Canada Hockey Place Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 Blaming Weber/coaches for playing Weber is easy.... if you completely ignore the lack of depth in the whole organization. I don't see anybody defending Weber's performance, they are trying to point out the lack of options. Swapping Biega for Weber may seem like a solution to some. But that's only addressing the fact they don't want Weber in the line up. It doesn't magically solve the lack of depth in the organization. Edler Tanev Hamhuis Weber Sbisa Bartkowski Hutton Pedan Biega Ehrhardt Fedun Negrin Subban Sautner Shields Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdgarM Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 3 minutes ago, Canada Hockey Place said: Blaming Weber/coaches for playing Weber is easy.... if you completely ignore the lack of depth in the whole organization. I don't see anybody defending Weber's performance, they are trying to point out the lack of options. Swapping Biega for Weber may seem like a solution to some. But that's only addressing the fact they don't want Weber in the line up. It doesn't magically solve the lack of depth in the organization. Edler Tanev Hamhuis Weber Sbisa Bartkowski Hutton Pedan Biega Ehrhardt Fedun Negrin Subban Sautner Shields Yup that clears it up, thanks for that. Your list is a little off though........Weber should be below Shields. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AngelicHearts Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 First everyone hates on Sbisa and now it's Weber... Who's next? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sockeye Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 Whether Weber plays or not, will not impact this team significantly. All the D have had difficulties this year. We need Sbisa back in the lineup for his grit. Edler started out weak with lots of turnovers but, in the last 10 games, I see significant improvement. Weber is a little off this year compared to last year but he does have a good shot from the point - better than anybody else except for Edler. Weber is also a right handed shot which is a commodity that we are in short supply. I'd like to look at the positive - I think it was against Dallas where he moved the puck into the offensive zone and made a great pass to one of the Sedins who then passed it to the other Sedin and this all led to a goal. I looked at the second Chicago goal again, Weber had position and was outmanned (two Hawks to him) - just unlucky. Bartkowski could be blamed too - he could have stepped up to the winger and taken the pass away. If you're looking for a whipping boy, I don't buy it. For a 7th or 8th D, I'm fine with Weber. We have lots of other issues: lack of forward depth, lack of top prospects (where's our Artemi Panarin?) , no secondary scoring after the Sedins line, lack of solid D prospects, very average D, etc etc. I would like to see McCann and Virtanen go to the WJC - could be a great confidence builder and a positive environment. Given no Sutter and no Hamhuis for several weeks, we will be truly lucky to make the playoffs. I just want to see the team compete every night, win or lose. We may also have to trade one or two of our top 9 veteran forwards (not the Sedins) to get a pick or two (for the future). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canucks-12 Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 Weber has an awesome slapshot, he just has to utilize it more often. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elvis15 Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 1 hour ago, EdgarM said: No I think he is last years Vey in that JB is not willing to admit he made a mistake and is hoping he is going to miraculously turn into an offensive Dman. Since he has started his career in the NHL, he has always been a -minus player. Nothing indicated he was going to be defensively responsible and being offensive was going to be his only assett. 4 points and 0 goals in 22 games? I would say that its a fail. Again, good thing we're only using him as a depth defenceman. The bad thing is we've needed our depth a lot this year so far. There's a difference between a fail and bringing back a transition guy short term who isn't playing as well as he did the previous year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdgarM Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 10 minutes ago, elvis15 said: Again, good thing we're only using him as a depth defenceman. The bad thing is we've needed our depth a lot this year so far. There's a difference between a fail and bringing back a transition guy short term who isn't playing as well as he did the previous year. Yeah lets look at that: 2008-2009 CANADIENS 3 0 1 1 -1 2 0 0 0 6 0.0 2008-2009 HAMILTON BULLDOGS-AHL 68 16 28 44 11 42 10 0 2 2008-2009 SWITZERLAND-WC-A 3 0 0 0 8 2009-2010 CANADIENS 5 0 0 0 -5 4 0 0 0 2 0.0 2009-2010 HAMILTON BULLDOGS-AHL 65 7 25 32 16 58 2 0 2 2009-2010 SWITZERLAND-OLYMPICS 5 0 0 0 6 2010-2011 CANADIENS 41 1 10 11 0 14 0 0 0 63 1.6 2010-2011 HAMILTON BULLDOGS-AHL 15 8 4 12 -5 10 4 0 2 51 15.7 2011-2012 CANADIENS 60 4 14 18 -7 30 4 0 0 88 4.6 2012-2013 CANADIENS 6 0 2 2 -1 2 0 0 0 3 0.0 2012-2013 HC GENEVE-SERVETTE-SWISS 32 5 16 21 40 2013-2014 CANUCKS 49 6 4 10 -7 16 3 0 2 70 8.6 2013-2014 UTICA COMETS-AHL 7 2 5 7 -5 0 2 0 1 15 13.3 2013-2014 SWITZERLAND-OLYMPICS 4 0 0 0 0 2 0 0 0 10 2013-2014 SWITZERLAND-WC-A 7 3 1 4 1 4 2 0 2 14 2014-2015 CANUCKS 65 11 10 21 4 30 5 0 1 117 9.4 2015-2016 CANUCKS 22 0 4 4 -13 10 0 0 0 40 0.0 NHL TOTALS 251 22 45 67 -30 108 12 0 3 389 5. What year was that? He is a career -30!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhillipBlunt Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 8 hours ago, Twilight Sparkle said: there arent enough shootings to be surrey D: New West does have a healthy mullet ratio though. Last time I was in New West, I was at the IHOP near 6th St, and the amount of skids with plumage was a thing to behold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RWMc1 Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 15 minutes ago, EdgarM said: Yeah lets look at that: 2008-2009 CANADIENS 3 0 1 1 -1 2 0 0 0 6 0.0 2008-2009 HAMILTON BULLDOGS-AHL 68 16 28 44 11 42 10 0 2 2008-2009 SWITZERLAND-WC-A 3 0 0 0 8 2009-2010 CANADIENS 5 0 0 0 -5 4 0 0 0 2 0.0 2009-2010 HAMILTON BULLDOGS-AHL 65 7 25 32 16 58 2 0 2 2009-2010 SWITZERLAND-OLYMPICS 5 0 0 0 6 2010-2011 CANADIENS 41 1 10 11 0 14 0 0 0 63 1.6 2010-2011 HAMILTON BULLDOGS-AHL 15 8 4 12 -5 10 4 0 2 51 15.7 2011-2012 CANADIENS 60 4 14 18 -7 30 4 0 0 88 4.6 2012-2013 CANADIENS 6 0 2 2 -1 2 0 0 0 3 0.0 2012-2013 HC GENEVE-SERVETTE-SWISS 32 5 16 21 40 2013-2014 CANUCKS 49 6 4 10 -7 16 3 0 2 70 8.6 2013-2014 UTICA COMETS-AHL 7 2 5 7 -5 0 2 0 1 15 13.3 2013-2014 SWITZERLAND-OLYMPICS 4 0 0 0 0 2 0 0 0 10 2013-2014 SWITZERLAND-WC-A 7 3 1 4 1 4 2 0 2 14 2014-2015 CANUCKS 65 11 10 21 4 30 5 0 1 117 9.4 2015-2016 CANUCKS 22 0 4 4 -13 10 0 0 0 40 0.0 NHL TOTALS 251 22 45 67 -30 108 12 0 3 389 5. What year was that? He is a career -30!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Did you even look at the stats that you provided. He was +4 with 11g and 10a last season. Weber hasn't played great, but he is far from the main reason we are playing so badly. I know we expect more offence from him, but our secondary scoring is abysmal. That falls on the forwards more than just one depth d-man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdgarM Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 10 minutes ago, RWMc1 said: Did you even look at the stats that you provided. He was +4 with 11g and 10a last season. Weber hasn't played great, but he is far from the main reason we are playing so badly. I know we expect more offence from him, but our secondary scoring is abysmal. That falls on the forwards more than just one depth d-man. Did you look at his -13 this year? How about his previous stats prior to last year? His + - in 2010-11 was 0 and it was +4 last year, every other year it was -minus. Again he is a career -30 and you cannot paint that rosy red no matter how you look at it. You have to admit the team plays way better without him in the line up. I can handle our team not playing up to par due to injuries(Sutter,Sbisa) and I can handle our other Dman having brain farts(Edler,Hammer,Sbisa) now and then but this guy is just plain awful and when a guy like RNH roughs you up? Then its time to find another career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesB Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 13 hours ago, HC20.0 said: Come on guys. I don't like Weber personally, but is a thread dedicated to how much he sucks really necessary? There are a lot more problems with the team then just Weber. Yes he makes me pull my hair out a lot, and he is BRUTAL defensively, but he's not the worst player to ever suit up for us. It's also not his fault that he's pretty much been thrown to the wolves because of how bad our defense is. Agreed, He is a low cost guy who is doing his best. And he seems like a decent guy. On most teams he is either 7th man or in the minors. It makes no sense that he is playing top 4 (or even top 6) except that the Canucks are suffering from very limited depth on D and key injuries on D. His one saving grace is that he does have some offensive skill that shows up on the PP, But he has been kind of unlucky so far this year so this skill (such as it is) has not resulted in much actual scoring (4 pts and no goals in 22 games). But the criticism should be directed at JB and WD, not at Weber. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RWMc1 Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 1 hour ago, elvis15 said: Again, good thing we're only using him as a depth defenceman. The bad thing is we've needed our depth a lot this year so far. There's a difference between a fail and bringing back a transition guy short term who isn't playing as well as he did the previous year. 53 minutes ago, EdgarM said: Yeah lets look at that: 2008-2009 CANADIENS 3 0 1 1 -1 2 0 0 0 6 0.0 2008-2009 HAMILTON BULLDOGS-AHL 68 16 28 44 11 42 10 0 2 2008-2009 SWITZERLAND-WC-A 3 0 0 0 8 2009-2010 CANADIENS 5 0 0 0 -5 4 0 0 0 2 0.0 2009-2010 HAMILTON BULLDOGS-AHL 65 7 25 32 16 58 2 0 2 2009-2010 SWITZERLAND-OLYMPICS 5 0 0 0 6 2010-2011 CANADIENS 41 1 10 11 0 14 0 0 0 63 1.6 2010-2011 HAMILTON BULLDOGS-AHL 15 8 4 12 -5 10 4 0 2 51 15.7 2011-2012 CANADIENS 60 4 14 18 -7 30 4 0 0 88 4.6 2012-2013 CANADIENS 6 0 2 2 -1 2 0 0 0 3 0.0 2012-2013 HC GENEVE-SERVETTE-SWISS 32 5 16 21 40 2013-2014 CANUCKS 49 6 4 10 -7 16 3 0 2 70 8.6 2013-2014 UTICA COMETS-AHL 7 2 5 7 -5 0 2 0 1 15 13.3 2013-2014 SWITZERLAND-OLYMPICS 4 0 0 0 0 2 0 0 0 10 2013-2014 SWITZERLAND-WC-A 7 3 1 4 1 4 2 0 2 14 2014-2015 CANUCKS 65 11 10 21 4 30 5 0 1 117 9.4 2015-2016 CANUCKS 22 0 4 4 -13 10 0 0 0 40 0.0 NHL TOTALS 251 22 45 67 -30 108 12 0 3 389 5. What year was that? He is a career -30!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Context helps. You were responding to someone and the answer to your question was in the stats you provided. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CANUCK-EXPRESS Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 He's valuable to this team atm.... He's helping us lose games.. #LoseforMatthews #AllinforChychrun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*Buzzsaw* Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 Speaking of low rent defensemen... Ryan Stanton is playing in the Capitals farm system. Maybe the Canucks should think about picking him up now that Hamhuis is gone for most of the season? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
butters Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 13 hours ago, bigbadcanucks said: I wish I was as bad as Yannick Weber was at my job and someone paid me $1.5 million for it. You are nowhere near as good at anything as he is at hockey. He is one of the best in the world, good enough to be in the top professional league. He's not as good as hundreds of others, but better than most. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdgarM Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 27 minutes ago, RWMc1 said: Context helps. You were responding to someone and the answer to your question was in the stats you provided. Its called sarcasm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elvis15 Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 2 hours ago, EdgarM said: Yeah lets look at that: 2008-2009 CANADIENS 3 0 1 1 -1 2 0 0 0 6 0.0 2008-2009 HAMILTON BULLDOGS-AHL 68 16 28 44 11 42 10 0 2 2008-2009 SWITZERLAND-WC-A 3 0 0 0 8 2009-2010 CANADIENS 5 0 0 0 -5 4 0 0 0 2 0.0 2009-2010 HAMILTON BULLDOGS-AHL 65 7 25 32 16 58 2 0 2 2009-2010 SWITZERLAND-OLYMPICS 5 0 0 0 6 2010-2011 CANADIENS 41 1 10 11 0 14 0 0 0 63 1.6 2010-2011 HAMILTON BULLDOGS-AHL 15 8 4 12 -5 10 4 0 2 51 15.7 2011-2012 CANADIENS 60 4 14 18 -7 30 4 0 0 88 4.6 2012-2013 CANADIENS 6 0 2 2 -1 2 0 0 0 3 0.0 2012-2013 HC GENEVE-SERVETTE-SWISS 32 5 16 21 40 2013-2014 CANUCKS 49 6 4 10 -7 16 3 0 2 70 8.6 2013-2014 UTICA COMETS-AHL 7 2 5 7 -5 0 2 0 1 15 13.3 2013-2014 SWITZERLAND-OLYMPICS 4 0 0 0 0 2 0 0 0 10 2013-2014 SWITZERLAND-WC-A 7 3 1 4 1 4 2 0 2 14 2014-2015 CANUCKS 65 11 10 21 4 30 5 0 1 117 9.4 2015-2016 CANUCKS 22 0 4 4 -13 10 0 0 0 40 0.0 NHL TOTALS 251 22 45 67 -30 108 12 0 3 389 5. What year was that? He is a career -30!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! If you can't figure it out from the phrase "the previous year" then no amount of explaining I do will help you. Hell, you posted the stats yourself, don't let your hate blind you, 11 goals, 21 points (and a plus season at that) is pretty good for a guy who isn't a starter the whole year. EDIT: and he's never been in the double digits for +/-, which is a terrible stat to begin with, until this year so you'll have to bring it a lot strong to convince anyone you aren't just hating and have nothing to back your statements. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edlerberry Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 15 hours ago, Adamth said: the whole team sucked wher is the fire power?? when we needed from ur so call Daniel Sedin?? WHAT IS GOING ON HERE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhillipBlunt Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 1 hour ago, butters said: You are nowhere near as good at anything as he is at hockey. He is one of the best in the world, good enough to be in the top professional league. He's not as good as hundreds of others, but better than most. Is that you Yannick? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhillipBlunt Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 1 minute ago, Edlerberry said: WHAT IS GOING ON HERE Is the retired, mental or physical? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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