vets, see Edmonton. Your argument makes almost zero sense. You want to get the prospects in sooner (in place of veterans) so that we don't end up like Edmonton, a team full of prospects with no veterans. Horvat and a lot of the guys we're seeing now won't be prospects when it's time for the Sedins to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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