ForsbergTheGreat Posted April 16, 2017 Share Posted April 16, 2017 (edited) 2 hours ago, Horvat is a Boss said: A while back I summarized a post I found on HFBoards. There was a guy on there who claimed to have inside information. Apparently last year he predicted that the Canucks would take Juolevi over Tkachuk at the midway point of the season. This same guy said the Canucks are very high on Necas and have Vilardi and Mittlestadt rated lower than fans might expect. I'm not sure if the person you quoted is the same person or not, but just a possibility. I would the information above with a grain of salt as well. Yeah but you realize how bs that guy is when at the midway point Canucks had zero idea where we would be picking. To state we were going to pick julovie over tkachuk when we for all we knew at that time we could have ended up with the 2nd or first overall, is just utter nonsense. The earliest a person could have made that claim would have been april 30th when the lottery results were in. Any sort of prediction before that was pure guess work. Edited April 16, 2017 by ForsbergTheGreat 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phat Fingers Posted April 16, 2017 Share Posted April 16, 2017 On 2017-04-15 at 7:09 PM, SID.IS.SID.ME.IS.ME said: Makar stayed in the AJHL so he could chase a scholarship. Committed to UMass (Amherst) late last year and he will be college bound next season. EDIT: Make that was planning on college next year. Possible he goes direct to NHL based on recent reports (not sure I buy them though and might be hype). I'd rather see him grow and develop in the NCAA. EDIT2: And he's going to Amherst. At least based on a quote from two days ago. Somebody suggested in a previous report he could forego college entirely and go straight to NHL but that Makar seems intent on playing for the Minutemen: http://www.gazettenet.com/Cale-Makar-on-everyone-s-mind-9165616 He was drafted by Medicine Hat but decided not to go the CHL route: “I was a pretty small guy at the time,” Makar said. “For my development’s sake I thought a longer career path was the way to go. I thought that the college-AJHL route was the best for me.” https://www.google.ca/amp/globalnews.ca/news/3196026/brooks-bandits-cale-makar-has-chance-to-make-history/amp/ Cool, I still don't buy the hype. Not a scout but I worried that he turns out to be a Mason Raymond player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noble 6 Posted April 16, 2017 Share Posted April 16, 2017 1 hour ago, drummerboy said: So you heard from a guy on the internet. Legit. It may sound crazy, but I had the Canucks picking Juolevi too. Does that make me an insider? I just really dont see the canucks going that far off the board with the 3-4 pick. I'd put money them picking Liljegrin after number 2 I know exactly how it sounds and I'm not blaming anyone for not taking him seriously. I believe that you had Juolevi over Tkachuk on your personal list as well, but that's different than predicting the Canucks list accurately, which he apparently has done. Also if they have Necas at #3 (just hypothetically) and they take him at 3rd overall, it would only be off the board in terms of what the media was projecting, not Benning's list. I agree that Liljegren should be one of their targets outside of the top-2, and he probably is. 56 minutes ago, ForsbergTheGreat said: Yeah but you realize how bs that guy is when at the midway point Canucks had zero idea where we would be picking. To state we were going to pick julovie over tkachuk when we for all we knew at that time we could have ended up with the 2nd or first overall, is just utter nonsense. The earliest a person could have made that claim would have been april 30th when the lottery results were in. Any sort of prediction before that was pure guess work. I don't think he necessarily predicted when we would be picking or that we would be picking Juolevi, he just said that the Canucks would prefer Juolevi over Tkachuk if they were in a position to choose between the two, which they ended up doing. Obviously they wouldn't have taken him at second overall, only if the 3-4 players ranked above him were gone. As it turned out, we ended being in a position on draft day where the 3 or 4 players Benning had above Juolevi were gone and he chose him over Tkachuk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Noble 6 Posted April 16, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted April 16, 2017 2 hours ago, messier's_elbow said: Do you really think Benning is going to draft a small centre when we already have Dahlin, Granlund, Baer, Goldobin. I guess it's possible especially if we pick 5th. Rather have Vilardi, Mittelstadt or Cody Glass though. I don't understand the fascination with size. If Necas is a better player than Vilardi, you choose Necas. It doesn't matter if Vilardi has an extra 3 inches and 20lbs. If you have 2 players and they are the exact same in every way except player A is 6'4, 220lbs and player B is 5'9, 175lbs, then obviously you take the bigger guy. But having 2 players be exactly the same in every way except for size is extremely unlikely. If there is a player with size AND a good amount of skill, IQ, skating, etc. then he has the potential to be a special player. That's the type of pick we made at 6th overall in 2014. Don't want to discuss that too much and derail this thread, but that's the idea. Vilardi probably isn't at that level of talent where you can justify picking him over someone else based on his size. If his skating was better he probably would be. Also, isn't speed the name of the game? Isn't that what everyone was saying when Pittsburgh won the Cup? That the league was trending towards smaller, faster and more skilled players? Why is that line of thinking already being abandoned? People were saying speed, skill and IQ should be what we are focus in on since the 2014 draft, nut I guess that's gone. I think people are concerned about building a forward core that has no pushback. That would be a bad thing. However, I don't think we're doing that. We have Horvat, who is gritty and works hard down low. We've also see him do very well in a fight now too. He won't be pushed around. Boeser isn't a powerforward, but he also won't be an easy target. Dahlen plays like Markus Granlund, he won't stand around take punches without retaliating. On top of that we still have; Virtanen, who has the potential to be one of the most feared players in the league, Gaudette, who will stand up for himself, Lockwood, who has that edge and grit to his game, and some more who are longshots. The only players who can accurately be labelled soft are Baertschi, Granlund and Goldobin. That's 3 out of 12 forwards. They look like they could offer more than bruising hits if they stick around though. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KKnight Posted April 17, 2017 Share Posted April 17, 2017 1 hour ago, Eastcoast meets Westcoast said: Cool, I still don't buy the hype. Not a scout but I worried that he turns out to be a Mason Raymond player. Pretty hard to be a mason raymond, when you dont even play forward. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baumerman77 Posted April 17, 2017 Share Posted April 17, 2017 Would anyone else consider Suzuki at 5? The guy is an amazing talent albeit a little undersized (which I think matters less in the current NHL). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
73 Percent Posted April 17, 2017 Share Posted April 17, 2017 (edited) 28 minutes ago, baumerman77 said: Would anyone else consider Suzuki at 5? The guy is an amazing talent albeit a little undersized (which I think matters less in the current NHL). Isn't he like super undersized? There's a difference between 180 and 140. Nvm he's 183 I thought he was like 150. Sorry. Edited April 17, 2017 by 73 Percent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baumerman77 Posted April 17, 2017 Share Posted April 17, 2017 1 minute ago, 73 Percent said: Isn't he like super undersized? There's a difference between 180 and 140. I haven't heard that. I guess we will find out his measurements at the combine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenhodgejr Posted April 17, 2017 Share Posted April 17, 2017 I here'd a comparison of Nolan Patrick to a style similar to Bo Horvat. If we pick first this year and we take Patrick what if we played him in a 2nd or 3rd line center and then if we have another bad year maybe we can draft Jake Wise next season. A franchise center in Wise followed by two solid defensively responsible guys in Patrick and Horvat. That would make our team solid as a rock to build around. Granlund Wise Boesser Goldobin Patrick Dahlen Beartchi Horvat Lockwood McEwan Gaudette Virtanen Juolevi Stetcher Hutton Tyramkin Gudbranson Subban Demko Markstrom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noble 6 Posted April 17, 2017 Share Posted April 17, 2017 I think one key factor that should be considered when formulating rankings and determining who you want is who is eligible for the AHL next year. That is such a huge advantage for the organization as they are able to get up close and control a player's development. We all know what can happen when you are restricted to either the NHL or CHL until you're 20-21. In addition, players that are playing in mens leagues should also have an advantage. Based on that, I would have it as: 1) Hischier (AHL) 2) Patrick 3) Necas (AHL and has been playing in a mens league) 4) Liljegren (AHL and has been playing in a mens league) Those are the main guys who fall into that category. Patrick has also expressed possible interest in going over to Europe for a year to work on his skating. If he is allowed to do that then that is bonus for the team that takes him. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baumerman77 Posted April 17, 2017 Share Posted April 17, 2017 19 minutes ago, Horvat is a Boss said: I think one key factor that should be considered when formulating rankings and determining who you want is who is eligible for the AHL next year. That is such a huge advantage for the organization as they are able to get up close and control a player's development. We all know what can happen when you are restricted to either the NHL or CHL until you're 20-21. In addition, players that are playing in mens leagues should also have an advantage. Based on that, I would have it as: 1) Hischier (AHL) 2) Patrick 3) Necas (AHL and has been playing in a mens league) 4) Liljegren (AHL and has been playing in a mens league) Those are the main guys who fall into that category. Patrick has also expressed possible interest in going over to Europe for a year to work on his skating. If he is allowed to do that then that is bonus for the team that takes him. I don't really think this applies to Patrick. If he is healthy he will be in the NHL next season. I can't remember the last time a first overall pick, especially a forward, didn't play in the NHL the following season (and yes I am assuming he still goes first). Regardless, he definitely has the skill, size, IQ, etc to be in the NHL next year. I think AHL eligibility is a factor for picks 3-6, albeit not an overly important one. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby_Lu1ngo Posted April 17, 2017 Share Posted April 17, 2017 3 hours ago, Eastcoast meets Westcoast said: Cool, I still don't buy the hype. Not a scout but I worried that he turns out to be a Mason Raymond player. Tyson Jost.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoneypuckOverlord Posted April 17, 2017 Share Posted April 17, 2017 (edited) 5 hours ago, drummerboy said: So you heard from a guy on the internet. Legit. It may sound crazy, but I had the Canucks picking Juolevi too. Does that make me an insider? I just really dont see the canucks going that far off the board with the 3-4 pick. I'd put money them picking Liljegrin after number 2 I'm not insider I just have their rankings from mid terms. not saying necas is the 3rd pick, he is the 2nd highest ranked 2way foward. Liljegrin is the top rated offensive dman. Edited April 17, 2017 by MoneypuckOverlord Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuckledraggin Posted April 17, 2017 Share Posted April 17, 2017 2 hours ago, Horvat is a Boss said: I think one key factor that should be considered when formulating rankings and determining who you want is who is eligible for the AHL next year. That is such a huge advantage for the organization as they are able to get up close and control a player's development. We all know what can happen when you are restricted to either the NHL or CHL until you're 20-21. In addition, players that are playing in mens leagues should also have an advantage. Based on that, I would have it as: 1) Hischier (AHL) 2) Patrick 3) Necas (AHL and has been playing in a mens league) 4) Liljegren (AHL and has been playing in a mens league) Those are the main guys who fall into that category. Patrick has also expressed possible interest in going over to Europe for a year to work on his skating. If he is allowed to do that then that is bonus for the team that takes him. This is a huge factor and it's a huge advantage for the next draft class as we see the advantages of the AHL where 85% of NHL players come from. I'm a fan of Necas, because of the Czech factor and his ability to bond with Jasek. I saw some of the Trinec games and Jasek was being used as a 4th line center taking only draws in the defensive zone. I like the Russian factor with Try and Goldy. The Americans Boeser, Gaudette and Lockwood. The Swedes with Sedins Edler, Dahlen and the Finns with Granlund and Juolevi. The Canadians are the next leaders Bo, Guddy, Tanev (might be too good to stay on the team.), Sutter ( underrated. Put him in a 2/3 role PK specialist role and he will earn his paycheck.). I believe that JB knows what he's doing when building this team. WD was all about building relationships and he was a good teacher the way we need the next coach to be. It's all about letting a team grow up together now, the way the Oilers did in the mid 80's and the Leafs are doing now.. I could see Patrick slipping the way Jones did a few years ago for that reason. If we get 1st I go with Hischier and if we get 3-5 I would take Necas. There's a need for a dynamic center with 2 way instincts to give Horvat more room to move. Hischier Patrick Necas Mittelstadt Vilardi Liljegren The top 2 is set by all accounts, but I just don't see how we aren't taking a center this year. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sedinyoureyesontheprize Posted April 17, 2017 Share Posted April 17, 2017 should've kept Kass 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phat Fingers Posted April 17, 2017 Share Posted April 17, 2017 3 hours ago, KKnight said: Pretty hard to be a mason raymond, when you dont even play forward. Know Makar is a d man. Just don't the hype yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AV's Coin Posted April 17, 2017 Share Posted April 17, 2017 3 hours ago, baumerman77 said: Would anyone else consider Suzuki at 5? The guy is an amazing talent albeit a little undersized (which I think matters less in the current NHL). He is heavier than Hischier and one of the youngest in the draft so room to grow physically and developmentally. Maybe not at 5 but if the centers are gone by 5 we could trade down and pick him up. Or as suggested earlier make a trade of one of Tanev/Edler for a mid first round pick and use it on Suzuki and pick Liljegren with #5. That way we get a play making D man and a play making center in one swoop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baumerman77 Posted April 17, 2017 Share Posted April 17, 2017 Does everyone know something I don't about Necas because he doesn't look like a top 10 pick to me. I remember he did well at the WJC but his numbers don't scream top 10 neither do the highlights of seen of him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted April 17, 2017 Share Posted April 17, 2017 5 minutes ago, baumerman77 said: Does everyone know something I don't about Necas because he doesn't look like a top 10 pick to me. I remember he did well at the WJC but his numbers don't scream top 10 neither do the highlights of seen of him. Are you implying JB will take him at 3-5 but you think it's a mistake? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baumerman77 Posted April 17, 2017 Share Posted April 17, 2017 Just now, Alflives said: Are you implying JB will take him at 3-5 but you think it's a mistake? Nope. I have no idea what JB thinks of him. I have just seen some people mention him as a top 5 pick and he doesn't look that good to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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