flickyoursedin Posted February 26, 2017 Share Posted February 26, 2017 5 hours ago, Horvat is a Boss said: I'm hoping that Liljegren falls to us if we aren't in the top 3. It looks like it could be a possibility and it would be huge for us if we could get a prospect like that outside the top 3. Our D-core would be set with a great mix of offensive puck movers and big, stay at home guys. This is getting extremely optimistic, but if we draft Liljegren this year, maybe we could offer a package including him for 1st overall next year and land Dahlin. Something like Liljegren + 1st 2018 + Boeser. Liljegren would be an elite offensive defenseman that they pass up in Dahlin, and they also get 2 other very good pieces. This is a hypothetical situation that could only happen if another hypothetical situation actually happens, so it is extremely unlikely. I've thought about the nightmare that is drafting for need because I felt like we did that when we drafted Juolevi over Tkachuk. Now that we have Juolevi and some other young guys turning it up like Stetcher, Tryamkin and Hutton I can see management being in the 5 spot and passing on Liljigren because we really need highly skilled forward prospects. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seven pounds soft Posted February 26, 2017 Share Posted February 26, 2017 6 hours ago, flickyoursedin said: Hoping for a top 3 pick! Patrick, Hischier and Liljigren in that order come on lottery!!! Also adding another pick in the teens for Elias Petterson who I think is being massively overlooked to this point. Leading his mens team in points and almost a ppg is outstanding for the league he plays in for his age. The next Nicklas Backstrom. I like your style Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
missioncanucksfan Posted February 26, 2017 Share Posted February 26, 2017 2 hours ago, The 5th Line said: I said FAILING not FAILED. He is failing right now, simply by looking at his stat line any monkey can see that he is FAILING. You guys are still trying to argue this? He's in his draft +3 This isn't his first year At least Sam Bennet is doing poorly in Calgary, meanwhile Virtanen is doing poorly in the Minor Leagues. Dal Colle? If Virtanen is doing just fine then I would consider Dal Colle a superstar. His point totals are much better than Jake's Oh ok....so you just look at a guys stats and determine he is failing. How do you know he is failing in the minors? Oh that's right coz you looked up his stats....K. ..gotcha. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyoung Posted February 26, 2017 Share Posted February 26, 2017 Vilardi is looking possible now... Me like 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blömqvist Posted February 26, 2017 Share Posted February 26, 2017 If we trade Tanev for a forward, I would definitely take Liljegren if he's on the board when we draft (assuming Patrick and Hischier are already taken). It isn't the sexy pick but it would further solidify the defense for the next decade with two potential "top-pairing" d pairs. Tryamkin, Liljegren, and Juolevi all have #1D as their ceiling and have really high floors as a #2D or #3D considering their skillsets. Tryamkin - Liljegren Juolevi - Gudbranson Hutton - Stecher Brisebois/McEneny - Subban Then draft forward-heavy the next few years. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaBamba Posted February 26, 2017 Share Posted February 26, 2017 6 hours ago, Blömqvist said: If we trade Tanev for a forward, I would definitely take Liljegren if he's on the board when we draft (assuming Patrick and Hischier are already taken). It isn't the sexy pick but it would further solidify the defense for the next decade with two potential "top-pairing" d pairs. Tryamkin, Liljegren, and Juolevi all have #1D as their ceiling and have really high floors as a #2D or #3D considering their skillsets. Tryamkin - Liljegren Juolevi - Gudbranson Hutton - Stecher Brisebois/McEneny - Subban Then draft forward-heavy the next few years. I thought I heard something about Hischier having work ethic issues and Liljegren not being able to defend at all whatsoever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted February 26, 2017 Share Posted February 26, 2017 26 minutes ago, LaBamba said: I thought I heard something about Hischier having work ethic issues and Liljegren not being able to defend at all whatsoever. I don't know about Liljegren, but I've only read/heard good things about Hischier's off ice preparations and his on ice efforts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I.Am.Ironman Posted February 26, 2017 Share Posted February 26, 2017 12 hours ago, Horvat is a Boss said: It's the 1st overall pick. It's not like it would be for a regular 1st. It's also for a potential franchise defenseman. Even if Boeser exceeds all expectations and becomes a franchise winger, I would still rather have the franchise defenseman. But are you really making your team better by trading a "franchise dman" (as much as one can be at 18) in Liljegren + another high first + Boeser (blue chip prospect) for another "franchise dman". The math simply doesn't add up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nowhereman Posted February 26, 2017 Share Posted February 26, 2017 (edited) 18 hours ago, smithers joe said: i remember the canadians had a choice between a big, high scoring center, (doug wickenhiser) and the small player, the fans all wanted, dennis savard. they took wick who never blossomed into the player, people thought he would. savard became a super star. you just never know. Hell, it just happened to us three years back. We went for the bruising power forward, passing on the smaller, skilled offensive catalysts. And now Toronto and Winnipeg have Nylander and Ehlers and we have Jake Virtanen... whose greatest career accomplishment is taking an Instagram photo with Justin Bieber. That said, Patrick is a stud. i'd take him over Hischier because of the intangibles he brings (toughness, two-way play, a winning pedigree, etc.) I could see him being a Toews/Getzlaf-like player in the future. Not Matthews/Laine level but nothing to sneeze at either. Edited February 26, 2017 by nowhereman 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noble 6 Posted February 26, 2017 Share Posted February 26, 2017 14 hours ago, Hutton Wink said: Plus two more first round picks. Three first rounders including two top-fives for "potential". That's what it would cost to move up to 1st overall next year. I'm not sure if it's worth it myself, I was just spitballing ideas. 14 hours ago, Warhippy said: And Liljegren who you're suggesting we draft and then trade is what after 1 whole season? Again, just spitballing ideas. I'm usually not for trading prospects, especially ones we've drafted recently, but Dahlin might be an cause an exception. He would be an upgrade over Liljegren. 3 hours ago, I.Am.Ironman said: But are you really making your team better by trading a "franchise dman" (as much as one can be at 18) in Liljegren + another high first + Boeser (blue chip prospect) for another "franchise dman". The math simply doesn't add up. The thing is, Liljegren probably won't be a franchise defenseman, so he is worth less than Dahlin, who probably will. If Liljegren was in the same tier as Dahlin, then it's a lateral move between those two with Boeser and a high 1st added on. Adding Liljegren to the deal would compensate whoever was picking 1st overall by giving them a defenseman with elite potential to somewhat replace a defenseman with franchise potential. The other pieces would balance out the value. I knew bringing up the possibility of trading Boeser would not go over well, but I'm not saying we should trade him for scraps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted February 26, 2017 Share Posted February 26, 2017 13 hours ago, flickyoursedin said: I've thought about the nightmare that is drafting for need because I felt like we did that when we drafted Juolevi over Tkachuk. Now that we have Juolevi and some other young guys turning it up like Stetcher, Tryamkin and Hutton I can see management being in the 5 spot and passing on Liljigren because we really need highly skilled forward prospects. If anything, drafting Tkachuck would have been 'drafting for need'. Drafting Juolevi was BPA and drafting for the future vs the present ('need'). If we do draft another D (as BPA), we can always trade an excess D for a forward later. And likely get far more value for them. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odd. Posted February 26, 2017 Share Posted February 26, 2017 (edited) As of right now, we're 28th in the league and if our recent slump continues, we could be in talks for Patrick/Hischier. If we end up with the 3rd overall pick or 4th, I would love us to draft Mittlestadt. Not quite sold on Vilardi being a 1st line center. And I think Mittlestadt > Liljegren Edited February 26, 2017 by Odd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post flickyoursedin Posted February 26, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted February 26, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, J.R. said: If anything, drafting Tkachuck would have been 'drafting for need'. Drafting Juolevi was BPA and drafting for the future vs the present ('need'). If we do draft another D (as BPA), we can always trade an excess D for a forward later. And likely get far more value for them. Can you find me any professional scouts mock draft that ranked Juolevi over Tkachuk. I just looked through 15 of them and not one had Juolevi ranked higher. At that time our need was a stud dman prospect and Jim Benning even said he'd be looking for a dman early. However now with Stetcher and Tryamkin showing a lot of promise our need now is for elite forwards. Edited February 26, 2017 by flickyoursedin 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted February 26, 2017 Share Posted February 26, 2017 (edited) 26 minutes ago, flickyoursedin said: Can you find me any professional scouts mock draft that ranked Juolevi over Tkachuk. I just looked through 15 of them and not one had Juolevi ranked higher. At that time our need was a stud dman prospect and Jim Benning even said he'd be looking for a dman early. However now with Stetcher and Tryamkin showing a lot of promise our need now is for elite forwards. This has already been covered ad nauseum on here. Past the top 3, the next 4 players were all basically ranked 'equal' and would go in the order determined by individual teams evaluation. Even if we already knew what we had in Try and Stecher, we still would have drafted OJ. Y'all can believe in whatever fairy tales help you sleep at night though... Edited February 26, 2017 by J.R. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
funkyfresh Posted February 26, 2017 Share Posted February 26, 2017 29 minutes ago, J.R. said: This has already been covered ad nauseum on here. Past the top 3, the next 4 players were all basically ranked 'equal' and would go in the order determined by individual teams evaluation. Even if we already knew what we had in Try and Stecher, we still would have drafted OJ. Y'all can believe in whatever fairy tales help you sleep at night though... I see that you're taking your own advice 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deus.ex.makina Posted February 27, 2017 Share Posted February 27, 2017 back to the Draft, i would be happy with RW Owen Tippett. i think even if we stay 3rd at the end of regular season, we automatically lose the seed to Vegas, enter 4th at lottery and as usual glide 5-7th. So Owen Tippett at 5-7th could be realistic, he s a pure scorer with speed and size. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canucks Curse Posted February 27, 2017 Share Posted February 27, 2017 16 hours ago, flickyoursedin said: Can you find me any professional scouts mock draft that ranked Juolevi over Tkachuk. I just looked through 15 of them and not one had Juolevi ranked higher. At that time our need was a stud dman prospect and Jim Benning even said he'd be looking for a dman early. However now with Stetcher and Tryamkin showing a lot of promise our need now is for elite forwards. That's why you always go BPA because your "needs" can change on a day to day basis 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MisterOriginality Posted February 27, 2017 Share Posted February 27, 2017 2 hours ago, deus.ex.makina said: back to the Draft, i would be happy with RW Owen Tippett. i think even if we stay 3rd at the end of regular season, we automatically lose the seed to Vegas, enter 4th at lottery and as usual glide 5-7th. So Owen Tippett at 5-7th could be realistic, he s a pure scorer with speed and size. I believe they said that the 28 worst team will have the exact same odds as Las Vegas. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted February 27, 2017 Share Posted February 27, 2017 1 hour ago, MisterOriginality said: I believe they said that the 28 worst team will have the exact same odds as Las Vegas. Hopefully they get our bad luck from last year... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CRAZY_4_NAZZY Posted February 27, 2017 Share Posted February 27, 2017 This is compensation for Torts firing and hiring Columbus have til June 1st to make up the decision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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